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WWW Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026
Wolverine Worldwide's Third Quarter Fiscal 2026 Earnings Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
- Christopher Hufnagel 27%
- Management 21%
- Taryn Miller 17%
- Analysts 12%
- Operator 3%
Management
Christopher Hufnagel
President and Chief Executive Officer
18 min
Taryn Miller
Chief Financial Officer
11 min
Analysts · 7
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Sam Poser
Analyst
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Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:00
- Operator
Greetings, and welcome to the Wolverine Worldwide Third Quarter Fiscal 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star and the number 1 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jared Filippone, Head of Investor Relations. You may now begin.
- Management
Good morning and welcome to our third. Quarter Fiscal 2026 Conference Call. On the call today are Chris Huffnagel, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Taryn Miller, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release announcing our financial results for the third quarter of 20. 26 and our updated outlook for fiscal year 2026. The press release in our third quarter investor presentation can be viewed on our investor relations website at investors.wolverineworldwide.com. This morning's press release, investor presentation, and comments made during today's earnings call include non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures, including constant currency revenue growth rates, and results excluding the benefit of IEPA tariff refunds are reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, or the information needed to reconcile them is provided in our press release, investor presentation, or remarks today. I'd also like to remind you that statements describing the company's expectations, plans, predictions, and projections, such as those regarding the company's outlook for the fourth quarter in fiscal year 2026, the benefit of IEPA tariff refunds, growth opportunities, and trends expected to affect the company's future performance made during today's conference call are forward-looking statements under U.S. securities laws. As a result, we must caution you that there are a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially.
- Management
from those described in the forward-looking statements. Additional information about these important risk factors is contained in the forward-looking statements sections of this morning's press release and investor presentation. The risk factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K. for Fiscal 2025 and our subsequent SEC filings and press releases. Forward-looking statements speak only as of today and we undertake no obligation to update them. All revenue growth rates will be cited on a constant currency basis unless otherwise stated. With that, I will now turn the call over to Chris Huffnagel.
- Christopher HufnagelPresident and Chief Executive Officer
Chris Huffnagel Thanks Jared.
Good morning everyone and thanks for joining us on today's call. In the third quarter results exceeded our expectations. Revenue grew to approximately 8%, our strongest quarter of growth this year, led by Saucony and Merrill, which were up 20% and 7% respectively. This growth, coupled with the healthier, more profitable business we've built. delivered adjusted earnings per share of $0.79, which includes a $0.31 benefit from IEPA tariff for funds received in the quarter. Excluding this benefit, adjusted earnings per share increased more than 30% compared to the prior year. Year-to-date, consolidated revenue is up 7%. And excluding the benefit of the refunds, gross margin is flat year-over-year, despite a meaningful tariff headwind. Adjusted operating margin has expanded 140 basis points, and adjusted earnings per share are 27%. Better than last year. As a result of a strong performance of the business, the company is generating solid cash flow and now possesses a healthy balance sheet. Further advancing our ability to drive greater shareholder return. Looking ahead, although pressure persists for consumers and the macroeconomic environment remains dynamic, we believe our brands are well positioned, aligned with long-term consumer macro trends. And focused on product categories that leverage our performance and innovation capabilities as a company. A result of the intentional strategic decisions made over the last several years. And importantly, our brand building model has proven to be effective.
Delivering eight consecutive quarters of top-line growth. Bolstered by our stronger position, established strategies, and disciplined execution, coupled with the performance of the business year to date, and our expectations for the closing weeks. We're raising our outlook for the year, which Sharon will review in detail in a few minutes. Before providing some color on our brand's performance in the third quarter, I want to take a step back to speak to our brand strategies and outline our building blocks for growth. Merrill, Saucony, Sweaty Betty, and Wolverine. We expect Merrill, a leader in performance footwear for the trail with significant runway in the broader outdoor lifestyle category, to continue to grow in alignment with our shareholder value creation model over time. The brand remains focused on modernizing the outside with faster, lighter, more versatile product for hiking and trail running. It also plans to scale its lifestyle business by leveraging its iconic performance franchises and materializations for everyone. Every day where continuing to elevate design and developing lifestyle distribution, including tier zero through tier two specialty retail. Finally, we believe Merrill's key city strategy is critical to cultivating broader global brand awareness and relevance through impactful. Activation of the brands. It starts outside platform. Saucony expected to remain our fastest growing brand is positioned at the intersection of what continues to be two of the fastest growing categories in footwear performance and lifestyle.
Running. Both of which were up double digits in the third quarter. To grow performance, the brand continues to prioritize innovation in its endorphin collection and capturing the broader commercial opportunity with its core four product franchises, the ride. Hurricane and triumph. We believe the brand has an opportunity to take, share and run specialty and it's underpenetrated in sporting goods. To expand its lifestyle business, Saucony plans to continue to thoughtfully deploy its deep product archive. Collaboration and capsule strategies. It also intends to heighten attention on women with classic trend rights silhouettes. Similar to Merrill, the brand's proven key city strategy expected to continue to underpin its key growth initiative. Building awareness, strengthening affinity, and generating brand heat in the global marketplace. Sweaty Betty and Wolverine, we believe, will also contribute to our consolidated growth over time. As they execute their new strategies rooted... ...in our repeatable brand building model. Sweaty Betty continues to elevate the brand through bold, differentiated positioning and a more diversified product offering powered by key icons. The brand remains focused on strengthening its core UK... ...directing consumer business and expanding global distribution throughout Europe with specialty and sporting goods retailers and in Asia-Pacific by partnering with our network of highly capable distributors. At the same time, Wolverine is making progress in executing its...
