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TPC earnings call transcript, November 4, 2026
Tutor Perini Q3 2026 Earnings Conference Call
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- Prepared remarks3:03
- Operator
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Tudor Perini Corporation third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. My name is Mike and I will be.
- Q&A3:12
Your coordinator for today. All participants are currently in a listen only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will be opening the call for question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes. I'll now turn. Offense over to your host for today, Mr. Jorge Casado, Senior Vice President of Infesta Relations. Please proceed.
Hello and thank you all for joining us. With us today are Gary Smalley, CEO and President, and Ryan Soroka, Executive Director of Vice President and CFO. Before we discuss our results, I'll remind everyone that during this call we will be making forward-looking statements which are based on management's current assessment of existing trends and information. There is an inherent risk that our actual results could differ materially. You can find our disclosures about risk factors that could contribute to such differences in our Form 10-Q, which we are filing today, and in our Form 10-K, which was filed on February 26, 2026. The company assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements, whether due to new information, future events, or otherwise, other than as required by law. In addition, during today's call, management will be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures. You can find information and a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures in our earnings release and in our Form 10-Q, both of which can be found in the Investors section of our website.
Thank you, and with that, I will turn the call over to Gary Smalley.
- Gary SmalleyManagement
Thanks, Jorge.
Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.
Thank you for spending time with us today. We delivered another quarter of outstanding results that featured record operating cash flow, revenue, operating income, and earnings. Our consistent execution and continued backlog growth give us tremendous confidence and visibility. into our ability to continue creating value for shareholders over the near and long term. This marked our seventh consecutive quarter reporting outstanding results. Our operating cash flow for the third quarter in the first nine months of 2026. was up 14% and 16% year over year, respectively, each setting new all time records with the third quarter result of $331 million representing the largest of any quarter ever. Our record cash flow this year has been driven by higher volume strong execution record earnings and collections on various large projects that are very profitable. Our third quarter revenue was a record. $1.7 billion up 22% year over year driven by contributions from various projects, most of which are in the early stages with significant scope of work remaining as a result of our strong revenue growth and project execution. We generated record operating income of $125 million, which more than tripled compared to the same quarter last year, and we produced $0.39 of GAAP earnings per share. And $1.83 of adjusted earnings per share, up 457% and 59%, respectively, compared to the third quarter last year.
Brian will delve into the details of our financial... ...results shortly. Our operating margins were also outstanding. Our civil segment's third quarter operating margin was a solid 14%. Our building segment's operating margin was also... ...strong at 5%, with operating income that was nearly double that of the third quarter of last year. Our specialty contractor's operating margin was 3.5% for the third quarter, up 130 basis points compared to the prior quarter margin. and reflecting the continued margin expansion we have anticipated this year. We believe that the specialty segment's margin will continue to improve as its electrical mechanical work ramps up on several of our large civil and building segment projects. Overall, we are extremely pleased with the continued upward trajectory of our business and the substantial revenue, earnings, margins, and cash we are generating from our growing and profitable background. Let's turn to the details of our third quarter new awards and backlog. We booked an impressive $2.2 billion of new awards and contract adjustments, a solid book to burn of 1.3x. And finished the quarter with a near record backlog of $20.4 billion. The largest additions to backlog included $1 billion of additional work for a civil segment project that includes a substantial amount of electrical and mechanical work to be performed by the specialty. Contractor segment. $577 million of new awards for several federal government projects for printing management services.
