VECO earnings / call
VECO earnings call transcript, November 4, 2026
Veeco Q3 Earnings Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
- Management 43%
- William Miller 31%
- John Kiernan 15%
- Analysts 9%
- Operator 2%
Management
William Miller
Chief Executive Officer
13 min
John Kiernan
Svp & Chief Financial Officer
7 min
Analysts · 3
<1 min
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David Dooley
Steelhead
2 min
2 min
Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks1:17
Greetings, and welcome to the VECO Third Quarter 2026 earnings call. At this time,
- Operator
all participants are in listen-only mode, and following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. It is now my pleasure to introduce... your host, Alex Delacroix, Head of Investor Relations.
- Management
Thank you, we may begin.
- Management
Thank you, and good afternoon everyone. Joining me on the call today are Bill Miller, VECO's Chief Executive Officer. and John Kiernan, our Chief Financial Officer. The earnings release and slide presentation to accompany today's webcast is available on the VECO website. To the extent that this call discusses expectations for future revenue. Future earnings, the timing and expected benefits of the proposed transaction with Excellus, market conditions, or otherwise make statements about the future. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations. and are subject to the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made. These risks are discussed in detail in our Form 10 annual report and other SEC filings. VECO does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements, including those made on this call to reflect future events or circumstances after the date of such statements.
- Management
We will address certain non-GAAP financial results. We encourage you to refer to our reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results, which you can find in our press release and at the end of the earnings presentation. Please note that we will not be addressing questions related to our pending merger with Excellus. We urge you to... the joint proxy statement relating to the transaction with Excellus. With that, I would now like to hand the call over to our CEO, Bill Miller.
- William MillerChief Executive Officer
Thank you, Alex, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Across the semiconductor... In the industry, AI infrastructure investment is driving a broad wave of technology transitions, including more advanced logic and memory architectures, greater packaging complexity, and increasing requirements for high-speed... These trends are creating significant tailwinds across our differentiated portfolio of ion-beam deposition, annealing, advanced packaging, and epitaxy technologies. With strong customer engagement and increasing orders, we believe these opportunities position us for sustainable long-term growth and provide a clear path to exceed $1 billion in revenue for the full year 2027. Four key takeaways from the third quarter are, first, we delivered solid financial results in the third quarter. Revenue was $209 million within our guidance range. Non-GAAP operating income was $25. million, and non-GAAP diluted earnings per share was $0.36. Second, we continue to experience significant order wins in front-end semiconductor, advanced packaging, and silicon footprint. Our recent wins continue to strengthen our backlog and reinforce our confidence in our revenue growth. Third, we continue to advance our market-leading ion beam deposition technology. Which spans our major business areas of semiconductor, silicon photonics, and data storage. We are pleased with the progress of our next generation IBD-300 program and see a path toward commercial adoption.
Fourth, we remain focused on executing against the increasing demand through investments in our supply chain with contract manufacturing partners, along with expanding our internal manufacturing capacity. We remain highly optimistic. About the growth opportunities created by AI infrastructure and high performance computing with strong execution, increasing customer engagement and strategic investments underway to support industry demand. We believe VECO is well positioned to capitalize. on these secular trends. Before diving in deeper, I'll briefly touch on the merger with Excellus. The transaction continues to progress with shareholders' approvals secured and progress on custom. Closing conditions, including China regulatory review. We continue to work constructively with China to obtain clearance. We expect the transaction to close by the end of the first quarter of 2027. In parallel, our integration teams continue to plan for a seamless close and remain focused on realizing the potential, fundamental, long-term value creation we believe will be unlocked from this combination. Moving to the next slide. I'll highlight our critical role in semiconductor manufacturing and our served available market opportunity through 2030. AI-driven investment and increasing device complexity are accelerating technology transitions across advanced packaging, leading logic, and memory customers. These trends align well with our differentiated portfolio and are creating multiple opportunities to expand our served available market.