...strategy to build on its leadership in the work boot category by elevating its position with performance innovation and scaling Western, focused on more premium products and distribution, along with more focused demand creation efforts. Now, beforehand, I'll call over to Taryn. I'd like to briefly review our... Brand's progress in the third quarter, beginning with Merrill. Merrill again delivered good revenue growth, up 7%, its ninth consecutive quarter of growth. Encouragingly, the brand's DTC trend improved relative to the first half of the year. Posting a mid-single-digit revenue increase versus the prior year. Brand Health also remained positive, with strong affinity and double-digit increases in consumer search interest globally, fueled in part by the brand's outside-in-the-city activations in New York, London. Taipei, Montreal, Sydney, Santiago, and Mexico City. Merrill strengthened its leadership in outdoor performance, taking significant share in the U.S. hiking category, which itself grew again in the quarter. The brand's key product icons, the Moab & Moab speed, fueled the gains, and delivered meaningful growth. In trail running, Merrill celebrated a significant achievement in August with Merrill athlete Frederick Trishon wearing the Agility Peak 6, winning one of the premier events of the year, the OCC race at UTMB in Chamonix. placing Merrill at the top of the podium on one of the sport's biggest global stages. Looking ahead to next year, Merrill anticipates releasing the Moab Speed 3 in the first quarter, the latest version of one of its biggest franchises, to build on its momentum in the late hiking.
The brand plans to launch a new ADAPT series with fresh innovation for both serious and casual trail runners. In Lifestyle, its focus on elevating the product line and testing new distribution is starting to gain traction. Merrill also expects to deepen its cultural relevance by extending its key city strategy. expanding its outside-in-the-city activations through partnerships with Live Nation and the Sundance Film Festival. As Merrill continues to build on its leadership performance footwear and realize progress in the broader outdoor lifestyle category, we see meaningful opportunity for continued global growth. Going to Saucony. Saucony grew 20%. It's six quarter of double-digit growth in the last seven quarters. Like Merrill, Saucony saw an acceleration in DTC in the third quarter, driving a mid-teens revenue increase versus the prior year. In addition, brand momentum continued with strong consumer search interest. around the world, particularly in markets benefiting from the brand's key city strategy execution in London, Paris, and Berlin. Saucony expanded its performance business in the quarter through continued innovation and its endorphin collection and by broadening its reach with its core four product franchise. The endorphin Azura remains on pace this year to be the biggest franchise launch in the brand's history and the endorphin Speed 6, introduced just a few weeks ago, has immediately become a top seller on Saucony.com and is selling through well at retail.
While we did see some additional promotional activity in the broader U.S. market in the category, Saucony actually saw declined promotions year-over-year overall. During the quarter, the brand again sponsored the London Tenke and Shortage Half Marathon. Two key events that are part of its effective key city strategy execution in London. Saucony's lifestyle business continued strong growth in the quarter as well, with continuous increases behind the ProGrid Omni 9 and positive momentum for styles like the Guide. 7 and Ride 1. Sell-through rates improved versus the prior year in the U.S. and were strong in Europe. Collaborations in energy capsules aimed at thoughtfully stretching and entrenching the brain with key consumer segments continue to be a key element of Saucony's stress. In the last several months, the brand fueled credibility in culture and fashion via partnerships with Westside Gunn and Stan Birch, as well as engaged women with the Ebelin World collaboration. The brand also introduced a host of compelling capsules, including its Space Cowboy. Daikayama, and Gloa Constrictor collections. Across the board, these drops drove impressions, demand, and most importantly, cultural relevance and brand heat. Looking ahead, Saucon anticipates launching an all-new endorphin super shoe in 2020. That will be one of its most innovative products to date, the Zenith, in addition to new models across its endorphin collection in Corfor.
In Lifestyle, the brand plans to continue to leverage its deep product archive and fuel brand heat with strategic collaborations. The Lifestyle team is doing a great job of bolstering the brand's offerings across not only streetwear and retrocheck, but also fashion and classic silhouettes, cultivating greater relevance with women as well as men. In 2027, Sockney expects to expand a new brand. It's key city strategy around the world, including into the US and Asia Pacific. We expect Sockney to deliver another record top and bottom line year in 2026, following a record year last year. While I'm pleased with how far the brand has come in a few short years. I'm even more excited about where we can go from here. In closing with Sweaty Betty and Wolverine. Just as we've done with Maryland Sauncony, we remain focused on returning to sustainable quality growth for both Sweaty Betty and Wolverine. While we believe our strategy. We're solid and our execution is improving. As we shared previously, our results continue to be choppy and we don't expect our performance to be perfectly consistent in the near term. In the third quarter, Sweaty Betty's revenue declined 7%, partially due to the reset of the U.S. market initiated last year. Including the U.S., the brand was down 3% as a tougher U.K. women's activewear market weighed in e-commerce while our stores fared better, posting low single-digit growth in the quarter. Importantly, Sweaty Betty continued to strengthen the brand with its consumers, driving double-digit income.
increases in search interest and significant uplift in social sentiment in the U.K. Sweaty Betty remains focused on diversifying its business across several dimensions, including product categories, regions, and distribution channels. In the quarter, pants and shorts continue to grow, and while outerwear faced an unceasingly warm transition into fall, the Motion Jacket franchise grew materially, powered by the Born for the Storm campaign. The brand's priority for regional expansion, specifically Asia Pacific, more than quadrupled revenue in the quarter. albeit on a still small base, opening a new store in Shanghai with a couple more doors slated to open in China yet this year. The Wolverine brand, down 4% in the quarter, continues to work towards developing a cleaner, better segmented marketplace. and elevating the brand's positioning as a leader in work boots in the US to create a foundation for sustainable growth going forward. The brand has strengthened its product pipeline this year with new collections and better innovation to support this effort. This quarter, Wolverine launched The Reloader. expanding its loader collection and earlier this year introduced the Wheatland and Western, both at more premium price points. The brand gained meaningful market share in all price tiers above $100. Importantly, the brand has made considerable progress in cleaning up the marketplace, working through slower moving inventories and
increasing average selling prices, both improved by mid single digits year to date. Additionally, we've had significant reduction in planned promotional days in the marketplace for the first three quarters of the year. All of the above puts pressure on the short term results, but we believe our needed actions to run a better and more premium brand and return to consistent, sustainable growth. Looking ahead, Wolverine expects a stronger year of new product innovation in 2027, including the all new Raptor featuring tri grip technology in the first quarter and what we believe could be a game changing boot in the fourth quarter. The brand also plans to continue to improve its demand creation efforts, once again partnering with Paramount Plus' hit series Landman, sponsoring the Houston Rodeo, and amplifying its own project bootstrap platform by partnering with Meta's America Workforce Academy, a significant investment in training the skilled labor of tomorrow. With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Taryn to take you through our results for the quarter and our updated outlook for the year. Taryn?