$145 million of new awards and additional funding for various military facility projects and the. Indo-Pacific region for black construction. $126 million for various bridge projects in the Midwest for London construction. $108 million of additional funding for the Choctaw Casino and Resort Pekola renovation and expansion project. In Oklahoma and $89 million of additional funding for several mass transit projects in California. As a reminder, our strong backlog, which includes nine mega projects totaling $16 billion of awarded value was significantly. Improved contractual terms that we have won over the past few years, continues to provide us with excellent visibility for future revenue, earnings, and cash flow over the next several years. We expect that our backlog will continue to drive. Impressive revenue and earnings growth, solid profitability, and strong cash flow in 2027 and beyond. We continue to have numerous significant project bidding opportunities, particularly in the Indo-Pacific region, as well as in California, the Midwest, the Northeast, and the Mid-Atlantic. Our massive pipeline of more than $200 billion in potential project opportunities over the next three to four years is broad geographically and diverse across end markets and about three times larger than the pipeline we had just a couple of years ago. We expect that many of these opportunities will bid over the next year or two and are confident that we are well positioned to win our
fair share of them. We remain highly selective and disciplined in our approach to bidding and winning new projects with our key objective being to maximize shareholder value. Our focus remains on bidding projects conservatively so that our project. Budgets reflect safe costs, adequate contingency, higher margins, and favorable contractual terms that balance risks between us and our customers. We continue to see limited competition across the market. markets for the larger fixed price projects, which should help us win important and profitable contracts that will enable us to further grow our revenue and earnings and expand our margins. Now I'll review. These are the specific bidding opportunities we are targeting this year and over the next couple of years. In the Indo-Pacific region, black construction continues to pursue more than $4.6 billion of federal opportunities, including major wharf. Harbor, military, and aviation projects across Guam, Palau, Yap, Wake Island, and Pinion. In fact, we have submitted bids for three large projects in the region valued at nearly $1 billion. For which we are awaiting the customer's decision. In the U.S., we plan to bid on several multi-billion dollar infrastructure projects, including the initial contract for the Sepulveda. Visit Corridor program in Southern California, a program believed to be valued at approximately 12 billion dollars and expect to be awarded under multiple contracts, as well as the Merced to Madera segment of the California
high-speed rail project. We also have in Southern California the 4 billion dollar Southeast Gateway, the 2 billion dollar Eastside Transit Corridor Phase 2, and the 1.5 billion dollar C-Line Extension. to Torrance projects. On the East Coast, we will pursue the 3 billion dollar Hudson Tunnel Systems and Fit Out Project in New York, the 3 billion dollar Newark Liberty International Airport Terminal B Project in New Jersey. and the 1.2 billion dollar Newark Bay Bridge Project. Late next year, or the following year, we expect to bid on the second phase of the multi-billion dollar Midtown Bus Terminal Replacement Project in New York. So thank you. that will demolish the existing bus terminal and build this permanent replacement. Around the same time, we also plan to pursue a multi-billion dollar opportunity in Maryland for which we previously bid and had been selected in 2020. But the project did not move forward at that time. We're also targeting various new large health care hospitality and gaming opportunities, mostly in California and the Southwest. In addition to these numerous sizable pursuits, we continue to have certain building segment projects currently in the pre-construction phase that are anticipated to advance to the construction phase later this year and over the next two years. Our massive pipeline. perspective opportunities, together with our experience and other competitive strengths, give us confidence in our ability to drive backlog growth over the medium to longer term as we continue to focus on earnings growth.
Margin expansion, strong free cash generation, quality and safety. We are confident that these opportunities, along with our existing backlog, will provide the catalyst for continued enhancement of shareholder value. Finally, let's turn to our outlook and guidance. As I mentioned earlier, we are extremely pleased with the financial results we have delivered thus far this year. Results that were well ahead of our expectations. We continue to benefit from strong customer demand and favorable macroeconomic tailwinds. Our business is resilient through economic cycles and changes in the political environment, and we remain confident that our future is bright with expectations. for continued strong revenue and earnings growth. Because of the favorable outlook in our record financial results to date, driven by stronger than expected execution of our backlog and mitigation of previously identified project risks. We are raising our 2026 adjusted EPS guidance to the range of $5.90 to $6.10 per share, up from the previous range of $5.15 to $5. and 45 cents. Importantly, our guidance continues to factor in contingency for unknown or unexpected outcomes and developments this year. We also continue to expect strong operating cash generation. for the remainder of 2026 and beyond due to increasing project execution activities on our newer megaprojects and the anticipated resolution of remaining legacy disputes looking to.