and drive long-term growth. I'll begin with advanced packaging, which continues to be a major growth area for our wet processing and lithography tools. Throughout the year, we have received significant orders from leading Foundry, Memory, and OSAT customers, strengthening our backlog and increasing our visibility for 2027 and into 2028. Beyond the strong order momentum, our pipeline continues to expand. As customers evaluate our technology for next generation advanced packaging applications. For example, we are engaged with a tier one foundry on the qualification of a next generation wet processing. Panel tool. Advanced packaging is becoming an increasingly meaningful contributor to our growth as we gain share in a growing market that we project will approach $1 billion by 2030. To meet anticipated customer requirements, we intend to more than double our manufacturing capacity in 2027 through both in-house expansion and strategic outsourcing partnerships in Southeast Asia and the United States. Providing additional scale and flexibility as we prepare for higher customer volumes. In the front-end manufacturing process, we serve advanced logic and foundry as well as memory. In Logic and Foundry, our annealing solutions continue to be a market leader. Our laser spike annealing product remains production tool of record at all three Tier 1 Logic customers. Driving ongoing business. We continue to advance our next-generation nanosecond annealing system, addressing critical low-thermal budget applications. We have successfully engaged all three Tier 1 Logic customers.
and made significant progress advancing NSA over the past several months. One customer has completed its evaluation and placed a revenue order. A second continues to make progress towards completing its evaluation. And we recently shipped an evaluation system to the third customer. Customers are seeing great results and are accelerating their adoption of our NSA system. We see potential. for additional orders in the coming months, supporting their pilot lines and high volume manufacturing needs. Turning to memory, we are in the early stages of building this business as customers begin adopting laser annealing technologies. We are in the early stages of building laser annealing technologies. We see significant runway for growth as adoption expands, supported by AI-driven demand for DRAM and NAND technologies. We continue to make progress with leading memory customers. Including our LSA tool serving as the production tool of record at a Tier 1 high bandwidth memory customer that accelerated their investment in 2026. We are advancing an LSA evaluation. System at a second Tier 1 DRAM customer with potential follow-on orders in 2027 and 2028. And our engagement with a third DRAM customer could lead to an evaluation agreement in 2027. Our opportunity is also expanding into NAND. Several customers are exploring applications for our LSA and NSA platforms, and we expect to ship our first LSA service.
system for a NAND application to a leading customer by year-end. As 3D NAND manufacturers increase layer counts and device complexity, controlling thermal exposure becomes increasingly critical. Together, these opportunities support our confidence in an annealing SAM of approximately $1.3 billion by 2030. Beyond annealing, we see another meaningful opportunity to expand our presence in memory through our IBD 300. platform. Two systems are currently under evaluation at leading DRAM customers for advanced memory applications, including bitline metallization, where low-resistance films are increasingly critical. These evaluations are progressing. with strong customer engagement and program expansion in 2027. Lastly, we continue to be a market leader in ion beam deposition for EUV mass blanks, working closely with major companies. to enable their technology roadmaps. Demand is supported by AI driven scaling, increasing EUV layer counts at leading edge logic nodes, and the expanding adoption of EUV. and high bandwidth memory applications. Our technology is a critical enabler of the multi layer mirrors used in EUV mask blanks, and we are deeply engaged with customers and industry leaders as they advance their roadmaps. toward high NA lithography and larger format masks. This close collaboration positions us at the forefront of enabling the industry's next generation of EUV technology.