- Taryn MillerChief Financial Officer
Thank you, Chris, and welcome, everyone. We delivered another strong quarter, exceeding our expectations for both revenue and profitability. Performance reflects continued execution of our strategy with revenue growth, discipline, cost management, and structural improvements we've made across the business contributing to adjusted operating margin expansion. We also continue to strengthen our balance sheet with net debt down 26% from a year ago. The combination of improved profitability and stronger balance sheet provides us with the financial flexibility to continue investing in our brands and long-term growth opportunities. Building on our strong year-to-date performance, we're raising our full year 2026 outlook. I'll now take you through the highlights from our third quarter. Revenue of $500. $5 million exceeded the high end of our outlook, driven primarily by better than expected performance in the active group, while the work group was slightly ahead of expectations. Reported revenue growth was 7.5. Compared to the prior year or 7.7% on a constant currency basis. The following channel segment and brand results are presented on a constant currency basis. Wholesale revenue increased 9%. Led by international markets and supported by growth in the U.S. DTC revenue increased 2% driven by the U.S. Active group revenue increased 10% with both Merrill and Saucony ahead of exit. Merrill revenue increased 7% with balanced growth across wholesale and DTC as well as the U.S. and international markets. Merrill continues to see strong sell through of its core franchise.
At retail with DTC performance benefiting from continued momentum in the Moab 3. Saucony revenue increased 20% with double digit growth in both wholesale and DTC and across performance and lifestyle. In performance run, the U.S. and EMEA drove growth across channels aided by the continued success of the Endorphin Azura, which became a top three style of global DTC. Lifestyle growth was led by EMEA wholesale and DTC as Socrates' key city strategy continues to fuel brand heat and strong sail through. Sweaty Betty revenue declined. Seven percent with the ongoing U.S. reset accounting for roughly half the decline and a more promotional women's activewear market weighing on UK DTC performance. At the same. We continue to diversify the brand sources of growth with international wholesale revenue up double digits and further expansion beyond core leggings into a broader assortment. Workgroup revenue increased one percent. Largely driven by U.S. wholesale and was slightly ahead of our expectations. Performance across the portfolio was mixed with growth in several brands more than offsetting a decline at Wolverine. While we've made progress. Wolverine's performance has been inconsistent and we recognize more work is needed to drive sustained improvement. We remain focused on Wolverine's core work offering, demand creation, and marketplace management to position the brand for sustained growth.
Consolidated gross margin was 54.6%, up 710 basis points from the prior year, including an approximate 640 basis point benefit from IEPA tariff refunds. Excluding the refund benefit, gross margin was 48.2%, up 70 basis points from the prior year, and 80 basis points above our expectations. Pricing and other tariff mitigation actions, a higher mix to full price sales, and supply chain efficiencies more than offset an approximate 170 basis point unmitigated tariff headwind and modest pressure from elevated oil prices on freight costs. Adjusted operating margin. was 17.8%, up 870 basis points from the prior year, including an approximate 640 basis point benefit from IEPA tariff refunds. Excluding the refund benefit, adjusted operating margin was 11.4%. Up 230 basis points in the prior year, and 100 basis points above our expectations. Driven by a stronger gross margin and continued operating leverage from revenue growth. As a result, adjusted diluted earnings per share with $0.79, including an approximate $0.31 benefit from AEPA tariff refunds and related interest. Excluding the refund benefit, adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.48 was up $0.30. 43% from last year and above our outlook of $0.42 to $0.45. Net debt was $399 million, down $143 million versus last year, bringing... our bank-defined leverage to 1.6 times. We ended the quarter with no borrowings outstanding on our revolver.
Turning to our outlook, building on our strong year-to-date performance, we are raising... ...our full-year 2026 outlook for revenue and profitability. We now expect revenue in the range of $2 to $2.01 billion, representing reported growth of approximately 7%. ...at the midpoint, compared to our prior outlook of $1.98 to $2 billion. Our updated outlook includes an estimated $15 million foreign currency benefit versus the prior year, compared to... ...$14 million dollar benefit in our prior outlook. On a constant currency basis and adjusted for the 53rd week in 2025, we now expect revenue growth of approximately 6.9% at the midpoint. The following segment in Brand Outlook is on a constant currency basis. We continue to expect active group revenue to grow high single digits and work group revenue to be approximately flat compared to 2025. At the brand level, we are maintaining our outlook for mid-teens growth at Saucony, mid-single-digit growth at Merrill, and a low single-digit decline at Sweaty Betty. We now expect Wolverine revenue to be... ...decline low single digits compared to our prior outlook of approximately flat, reflecting lower U.S. wholesale sell-in as the brand continues its marketplace reset. Turning to profitability. Our updated full-year outlook... reflects continued improvement in the business along with an approximate $35 million benefit from IEPA tariff refunds and related interest received to date. Our outlook does not assume any additional refunds.
Gross margin is now expected to be approximately 48.7% up 180 basis points from our prior outlook of approximately 46.9%. This includes an approximately 170 basis point benefit from IEPA tariff refunds. Adjusted operating margin is now expected to be approximately 11.8% up 190 basis points from our prior outlook of a approximately 9.9%. This includes an approximate 170 basis benefit from tariff refunds. Interest and other expenses projected to be approximately 23 million dollars unchanged. from our prior outlook. The effective tax rate is now projected to be approximately 19% compared to our prior outlook of approximately 18% largely due to the tax impact of the IEPA tariff refunds. As a result. Adjusted diluted earnings per share is now expected to be in the range of $1.95 to $1.99, including an approximate $0.32 benefit from tariff refunds and related interest compared to our prior outlook of $1.99. $1.55 to $1.65. Free cash flow is now expected to be in the range of $155 million to $170 million, up from our prior outlook of $115 million to $130 million. The increase reflects the tariff refunds and related interest received to date, as well as lower capital expenditures, now expected to be approximately $15 million compared to our prior outlook of $170 million. of approximately $20 million. Moving to our fourth quarter outlook, revenue is expected to be in the range of $531 million to $541 million, up approximately 3.5% at the midpoint on a reported basis.