2027 and based on our outlook and assessment of the current market, we continue to anticipate double digit revenue and earnings growth as construction activities advance on many of our newer large projects and backlog.
Thank you with that I will turn the call over to Ryan to discuss the details.
- RyanManagement
of our financial results.
- Management
Thanks Gary.
- Management
Good day everyone. I'll review our results for the third quarter then provide commentary on our balance sheet and assumptions related to our increased 2026 guidance. All comparative references will be against the third quarter of last year unless otherwise stated. Gary mentioned, we generated $331 million of operating cash in the third quarter, up 14%, which set a new record as the highest result of any quarter ever. For the first nine months of 2026, operating cash flow was $665 million, up 16% compared to the first nine months of 2025, and the highest of any first nine months ever. The record cash flow was driven by high outstanding project execution, record earnings, and collections on various large projects that are very profitable, as well as effective working capital management with only a negligible amount attributable to collections from legacy dispute. resolutions. We expect to continue generating solid cash flow this year and beyond, with most of our cash to be sourced from organic operations and occasionally enhanced by cash collected from dispute resolutions. Revenue for the third quarter of 2026 was a record $1.7 billion, up 22% in the highest of any quarter ever, with the growth primarily due to increased project execution activities on certain higher margin projects, including in the Northeast, California, Texas, and the Indo-Pacific region. Civil segment revenue was $894 million, the segment's highest quarterly revenue ever, and up 16% with the growth driven by increased project
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execution activities on the Midtown Bus Terminal Phase 1 project, the Manhattan Tunnel, the Manhattan Jail, the Kensico Eastview Connection Tunnel, the Honolulu Rail Project, and the Opera Harbor Waterfront Repairs Project in Guam, all of which have substantial scope of work remaining. Building segment revenue was $541 million, up 29%, primarily due to increased activities on the Brooklyn and Manhattan Jail projects in New York, as well as on three large healthcare projects and a hospitality and gaming project. in California. All of our major civil and building segment projects continue to run very smoothly. Specialty segment revenue was $286 million, up 26%, with the segment's growth continuing to be primarily driven. by increased activities on various electrical and mechanical projects in New York and Texas. The strong revenue growth helped to drive our third quarter operating income to a record $125 million, up 213%. year-over-year. Civil segment operating income was $125 million, up 26% compared to $99 million. The civil segment continues to execute well and once again delivered a healthy segment operating margin of 14%. Up from 12.9% in the third quarter of last year and running well within the 12% to 15% range we expect for the segment. Building segment operating income was $27 million, up 88% compared to $14 million with the strong increase driven by contributions from certain newer, higher-margin projects in New York and California with substantial scope of work remaining. The segment's operating margin was 5%, up nicely compared to 3.4% in the third quarter of last year and also
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running well within the 3% to 6% margin range we expect for the segment. Specialty contractor segment operating income was $10 million for the third quarter, up 64% compared to $6 million for this same quarter last year. The specialty segment operating margin was 3.5% this quarter, up from 2.7% in the third quarter last year. We are pleased with the specialty segment's continued margin expansion this year, which has been primarily driven by contribution related to the increased volume on the New York and Texas electrical and mechanical projects that I mentioned earlier. We expect to see further margin expansion as we continue toward our goal of eventually sustaining specialty margins in the 5% to 8% range. Corporate G&A expense for the third quarter of 2026 was $37 million, compared to $80 million last year, with a decrease largely due to a $40 million reduction in share-based compensation expense this year, as some of the liability-classified awards that previously caused elevated share-based compensation expense vested at the end of 2025. As a reminder, most, but not all, of the remaining liability-classified awards will vest at the end of this year. So next year, we expect that our share-based compensation expense will be significantly reduced compared to this year. Other income was $16 million for the third quarter of 2026 compared to $7 million last year. with the increase primarily due to higher interest income earned on larger cash balances this year compared to last year.