We are also expanding our EUV related opportunity into pellicle applications, where we continue to win production business at a tier one foundry and engage with new customers. Taken together, we see our eye. beam deposition SAM in the front end semiconductor market to be approximately $500 million by 2030. On the next slide, I'll discuss our compound semiconductor market and project. SAM through 2030. AI infrastructure is driving greater demand for high-speed optical connectivity and power-efficient semiconductor devices, creating attractive growth opportunities across our portfolio. in silicon for electronics, we project a $700 million SAM by 2030, primarily driven by indium-phosphide lasers for high-speed optical connectivity. We are gaining momentum across the laser manufacturing process. with multiple Lumina and Lumina Plus orders year-to-date, a market leader position in wet processing, and our differentiated Spectre IBD technology for laser facet coatings. I'll discuss this opportunity in greater detail on the next slide. In other photonics, we project a $550 million SAM by 2030, including applications in space-based solar, micro-LED displays, and other emerging photonics technologies. And in GAN power, we project a $250 million SAM by 2030, supported by AI data center power requirements, electrification, and other high-power-density applications. Our Propel 300-millimeter GAN on silicon platform continues to progress with a leading power semiconductor customer. As we work toward completing the
technical qualifications for future capacity expansion. Collectively, these opportunities position VECO to benefit from the growing requirements for advanced connectivity and power efficiency as AI infrastructure continues to scale. Next, I'll dive deeper into our role in silicon photonics. Within the compound semiconductor market, silicon photonics remains one of our most compelling AI-driven growth areas. As AI clusters scale, higher bandwidth requirements are accelerating the shift from copper to optical connectivity. This transition is driving adoption of advanced indium phosphide lasers. across higher-speed pluggable transceivers and longer-term near-packaged and co-packaged optics. VECO is uniquely positioned across three critical steps in the indium phosphide. laser manufacturing process, epitaxy, wet processing, and laser facet coatings. Given our customer engagements, we continue to believe this represents at least a two- billion-dollar opportunity over the next several years. In MOCBD, momentum continues to build for our Lumina and Lumina Plus platforms. We have received multiple orders year-to-date from leading for the next several years. We are installing systems at existing customers, pursuing additional expansion opportunities, and engaging with prospective customers across Epitaxi applications. We continue to win business supported by competitors. We have innovative advantages of our platform, including differentiated productivity, reduced cleaning requirements, and larger batch processing. In wet processing, our wafer etch and wafer storm platforms
provide critical etching, cleaning, and surface preparation solutions for laser manufacturing. In an ion-beam deposition, our SPECTR tool addresses the critical laser facet coating step. As lasers move to higher power, the requirements for tighter film quality and greater reliability become increasingly stringent, playing directly to the strengths of our differentiated IBD technology. Together, these... Capabilities give us broad exposure to the continued scaling of optical connectivity. We're investing to more than double capacity in 2027 to support our customers' unprecedented demand and capture this multi-year growth opportunity. With that, I'll turn the call over to John to review our financial results.
- John KiernanSvp & Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Bill.
Revenue came in at $209 million within our guidance range. For the third quarter, our semiconductor revenue was $135 million, an increase of 4% from the prior quarter and comprising 65% of revenue. It was largely driven by laser annealing systems to leading-edge Foundry Logic and memory customers. Along with web processing systems for advanced packaging. For the full year 2026, we expect semiconductor revenue to grow by low to mid-teens compared to the prior full year. This performance is driven primarily by additional sales to leading memory, Foundry Logic, and EUV customers serving AI and high-performance computing applications. In 2027, building on this momentum, we expect revenue to grow by low to mid-teens. We expect revenue growth to meaningfully accelerate, led by advanced packaging. Compound semiconductor revenue for the third quarter totaled $40 million, a 96% increase from the prior quarter, totaling 19% of revenue. For the full year 2026, we expect compound semiconductor revenue to approximately double versus full year 2025. Growth is predominantly driven by our MOCVD. And IBD systems for silicon photonics. Looking ahead in 2027, we expect revenue growth to accelerate driven by the significant backlog for these tools. According to data storage, revenue for the third quarter was $20 million, representing 10% of revenue. We expect revenue to approximately double in data storage year over year in 2026.