compared to the prior year. On a constant currency basis, revenue is expected to increase 4% at the midpoint, with active group expected to increase mid-single digits, and work group expected to be approximately flat. Excluding the impact of the 53rd week. Last year, constant currency revenue growth is expected to be approximately 6.6% at the midpoint. Gross margin is expected to be approximately 46.3%, down 70 basis points compared to last year. Including an approximate 20 basis point benefit from IEPA tariff refunds. The year-over-year decline primarily reflects a difficult comparison to last year's fourth quarter, when tariff mitigation actions more than offset incremental tariff costs. We also expect modestly higher tariff and freight costs this year. Adjusted operating margin is expected to be approximately 11.6%, up 60 basis points compared to the year-over-year decline. To last year, as continued operating leverage and an approximate 20 basis point benefit from IEPA tariff refunds more than offset the gross margin headwinds. As a result, adjusted diluted earnings per share is expected. to be in the range of $0.52 to $0.56 compared to $0.45 last year and includes an approximate $0.01 benefit from tariff-free funds. To summarize, our third quarter results and raised outlook reflect the continued progress we're making in executing our strategy. We're growing revenue, expanding profitability, and strengthening our balance sheet,
providing greater flexibility to invest in our brand. and long-term growth opportunities while there's more work to do we're encouraged by the strength of our performance and remain focused on delivering sustained profitable growth and creating long-term value for our shareholders with that let me. I'll turn the call back to Chris before we open for questions.
- Christopher HufnagelPresident and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks Taryn.
Our team continues to execute with pace and distinction leading to another quarter of better than anticipated results and the confidence to once again raise our outlook for the year. We need to be encouraged by our transformation. Our brands are well positioned in the global marketplace and our strategies are focused with clear building blocks for future growth. Our business is growing, profitable, and generating cash. Our balance sheet is healthy. And our team is motivated, talented, and intently focused on building great products, telling amazing stories, and driving the business. All in the relentless pursuit to make every day better. As I said before, I believe the most important chapter is the next one. I'm looking forward to
- Q&A26:22
- Christopher HufnagelPresident and Chief Executive Officer
closing this year strong and continuing to build better brands and a better company in the year ahead. With that, thank you for taking the time to be with us this morning, and we're happy to take your questions. Operator? We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up, and rejoin the queue if you have further questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by or we compile the Q&A.
- Operator
Your first question is from the line of Dana Telsey with Telsey Group. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
We can't hear Dana. Next question is from the line of Ashley Owens with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Question · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Ashley OwensAnalyst · KeyBanc Capital MarketsHey, great.
Thanks and good morning and congrats on the results. Maybe just to start, I guess, more broadly on stocking in performance running, kind of looking out into next year. We've obviously heard broadly that there's a lot of innovation coming into the category and it's, you know, as you've had. Talk with some of the run specialty accounts, especially as you kind of look to expand on the endorphin and obviously core four. I would just be curious, is it harder to win incremental shelf space just given that this category is growing and then based on. The forward order book, are you seeing softening earn more space with retailers or is that growth still primarily coming from bread or productivity within the existing footprint.
Thanks for the question it is. It is a great and growing category with a lot of great competitors. I think innovation that category will always win, and I'm really pleased with the progress Saucony has made over the last handful of years, really working on the innovation pipeline and really focusing on. On the core assortment, a typical product like the endorphin, and then obviously down to the core four. I actually got a chance to tour and run specialty stores this past quarter talking to the managers about the store and talking to consumers about what they're looking for. Saucony brings something really special. An authentic heritage brand that has a very fervent following and a unique proposition. I think the innovation this year has been very good, really led by the Yuzura, which we anticipate to be the biggest launch in the brand's history. I think I'm even more excited about the product pipeline for next year. New styles in the endorphin, the endorphin zenith, which we think will be a game changing shoe for us, and then updated styles to the core four. So I think in is a key part of that, staying close to the consumer, paying attention to the competition, and then really working to activate a ground game to make sure that we're well represented in that channel. But the team has done a great job on the product front, and we continue to work hard with our special retail partners to make sure that Saucony shows up great day in and day out.
Okay, great. Thanks for that. Just maybe to follow up for me to stick on Saucony really quickly, but you mentioned that you're going to be expanding that key city strategy into the U.S. next year. I would just be curious as to what you think philosophically that looks like relative to what you've done in London and Paris. And if there are particular markets in the U.S. where you think the brand is under penetrated relative to awareness that you could know. Pun intended, I guess, hit the ground running on. And then just to maybe on the growth margin guide here for the fourth quarter, you know, Taryn, you called out that the underlying performance is quite a bit better than you expected in the third quarter. Are you carrying that better full? Price and supply chain performance into 4Q with the year over year decline just really being driven by tariffs or freight. Just help us unpack that a little bit more. Thanks. Great.
- Management
Thanks, Ashley.
- Management
I'll cover the first one and I'll let Taryn cover the gross margin. Yeah, our key city strategy across the enterprise has been really successful and really pleased with the results and pleased to expand that. It really began in London with Saucony and we can see that the bear the fruits of those investments. And it's a combination of investing and then also really working to activate on the ground. I was in London just a week ago and you know, and Saucony shows up much differently in London state than we did. Just a couple of years ago and we're taking the learnings from what we've done overseas and bringing that to the US. So it's a combination of event sponsorships, the combination of enhanced marketing. It's working closely with our wholesale partners to make sure we show up great. And then honestly it it's really activating on the ground and really getting after just the cultural moment that Saucony is having. So we've been very pleased by the results. And we're looking forward to expand that strategy for both Saucony and other brands moving forward. And Ashley to your question on gross margins. As you commented about Q3 and the year-to-date performance, this improvement really highlights the structural progress we have made across the business, driven by product cost savings, healthier inventories, and we have the healthier inventory. And more brandy that leads to more full price sales, while we're also been mitigating the higher tariffs. The year-over-year pressure in the fourth quarter is largely a comparison issue. And that is, if you'll recall last year, we moved.