- Management
Interest expense for the third quarter was $7 million compared to $14 million last year, primarily due to the successful refinancing of our senior notes that we completed in July, which reduced the coupon rate of our senior notes from 11.875% to 6.625% and will save us $21 million in interest expense annually. We are now in a net interest income position. And expect this trend to continue. We recorded two significant non-operating adjustments in the third quarter of 2026 that we previously signaled would occur in the second half of this year. First, a $51 million loss on the distinct of debt tied to the recent successful refinancing we completed in early July, of which $16 million was non-cash. And second, a non-cash $34 million charge associated with the settlement of our former pension. plan obligations. We terminated our pension plan because we wanted to eliminate future cash contributions and ongoing administrative expenses. Income tax expense for the quarter was $11 million with a corresponding effective tax rate of $22.7 million. 7% for the period compared to $15 million last year with a corresponding effective tax rate of 44.6% in that period. The lower effective tax rate this year is mostly attributable to the lower non-deductible share. Based compensation expenses estimated for 2026 relative to 2025, debt income attributable to Tudor Perrini for the third quarter of 2026 was $21 million, or $39.
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of gap earnings per share, up more than five times compared to $4 million, or $0.07 of gap earnings per share in the third quarter of last year. Excluding the impacts of share-based compensation expense, the loss on extinguishment of debt, and the pension settlement charge net of all the associated tax benefits, adjusted net income attributable to Tudor Perini for the third quarter of 2026 was $98 million, or $1.83 of adjusted earnings per share, compared to $62 million, or $1. and $0.15 of adjusted earnings per share in the same quarter last year. This was a 59% improvement in our adjusted EPS compared to last year's third quarter, reflecting the high margin contributions and operational excellence. We continue to see as we execute our project's backlog. Now I'll address the balance sheet. Our total debt stood at $404 million at the end of the third quarter. We ended the quarter with cash. In cash equivalents exceeding total debt by $707 million, a very robust net cash position and $425 million better than we were one year ago. Our cash available for general corporate purposes was $504 million. at the end of the third quarter of 2026, up 150% compared to the year-ago level. In addition, our cost and estimated earnings in excess of billings, or CIE, as of September 30th, 20- 26, was 767 million, the lowest bounce since the end of 2014, and a decline of 9% compared to 848 million as of September 30th, 2025, reflecting our significant continued progress in-
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resolving and collecting on a reduced number of disputed matters. Our balance sheet has continued to strengthen throughout this year, and our sizable net cash position provides us with tremendous flexibility to allocate our capital efficiently and strategically. Lastly, let me update you on our latest assumptions related to our increased 2026 guidance. GNA expense for 2026 is expected to be between $380 million and $400 million. Depreciation and amortization expense is anticipated to be approximately $45 million in 2026, with depreciation at $43 million and amortization at $2 million. Interest expense for 2026 is now expected to be between $40 million and $42 million, of which about $3 million will be non-cash. Our effective income tax rate for 2026 is expected to be approximately 26% to 29%. We now anticipate non-controlling interest to be between $65 million and $75 million. We expect approximately 54 million weighted average diluted shares outstanding for 2026. And capital expenditures are anticipated to be approximately $125 million to $135 million, with the majority of the CapEx in 2026, or approximately $75 million to $85 million, being owner-funded for large equipment items. on certain large new projects. Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Gary.
- Gary SmalleyManagement
Thanks, Ryan.