Demand continues to increase driven by cloud computing and AI data centers. We have order visibility for 2027 and extending into 2028. We are aligned closely with our customer roadmap. As they adopt HAMR, increasing the need for our ion beam technology. Lastly, in scientific and other, the third quarter revenue was $14 million, representing 6% of revenue. Turning to the quarterly revenue by region, revenue from Asia-Pacific region, excluding China, was 45%, an increase from the previous quarter. Revenue from the U.S. accounted for 31% of revenue, an increase from the previous quarter. Primarily from advanced semiconductor customers. Our China portion was 12% of revenue, a decrease from the previous quarter. EMEA and the rest of the world accounted for 12% of revenue as well. Turning to the third quarter non-GAAP operating results. Gross margin came in at 39%. Below expectations due to higher supply chain costs, product mix, and the timing of revenue recognition on an LSA. System under U.S. government export. Operating expenses totaled approximately $57 million, and income tax expense was $3 million, resulting in an effective tax rate of approximately 12%. Net income was $24 million, and diluted EPS was $0.36 on 66 million shares.
Turning to the next slide to review the balance sheet and cash flow highlights. We ended the quarter with cash and short-term investments of $483 million, an increase of $53 million from the prior quarter. From a working capital perspective, our accounts receivable increased by $6 million to $100 million. Inventory increased by $16 million to $308 million, and accounts payable increased by $11 million to $68 million. Importantly, customer deposits increased by $58 million. $169 million, reflecting strong customer commitment and demand. Cash flow from operations totaled $58 million, and CapEx totaled $4 million during the quarter. Lastly, I'll review our fourth quarter and updated full year 2026 non-GAAP outlook. Demand across our key markets remains strong, and we continue to make deliberate investments to support our future growth. This includes adding capacity and expanding our supply chain to ensure we're well positioned to meet customer needs as these opportunities scale. While there are certain industry-wide component constraints, we're actively working with our suppliers to address them. Fourth quarter revenue is expected to be between $230 and $260 million. Gross margin is expected to be between 43 and 44 percent. Reflecting... Improved volume and more favorable product mix. We expect OpEx between $64 and $66 million. Net income between $34 and $47 million. And diluted EP...
between $0.50 and $0.70 on 66 million shares. We are updating our full year revenue guidance to be between $790 and $820 million. And expect our... non-GAAP diluted earnings per share between $1.32 to $1.52 based on 66 million shares. Our third quarter performance and updated full year outlook demonstrate our continued focus on delivering strong... ...financial results while investing deliberately for the future. With a solid foundation, we remain well positioned to fund our capacity expansion, support our customers, and execute on the opportunities ahead.
- Q&A22:50
- John KiernanSvp & Chief Financial Officer
With that, we'll now open the call for questions. Thank you. As a reminder, everybody, given the pending merger with Excellus, VECO management will not be addressing questions related to the transaction.
Thank you. Now we will begin the question and answer session. So if you do have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touchstone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press the star.
- Operator
Followed by the two. And if you are using a speakerphone, please lift the hands up before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. And your first question comes from Charles Shee from Needham. Please go ahead.
Question · Needham & Company
Charles SheeAnalyst · Needham & CompanyHi, thanks.
Thanks for taking my question.
- Management
John, I think I heard you talk a little bit about the supply chain component constraints before you gave the outlook, but wondering if you can provide a little bit of additional color on how the supply chain situation looks like for you guys right now. And I noticed that you gave some early view in the 27 as well, but we all know you have very strong backlog, semi-compound, semi-accelerating, but there's still a little bit range of possibility there. Unconstrained demand is one question and assuming you're still going to have some components. The constraint into next year, what is the more realistic expectation for next year? Hopefully you can help us from that angle, demand versus the supply constraint. Thank you. Sure. I'll handle part of that question. I'll turn part of the question over to Bill as well as to talk about demand for next year. So I would say, Charles, you know, similar to what peer companies. Has been reporting. We have seen supply chain challenges, you know, increasing. We've experienced longer lead times and certain, you know, component shortages. Our supply chain organization. Is working closely with suppliers. We're placing orders earlier. Qualifying alternative suppliers and, you know, making use of advanced payments to secure supply. And as you mentioned. Where, you know, we've been working to align supply with higher demand outlook. And providing our suppliers with greater forward visibility. You know, placing orders against.