- Management
We moved quickly in June of 25 to address the higher tariffs. And by the fourth quarter, those mitigation actions were temporarily outpacing the incremental tariff benefit. And that created, last year, we noted in the fourth quarter. That we had approximately 80 basis point benefit of the net tariff impact that we're now lapping. All right. Understood.
- Management
Thank you so much and best of luck for the holiday.
- Management
Thanks, Ashley.
- Operator
Your next question is from the line of Tom Nickick with Needham. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Question · Needham & Company
Tom NickickAnalyst · Needham & CompanyHey, good morning.
Thanks for my question.
Realizing you're not really giving guidance for 2027, but as we look out to next year, is there any way we should think about freight costs or product costs or anything like that that might affect the margin?
- Management
Thanks, Tom.
- Management
As we look ahead into next year, we're focused on building on the momentum that we have this year while we're navigating the evolving external environment, particularly as it relates to consumer demand, tariffs, oil prices as you called out, as well as foreign exchange. I think we have demonstrated that our ability to navigate those challenges and mitigate the higher costs through strategic pricing, sourcing actions. Operational improvements and we'll continue to leverage those as we move into 26 with the focus on maintaining our competitors in the marketplace and driving growth. I think you know that your specific question on oil prices. It was a modest headwind in from higher oil prices in 26 primarily through freight costs. If oil prices remain elevated and we have seen movement in that we'd expect continued pressure on the freight and and. Monitoring the impacts that that might have more broadly, but that would be more of a second half in total. Like I said, I think I've been very pleased with how the team has navigated continuing to grow gross margins in the. Case of higher costs and that's where we would remain focused on doing this too soon to talk about any details on 27 we'll have more to talk about that in February understood if I could follow up on Saucony. Obviously the lot of brand momentum there you know we just love to hear you know what the conversations with the hotel partners have been like you know I mean talking to prepare remarks about opportunities to gain shelf space and gain market share. Obviously it's a very.
- Management
You know dynamic market and very promotional but you know are the despite you know maybe what some other brands are going through. Are you seeing encouraging signals from the hotel partners and you know do you know what's your level of. confidence and the ability to gain shelf space over the next couple of years. And great thanks thanks for the question. I had the privilege this quarter to travel the US and visit wholesale partners for Saucony also I spent a week in London and then a week in China. So I got a good view of our brand across all three regions and certainly you know the the environment there's been a lot to talk about the environment in general the promotional nature specific in the US. Saucony was actually less promotional than the market in the third quarter. And I think that that speaks to brand strength. It speaks to how we've worked to manage the channel. And we're encouraged by that. I think they continue to talk about and I think this is true, you know, in any promotional environment, innovation continues to win. So we have to keep bringing newness and freshness and bring products that help help our consumers make their lives better, obviously remains a competitive market. But I think the work we've done over the past handful of years to really raise the brand, make it more premium work to bring innovation, and then work to make sure that we're elevating the voice and having Saucony part of the cultural conversation has been important. So people remain optimistic about the brand in a competitive set. Obviously, it's a shopping environment, but I'm pleased with the brand sits and I'm pleased
- Management
with the visibility we have both as we finish the year and as we look into next year. Very helpful.
- Management
Thanks so much.
- Management
And that's a lot to see you.
- Management
Thanks, Tom.
- Operator
Your next question.
is from the line of Dana Telsey with Telsey Group. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Hi.
Good morning, everyone, and congratulations on the progress and the results. As you think about the brands, whether it's soft... whether it's Merrill, the momentum that you've been having, how do you think of the outlook for next year and go forward, whether it's on product, whether it's on pricing, distribution, and maintaining the ability... to continue to grow DTC and wholesale? What do you see as the drivers? Is it category extension or new product innovation within existing categories? Thank you. Great. Great question, Dana. And I think honestly, for those two brands, I think it's a little bit of both. I think the product pipelines for Maryland Saucony look very good. I talked a little bit about what's coming new in the endorphin, the updates to the core four. Merrill's going to launch. The Moab Speed 3 on the first quarter of next year, which is which has become one of the biggest franchises in Merrill's portfolio and and the early feedback on how that looks and performs has been has been phenomenal Moab. I think Moab continues to grow, especially with her. At the same time, I think both brands have ability to move in, move into new product categories and drive growth as well, along with new distribution, whether it's opening up sporting goods in a meaningful way in Saucony, whether it's opening. Doors with Merrill. So I remain optimistic about all of those things. And it's really born by the momentum that we've been able to generate consecutive quarters of growth in Merrill that we anticipate this year to be an all time record year for Saucony, both brands either holding or gaining share in.
very competitive markets and that's just a U.S. look. I was in London last week and was really encouraged by how both brands showed up at retail there and then we've already talked about our partner in China and the growth we've seen there so it is certainly a choppy market. It's certainly dynamic every day that there seems to be a curveball but the work we've done over the past handful of years to really build new strategies and really focus on a product line and invest back in these brands specifically from a demand creation standpoint or whether it's key cities or new tools and capabilities. I remain optimistic for for their long term prospects. Thank you.
Thanks, Dana.
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Your next question is from the line of Lauren Vassilou with BNB Paribus. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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BLauren VassilouAnalyst · BNB ParibusOh, good morning.
Thanks for taking my question.
I'm so sorry. Chris, can you hear me? Can you hear me by chance? You can. Good to hear you, Laurent. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Someone's dogs are barking in the background, so I apologize about that. I wanted to ask about Saucony DTC. I think you called out. That it's growing double. It grew double digits this quarter, and I think you said at the same time that there's a pullback in oceans. So I'm curious to know what's driving the DTC growth if you saw that both in the U.S. and international, and if that can. teams into the fourth quarter in the coming quarters. And if that's the case, what's what's driving that the underlying growth in DTC?
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Yeah, it's a Saucony.com grew mid teens in the quarter. And I think it's combination of AAS working to create better experiences for our consumers on our sites. And then obviously the product and bringing new innovation, more capsule collections, fresh drops. I think our messaging is better. I think all those things are leading to growth. So it's actually the best quarter of dotcom growth for Saucon a year to date, which we're encouraged by. So DTC is an important part of the Wolverine worldwide growth story. We're seeing sequential improvement quarter after quarter. We've talked a lot about the recent that we've worked to do there both and how we chose to invest marketing dollars. At the same time, the work we've done on becoming less promotional. And I think those things are beginning beginning to bear some fruit. So DTC is important to us at the same time, we want to work to grow both holes. and our own channels. I think we have to take a view of where the consumer chooses to shop and how do we show up best for her across all those channels. But DTC is an important effort, pleased by the progress we made in Saucony in the quarter and obviously working hard to deliver a very. strong fourth quarter, and what's the most important DTC quarter we have. Very helpful point out that we did have the 53rd week last year that was was primarily DTC, so that will be. a headwind for DTC, but in total, very pleased with momentum we're seeing there.
Yeah, thanks for the reminder on that, and then you have a very helpful slide called shareholder value creation model. I think, you know, I think this quarter it was reiterated, you know, mid to high single digit. Really on the margin from which I think you've been asked different ways here. But you know, the fact that you are guiding, it still says long term 4547. If I take out the IEPA benefit, you're kind of at the upper end of the range for fiscal year 27. 26, excuse me. So I mean, is this an indication, the fact that it was not updated, that we should think about potentially gross margins being under pressure for 2027. And on the flip side, it's still says operating margins will be up mid-teens versus, you know, ex-IEFA, I think this year it's around 10%. So if you could help us square away this slide as we think about relative to 2026.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, thanks for the question. As you point out on the gross margins on our full year guide, we're encouraged by the progress we've made in gross margins. And in fact, when you look at our updated outlook of the 48.7, including the 170 basis point benefit from the IEP tariff refunds, that puts us at 47 at the high end of our guide. Given that performance, I think it's a reasonable question to ask whether our long-term gross margins should move higher. I'd say while we're pleased with the progress, I think it's premature to make that determination. And you talked about tariffs, freight, higher oil. That said, I think where we are at the high end of the guide is structural improvement. So it's not a one-time benefit in there at that 47%. And that gives us the confidence in those underlying drivers being at the high end and the comp. confidence of our team and our ability to navigate the headwinds that we have to continue to create gross margin. I think as we look ahead, we're certainly not satisfied and our objective is to continue to mitigate any. dynamics as well as continue to improve the gross margin position. On operating margin, what you'd also know in addition to the gross margin being at the high end of the guide and the confidence of the structural. improvements we've made there. On the operating margin, we're continuing to see leverage in the SG&A and continuing into the fourth quarter as well. So I think that the improvements of being able to continue to grow the top line.
Speaking of a lot of things Chris has been sitting on the call in terms of the top line momentum, as well as that continued strength in gross margin. Combination of further improvements there as well as getting leverage in SG&A. puts us on that path to the mid team aspiration. Wonderful.
Thank you very much and best of luck with the rest of the quarter. Thanks a lot.
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Your next question is from the line of Peter McGoldrick with Stifle. Your line is now.
Open. Please go ahead.
Question · Stifel
Peter McGoldrickAnalyst · StifelHey, guys.
Thanks for taking my questions.
I wanted to follow up on DTC. So it's encouraging to see the sequential improvement in the biggest brand. But that's still lagging the consolidated growth. So I was curious if you could help us think about squaring the sell through at the point of sale in the wholesale footprint relative to the DTC trends. And then just like what we're seeing in the trends of traffic and conversion of full price sales. Yeah, sure. We are encouraged by the trend we're seeing in DTC, yet still acknowledge that we believe that we can and should be better. We talked a little bit about some of the DTC work that we've done. I think I'd step all the way back to, I think historically we haven't invested enough as an organization, Upper Funnel Marketing. And we made a very hard pivot over the last handful of years to really work hard at Upper Funnel. Whether it's key city strategy or other tactics. And I think those things are working for us, which is proving out by the numbers that we're posting. At the same time, when you make that structural shift in marketing dollars, it does put pressure on the dot-com business. Money out of lower funnel conversion activities. At the same time, we're working to become less promotional as an organization and then try to run more premium, more full price businesses. And in general, those metrics are all moving in the right direction for us across our dot-com platform. And then last, I think.
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We'll continue to work to invest in our dot-com platforms. We've talked a little bit about tools and modernization, and we're beginning to do that work. We'll begin to bring more brands online next year, which we think will provide a benefit as we provide the consumer a better, seamless, more frictionless. And just build a better tool for us to use on the back end. So that's where we sit with DTC, but certainly encouraged by the progress in the quarter that we're seeing. But again, you know, like I said earlier, you know, we really want to show up as great brands across wherever the consumers choose to engage us, whether it's our own stores, whether it's our dot com business, or whether it's in one of our many wholesale partners, we want to show up great across all of those places. And I think we're doing a better job as an organization today than we were before. Appreciate that. And then I guess following up on that, just the becoming bigger brands and telling your story in a more meaningful way, that's not lost on the wholesale ecosystem. So can you help us think about as we turn the calendar into 2027, the appetite for the Saucony and Merrill brands and what wholesale opportunity might look like as we think about door expansion? Shelf space within doors where those brands already exist? Yeah, great question. We've worked really hard to become better strategic partners to our to our key wholesale accounts and that starts all the way from top to top discussions all the way down towards.
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sales teams and winning the war on the floor each and every day. So we've worked hard on that, working to invest with them, working to earn a place on their shelf or on their table where we can sit next to the competition. I think we have made progress. There across our most important wholesale accounts. We think we have to bring great differentiated segmented product to them that that solves their consumers problems and provide innovation and sit well against the competition. We think we have to tell great stories. We have to look great in their stores and we have to. We do a great job building our brand outside of their walls. And then we have to be really strong brand managers. How do we manage price? How do we manage inventory? How do we think about segmentation and distribution? And I think we I think as an organization, those muscles are getting stronger. And I think we're beginning to see that in the results. So. We're very thankful for the wholesale partners for what they do and how we work with them, and we'll look forward to growing with them as we move forward. Excellent. Thank you.
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It's from the line of Mauricio Serna with UBS. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Great.
Good morning.
Thanks for taking my questions.