- Management
Our 27 requirements for the full year 2027 at this point. And expanding our relationships with. Contract manufacturers there as well. So while there are. Constraints and execution risk, we believe we've identified the key bottlenecks and have actions in place to address them and believe our ability to ramp supply chains, you know, to support the demand as we move through. 2027. And the second half of your question, Charles, this is Bill, was, you know, are those demand constraints limiting your outlook for 27? I would say. As you just said, that, you know, we continue to see incredible demand just driven by AI infrastructure, et cetera. And I would say, if I look at where people are kind of targeting. WFE in 27 and kind of the range of 20 to 40 percent growth year over year in 27, I would say, and this includes a view of the supply constraints, which is. Your question. You know, we see across the whole corporation, all all key segments, we see our 27 growth at the higher range of those W. VECO estimates kind of closer to that 40% range. Thanks. Maybe, Bill, a quick follow up. Right. So let's say you grow close to that 40% with that. The potential, I mean, is that the possible range still with some of the supply constraints that you're probably going to have in mind, or that's really just the unconstrained demand right now? No, no, that's a view that takes into account potential supply constraints and bottlenecks and is our kind of current.
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estimate factoring all that in. Great. Well, that's very good color. So maybe a follow-up question on maybe two product level, small product level questions. One, people have been expecting this Ghana Silicon repeat orders from your top customers wondering, because you do have a long lead time, right? Wondering what's the latest? When you think the volume ramp is going to happen? When the repeat order is going to come? That's, that's one. The other, there is the hardest drive demand and I did hear you talk about visibility extending now already into 28. Wondering if you can provide a little bit more help with that rather than just a young year. But on the quarterly runway, where we're heading, where are we heading to? I think your bottom level was kind of like 10 million per quarter, right? That's a purely service for data storage, but your now run rating just 20, maybe you're going to the 25 million per quarter, but wondering if we can ever get back to the prior peak level, which I believe exceeded probably 50 million per quarter. Want to get some thoughts on how you think about the ramp of data storage as well. Thank you. That's the two questions rolled into one. Thank you. Okay, I'll try to keep me honest here, Charles. On GANON silicon, we do have an eval at a large IDM for a 300-millimeter GANON silicon. Our understanding from close engagement with the customer is the machine is operating well. It's producing
- Management
high-quality epitaxy. It's being used to provide parts to their customers for qualification. We did announce, I believe, that we are in receipt of a kind of a HVM order for shipment in 2027 to support our customers' pilot line. So I think if... they probably will be starting in the back half of 27, and depending on how their customer demand evolves, that would probably ramp in 28. That's Bill's guess of the customer's view. So if there's no questions on GAN Power, I'll move to data storage. I would say you're right that the kind of $10 million run rate is kind of a service only, and we have effectively doubled the business in 2026, up to an $80 million rate. And we do have visibility into 27 and into 28. I think the challenge that makes answering your question on a quarterly basis challenging is that the ASPs of this tool these tools are kind of in the, you know, $5, $8, $10 million each. So a tool moving around between one quarter and another doesn't really justify it. But I would say if I look at 27 in totality, I would say it's probably going to grow in about the 20% range, probably half the rate of the rest of the company. But we do have very good visibility of that business.
- Management
All right. So it sounds like the HDD side of the business, I mean, compared with, let's say, the 2021 peak. Previous cycle peak is still pretty constrained at this point. I don't know that it's constrained, Charles, this is John, constrained, or, you know, this is what the customer telling us, you know, demand is. Right, they're saying capital intensity is like four to six percent of their, you know, revenues. You know, we wouldn't be, you know, capacity constrained, you know, going into, you know, this level of business. So I don't think that the demand is there. Right now for going back to, you know, sort of peak, you know, peak levels. Our customers is giving us, I think, as you know, we've been working with these customers for a long period of time on a bill to order model. They're giving us their. Requirements, you know, for 2027 and highlighting, you know, sort of the beginning of 2028 at this point. And none of those demand signals from the customers would indicate we'd be going back to peak level for for those. Now that could change if their demand signals change, but we're not receiving those type of demand signals from the customer and we are not supply constrained in this area, given the full lead time that we have visibility that we have.