I wanted to start with Meryl. You talked about leveraging lifestyle. Elaborate a little bit more on how that initiative is going. I also noticed that you talked about a tier zero, tier one strategy. Any way that you could elaborate if that implies a certain amount of incremental doors over time. Thank you. Yeah, great question, Maurice. So we're really pleased with the progress Meryl has made on the trail. We've got just gaining share quarter after quarter in the cab. And we're pleased with the progress and the innovation we brought around the Moab and the Moab speed and the speed strike and also the work we've done in trail. At the same time, we believe there is a broader outdoor lifestyle opportunity for us, both both and both in the products we build and the distribution that we. show up in and we've really seen some really good green shoots as we both introduce new styles like the wrapped at the same time taking existing platforms and doing new materializations with them and then also really bringing heat from from collaboration. and partnerships you know this last quarter we just had the Harris Tweed drop which you know it sort of blew up on the internet taking some classic styles the chameleon the jungle mock and just bringing a great material and a great story and we're seeing. good progress there so it's a combination of both new styles and outdoor into outdoor lifestyle at the same time taking a moab or moab speed and just coloring it differently specifically for her and one of the biggest upticks we've seen recently has been.
the classic moab with her um that's that has been a big effort for us to try to win with her and when we do those things well we can open up new distribution where you don't don't normally find us and you're seeing us in tier zero through tier two specialty accounts in places where you not historically have seen meryl so. i'm pleased by the progress um it did take a lot of work um obviously a new approach from the product team um obviously a lot of work from our marketing team and then i think our sales team has taken a really fresh approach to distribution and really worked hard to earn that shelf space but certainly pleased with the progress Meryl has just consistently delivered quarter after quarter for us uh at the same time we remain very optimistic about the broader outdoor lifestyle opportunity for the brand specifically for her on uh and and just quick uh follow-up on gross margin could you talk about gross margin trends across the key brands just particularly interested in Saucony you know given how we continue to hear it's been a very elevated promotional environment yeah I think uh Mauricio on as it relates to uh the brands we don't typically give the brand margins but what I would say is when you look at um the the brand performance and which you can note in our queues in terms of active group we're seeing improvements across the brands in terms of gross margin improvement so that's why I said when I commented about being structural improvements it's that
combination of there may not be it we're looking at supply chain whether that be working with our partners whether that be looking at a design for our consumer whether that be looking at some of our transportation costs as well as in the more full price sales all the things that Chris has been talking about in terms of marketing activations key city accelerations innovation all of those are giving the brand heat that leads to more full price sales and more full price sales certainly a component is promotions but another component is less end of life you know as we've been able to more effectively manage inventory as we've been able to get the brand heat we also have less of end of life or closeout so all of those together in any one quarter do you have all of them moving perhaps not but over time we're seeing multiple levers and that gives us the confidence that we're maintaining that structural improvement in the gross margin and each brand is doing that. Very helpful thank you so much.
Thanks Mauricio.
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Your next question is from the line of Sam Poser.
with Williams Trading. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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?Sam PoserAnalystThank you.
Good morning everybody.
Thank you for taking my questions. I have a handful about work and about Salk and the Amero. Can you break out sort of the whole. The increases for wholesale and DTC. For Saucony and Merrill. Both in the US and in the international markets. So we can sort of triangulate the numbers.
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What exactly are you looking for, Sam? There's a lot there. Well, I'd like to know, like, so for instance, for total Saucony, what would how much did wholesale increase? How much did DTC increase? And then how what that was both in the international and the U.S. market and the same thing for Merrill? Yeah, for a whole for Saucony, what we had shared was that both wholesale on DTC were up double digits. So, you know, growth across wholesale and DTC. And then in the and then how did that differ both in the international markets versus the U.S.? International was stronger than the U.S.? For both? For both what? The international increased more but but for DTC and for wholesale? Or you said that DTC for Saucony grew because of the U.S. growth. So I'm just trying to. More wholesale. More wholesale. So broadly speaking, Sam, for Saucony, we saw strong growth in both. Wholesale and DTC. From a regional perspective on wholesale, international was stronger than the U.S. and DTC, we saw good growth in both. And for Meryl, the same question. Meryl, we saw balanced growth. It was balanced, wholesale, DTC, international, U.S. Okay. Two more things. With the work brands, other than Wolverine, the increase that happened there, can you talk a little bit about those other brands and where that growth occurred? For the workgroup, in total, the better... ...performing brands were high-tested in base. So that, and so that's, is that more military and, like, law enforcement related? It's a little bit of work.
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A little bit of tactical. Okay. And then lastly, on Saucony, you had mentioned, I believe on the last call, that you were working on something with Sweaty Betty, like some kind of for spring 20s. Can you give us an update on that, please? Yeah, we're still planning a special apparel capsule drop in partnership with Sweaty Betty in the first half of 27. No change. No change. And will that be mostly direct or will you share that with wholesale accounts as well? Mostly direct to start. It'll be Saucony branded product in partnership developed with the Sweaty Betty team.
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Your next question is from the line of Mitch Comets with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
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Mitch CometsAnalyst · Seaport Research PartnersYes.
Thanks for taking my questions. Chris, I was hoping we could unpack Saucony's lifestyle a bit. You guys said it was up double digits in the quarter. Can you maybe break that out, U.S. versus international, also in the U.S.? Mistaken door count, I believe, was down year-over-year for fall. So could you maybe talk about, you know, sell-through within U.S. lifestyle? And then I guess it would be lastly on lifestyle. Can we talk a little bit about the demand that you're seeing kind of retro? Tech versus maybe classics. And then I also have a follow. Sure. I'll see if I can remember all those. Saucony lifestyle was stronger international than the U.S., which we expected. Door count second half. Of twenty six was flat with first half of twenty six. We are gaining share in classic run. And we do have we do. We do believe we've got cleaner inventories than we did previously. So I think all the work that we did around. Over the past year, I think that those things are gaining traction, but certainly please overall with the lifestyle business. Obviously have learned a lot in that business and encouraged by where we can go from here and then I just. I wanted to reconcile the sales guide because the range is up 10 million, but then when you kind of look at your breakout by brands, the Wolverine pieces is down a little bit from what it was. So something obviously. went up or more than one thing went up. And I don't know if they'd be like, even though Sockany remains mid-teens, obviously mid-teens is a range. I don't know. Is there something that you're feeling better about now, brand specific?
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in order to kind of explain why the sales guide went up when the Wolverine piece went down? Yeah, the raise reflects the third quarter performance out of out performance and continued strength in the largest brands, particularly Saucony. To your point, there's a there's a range within mid teens and and to your point of comparing Wolverine and Saucony. Saucony being a larger brand and the strength that we're seeing there within their range. And so it's really the combination of the third quarter out performance in our largest brands, particularly Saucony and. To that point of the increase going beyond the third quarter to reflect the balance of the year upbeat as well. Got it. All right. Thank you.
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Your next question is from the line of.
Anna and Draver with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Great.
Thank you so much for taking our question and nice results. Congrats, guys. We wanted to follow up on Meryl. And you said ahead of your guide, but did moderate slightly sequentially. I think you mentioned strength in DTC. So were there any timing shifts in wholesale that we should be aware of? Any color on how sell-through performs? Either in the U.S. or internationally? And Chris, I'm not sure if you mentioned with the hike category, what are you seeing there, either in the U.S. or globally?
Thanks, Anna.
I appreciate the question. Really pleased with Merrill's performance in the quarter. In the year to date, nothing extraordinary report other than just a good, consistent business that we built there. The hike category grew in the U.S. again, a low single digits, which are encouraged by. And Merrill's rate of gaining share actually accelerated in the. quarter from from from from the from the trailing 12 12 month trend. So self use continue to be good. Our core styles continue to be good. We've got three of the top ten styles in the U.S. today and and inventories are healthy in the channel and we're encouraged by by a healthy hike category in general. Pleased with the way the team are executing. Pleased that we've seen an improved trend in our own direct-to-consumer business at Merrill.com which has taken a lot of work but remain optimistic about Merrill's prospects both as we close the year and certainly as we move into next year. No, that sounds great. I guess looking at 4Q, the guidance for mid-singles does imply some moderation or the guidance for the year, a moderation in 4Q. Is that conservatism from you guys? Or are you seeing anything a quarter to date? There's three things I'll give you on the Merrill 4Q outlook. A, there's some timing shipments between international, going from 4Q into 1Q, which is just a normal. Normal part of our business. So that's impacting it a little bit. We are transitioning, which I mentioned earlier, from the Moab Speed to the Moab Speed 3. So we're selling down the Speed 2 as wholesale partners plan to pick up the Moab Speed 3. We're also looking at the Moab Speed 3.
that lapping of 53rd week. So Meryl is essentially largely on the way we forecast and expected it to play out. And we're right on pace with what we expected to happen. That's super helpful. I appreciate it. Chris, did you quantify the shipments from 4Q into 1Q? No, we did. We didn't put a number to it. Okay. And just the last one, if I may, just on Wolverine, what are you seeing with the boot trend at the brand? Is the moderation you saw more? A result of some of the internal execution, or are you seeing external trend shifting away from boots? No, I think that the work category is generally healthy. It was down a little bit last quarter. But it's been up a little bit, the trailing 12 months. So the category is fine. I think we have the opportunity to really reset the Wolverine brand. And really, it's a privilege to be able to go do that work because we've got several growth engineers. And I think I'm encouraged by the steps that the team is taking in Wolverine brand. And it's everything from top to bottom. It's bringing new innovation to the product line. And I'm excited by some of the things that we're going to bring to market in 27. is cleaning up the marketplace and being more thoughtful in who we sell into, how we segment, how we distribute, what prices we're attacking. And then importantly, it's making sure we've got the right products in the right categories, whether it's Western or wedges. And then importantly for us, I think, you know,
really focused marketing investments, really work on that brand awareness and affinity, and then really activating the ground game. So I'm pleased with the team and the strategy we're working on. Obviously, we all want it to move faster, but I do think we're doing the right thing to reset that business and build a build a platform for long term sustainable growth. Awesome.
Thank you so much.
And best of luck.
Thanks, Anna.
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Your next question is from the
line of Jonathan Komp with Baird. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi.
Good morning.
Thank you. I guess, Chris, just to follow up as you sit here today, considering the environment, but also the pipeline that you have. Is there anything that gives you a pause for the active group specifically about sustaining a high single-digit type growth rate into 2027 here?
I'm really pleased by where both brands sit and the progress we've made across both brands. And it's not one category. It's not one channel. It's not one region. You know, I'm pleased with the progress. I think the pipelines for both brands look very good going into 2027. I'm encouraged that we're either gaining or holding share in competitive markets. Both categories are healthy. Hike is healthy again. Run, obviously, is one of the healthiest categories that we operate in. And I'm really pleased by the progress we've made around the world. Like I said, I. I've been able to travel quite a bit this quarter, but our brands are showing up much, much better today than they were just a couple of years ago. And our partners are enthused by the progress that we've made. I've got full leadership teams in both moving at pace. And I think we're taking some momentum we built. into 2027. So it is a dynamic environment, no doubt. We've got some great competitors each and every day. And certainly there's pressure on the consumer. But you know, sort of where we sit and what we see, we remain optimistic for the outlook for both brands. That's great. And then Chris or Taryn, just to follow up on capital allocation, you delivered the balance sheet. You raised the free cash flow guide today for this year. Yet you haven't repurchased any stock at this point for 2020. Share any more thoughts just behind capital allocation, either your thoughts or perspective from the board. Thank you.
Yeah, thanks for the question, John. Our capital allocation priorities remain consistent first and foremost, we're focused on investing in our brands, as well as the key capabilities to support the sustained growth. You know, I mentioned earlier about the question on operating margin in that path, the progress that we have made there with the structural improvements and navigating headwinds. That leverage has come while we've continued to invest in marketing and in key capabilities in the brand. So first and foremost, investing in brands, key capabilities to support the sustained growth. We're also committed to maintaining a strong balance sheet. Returning cash to shareholders through the dividends. With the progress we've made in reducing our debt and strengthening our balance sheet, we do have greater flexibility to consider additional opportunities to return capital to our shareholders. Including share repurchases. So we'll continue to evaluate those opportunities with our board through the lens of a shareholder value creation and relative returns while maintaining that financial flexibility so we can continue to invest for sustained growth.
That's great. Thank you.
Thanks John.
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