- Management
Got it.
- Management
Thanks for the update.
- Management
Thank you, Charles.
- Management
Thank you, Charles.
- Operator
Thank you. And your next question comes from David Dooley from Steelhead. Please go ahead.
Question · Steelhead
SDavid DooleyAnalyst · SteelheadYeah.
Thank you for taking my question. I guess my first question is on your MOCVD business for Indian phosphide laser production. You know, I think you're kind of. The low market share guy there. And could you talk about you seem to have indicated some progress on the conference call about winning customers, broadening out your customer base, shipping more tools to current. Customers. Could you just talk about, you know, what your goals are for market share of that business and kind of where you're at now? And, you know, what sort of growth would we expect for that part of the. For MOCVD in 2027. Steve, I would say, as I think, you know, we've developed the Lumina and the Lumina Plus product line and recently. We launched it and what we're seeing in the marketplace, whether that's in indium phosphide lasers or space based solar applications or micro LEDs that the product. It's being broadly accepted, and it seems that it's a pretty capable product in the marketplace, and so we are winning business this year and growing that business at a number of fronts, but more specifically. Specifically to your question, indium phosphide as well, and so we are working very closely with a few of the leaders. We're doing demos with others, and we're knocking on the doors of others. And so I would say some of the challenges that we face is because this is a new product, ramping it to high volume will take a little bit of – higher volume will take a little bit of time.
- Management
This is an area where we are constrained a bit in terms of our growth in 27, but I would expect to start gaining a bit more share in kind of the late – 27, 28, and beyond timeframes.
- Management
Okay. And then you mentioned LSA revenue in 2027. I think it's going to be a significant grower. Could you kind of highlight, you know, both for founding logic and for memory, you know, how much you think you can grow next year in relationship to the growth rate you've given for the segment? Yeah, in LSA, in 26, our advanced logic business has really ticked up with the tier ones. And the other thing is we've won one memory customer for high bandwidth memory, and they've grown substantially. So our memory segment has grown substantially in 2026. And the headwind we have in 26 is that our China business, as we've been forecasting, continues to decline. So our mix of kind of front end, back, or leading edge, trailing edge has kind of flipped back. More traditional kind of two-thirds, one-third during 2026 for LSA. You know, when I look at this year, I would, I think that, I'm sorry, when I look at 27, I would say. If I'm looking specifically at LSA, I would say that business will continue to grow in the advanced segment as it has in 26. And we are expecting decline in 27 in China. So we expect China to become less relevant. And when I look at the semi-segment, including... Advanced packaging and all the other elements, I would say our semi-segment will grow at about 40%, similar to what I said earlier.
- Management
Company-wide average. That being said, David, I think it's important for everyone to understand that silicon photonics, where we are seeing significant growth, sits in our compound semi-segment, not in our semi-segment. If you were to add the compound semi with the semi, it would be growing faster than the company average. Okay. And then I signed on just like a couple minutes late and you're talking... I was talking about doubling your capacity for advanced packaging, I believe, and talked about a panel level when I could just was wondering, you know, kind of would you just take a step back, you know, what you kind of think, you know, I imagine. I imagine your co-op business grew quite substantially here in 2026 with all the wafer starts that are being added, but there's a lot of wafer starts being added next year, too. So maybe just talk, you know, parse what you kind of think the co-op advanced packaging, you know, kind of revenue outlook is. And is doubling capacity enough to meet demand in 2027? Yeah, I would say, Dave, as you know, in 25, we doubled the business on the back of advanced packaging. Really on processing business. And in 26, and that was for a lot of co-op capacity that you're now seeing wafer starts in 26. So that. Capacity was put in at 25 for 26. That business continues at an elevated level at, you know, I would say it's probably flat-ish to maybe up a little bit in 26, but.
- Management
When I look at advanced packaging in 27, we're definitely seeing that business grow substantially based on our backlog, not only in wet processing, but also in lithography for. Heading towards doubling from these kind of elevated levels that we're operating at now. So to that end, I'm not sure how much you caught on the call, but we are adding two contract manufacturers. We've pretty much run out of space in our current factory. We're adding a contract manufacturer in Southeast Asia. Their first shipments will be in... coming online in Q1, and a domestic contract manufacturer that's been building sub-assemblies is now going to start building whole systems for us. But the majority, I would think, is heading towards Southeast Asia. And then just inside my back question was a commentary about panel. Yes, I'm sorry. Panel adoption. Yeah, so we have shipped. A panel tool to a leading foundry. And, you know, just given the size of these packages and dye that, you know, a lot more dye fit. On a square than fit on a circle effectively. And so without a large change in footprint, but geometry, you know, our customer can add substantially more output of devices. So that's been progressing. It's doing well. And we're I think we're in a very strong position there for in wet processing for that panel tool.
- Management
Thanks, Dave.
- Operator
Thank you. And your last question comes from Gus Richard from Northland. Please go ahead.
Question · Northland Capital Markets
Gus RichardAnalyst · Northland Capital MarketsYes, thanks for taking the questions. Just real quick on the IDD opportunity at the DRAM guys. Could you talk a little bit about what what you need to finish to get one of these customers over the line to order tools? Yes, sure, Gus. Yeah, as you know, we have two evals at leading DRAM customers. You know, I would say we've been making a lot of progress. The team is making a lot. of progress this last quarter or so. And, you know, our feedback from the customer has always been, wow, these are very high quality films. The resistance is really spectacular. We really love the film quality. But what we've been able to do is to really make some substantial progress in demonstrating to our customers the robustness of the system, which. Which is really kind of what's been holding us back. And so our expectation is we're going to expand our program in 2027. And what I mean by that is customers are pulling for additional tools now to support. Their pilot line HVM that we expect to ship in 2027. So we're kind of in early stages of discussion of that. And we're working through what that looks like. And how we execute that. Got it. And then you mentioned you've got an opportunity in Pellicles beyond your initial customer. I was just wondering if... You could talk about, you know, is that logic? Is it memory? You know, is it multiple customers? Is the existing customer going to order more? You know, sort of what's the state of that piece of the IBD business?
- Management
Yeah, so what we've said is we have one Foundry customer who are in the pellicle business for their own business. And then what we're seeing is the ecosystem is such that a lot of customers don't want to make pellicles, and so they're working with their suppliers, and so now we're not. We're working with this Foundry customer, but another level down in the supply chain to help them as well, to work with them as well, to support the other major customers. I would say, largely, those are more Logic customers today. Okay. And just to clarify, that would be like a mask blank vendor or someone that makes pellicles for EQV? It Exactly. Exactly. Existing, the existing supply chain. Yes. Okay. I got it.
- Management
Thank you so much.
- Management
Yep. Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Bill Miller for closing remarks. Thank you. VECO delivered another solid quarter, and we continued to build momentum across our key growth areas. AI investment. and increasing chip complexity are driving strong customer engagement, order momentum, and greater visibility into 2027 and beyond. We're investing to support this growth while advancing our differentiated technologies. including IBD 300 to capitalize on our long-term growth opportunities. We also continue to progress toward completing our merger with Excellus and remain confident in the compelling value creation potential of the combination. We are always to benefit from the significant tailwinds within the industry and remain focused on execution.
- Operator
Thanks to our shareholders for your continued support and to the entire VECO team for your hard work and dedication. Have a great evening.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you very much for your participation and you may not disconnect. Have a great day, everyone.