To summarize, we delivered record financial results for the third quarter and through the first nine months of 2020. 26 highlighted by the largest quarterly and first nine months of operating cash flow ever record revenue that reflected strong double digit growth record operating income that was more than triple last year's third. Quarter results solid segment operating margins, very strong earnings and continued backlog growth. As I mentioned earlier, this was the seventh consecutive quarter that we have reported extraordinary financial results are near record. Backlog, together with the $200 billion plus pipeline of project opportunities, provides us with great confidence in our ability to deliver double-digit revenue and earnings growth and continued strong cash flow in 2027. Beyond. Our business trajectory has been and continues to be fantastic, and our results this year reflect strong operational performance and the excellent revenue, earnings, and cash flow potential. Embedded in our backlog. Given our country's multi-decade history of under-investing in its infrastructure, a trend that has finally begun to reverse in recent years, we expect that strong customer demand, favorable macroeconomic tailwinds, and solid public and private customer funding will persist and continue to support an abundance of bidding opportunities well into the future. We firmly believe that Tudor Perini offers a compelling value proposition for investors.
Especially when you consider our record financial and operating performance to date, our near-record backlog, the massive pipeline of bidding opportunities over the next several years that should sustain our long-term success, and the recent significant pullback in valuation. across the stock market. We are confident in our future trajectory, which we believe will be propelled by the outstanding earnings and cash flow potential embedded in our backlog, and we expect to continue benefiting from general operational investment opportunities to refresh and modernize the U.S. infrastructure. Thank you. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for your questions. Thank you. We will now
- Operator
be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we pull for questions.
First question is from Adam Thalheimer with Thompson and Davison Company. Please proceed with your question.
Question · Thompson and Davison Company
THey guys, congrats on the strong Q3.
- Management
Thank you, Adam.
Question · Thompson and Davison Company
TI want to start off with data centers. I know you won two small jobs earlier this year. I'm just curious how much of a focus is that area for you going forward? Yeah, thank you, Adam. Look, you're right. We booked a couple projects, about $70 million. If you look at the backlog that we have, that's data center related, and that is not, it's 0.2% of our backlog as of the end of September. So very negligible. However, having said that, you know, we'll continue to look for selective and opportunistic opportunities. We have talented resources. There's a shortage of electricians to do the data center work. And, you know, the demand sometimes comes our way as it did with these projects. And there are a few more that appear that they might be in the pipeline. But look, with the just immense pipeline, you know, I mentioned the $200 billion plus of opportunities. And, you know, the traditional infrastructure opportunities that we're used to pursuing and that we excel in, data centers is not going to be focused for us. Can we do the work? Sure, we can do the work. But, you know, why should we with all the opportunities we have in front of us in the more traditional work? Got it. Okay. And then you said double-digit revenue growth next year. I'm curious, as you look out to revenue next year, how much of that? Sales is already in your Q3 ending backlog. Yeah, really a lot. I won't give you the exact percentage, but we'll say more than three-fourths.
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You know, that's a very high percentage in our end. In fact, I would say that if I look at, look back at 2026, when we put the budget together for 2026, that was probably the highest, you know, level of certainty that I had seen in back. Clog in my career, and I've been doing this for, you know, 35 years in the industry. And in 2027 is going to be similar in that we're going to have a very strong opportunity just to execute the work that we have and have this double digit growth. You know, just a matter of how high of double digit growth we have from our opinion, because we think it's, you know, we have this visibility because of these huge awards that we booked in recent years. And that's going to go on for some, some time still. And some of that work has not fully kicked in and it hasn't fully ramped up. So as that continues to ramp up and the work that is already ramped up continues to produce revenue margins and. Cash, then it's only going to improve from here. Last one for me, operating segment level operating margins have been great this year, particularly in civil and in building. I'm curious if you think that there is additional improvement possible over the next couple of years. Yes, there absolutely is. In fact, there could be improvement. I'm looking for improvement. 2027, really. You know, we've talked internally. We've guided in the past, you know, certain margin ranges for the various segments. And I'll give you an example with civil segment. You know, we've been guiding 12 to 15 percent for the last few years.
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You know, going back a few more years ago, it was 8 to 10 percent, but we we lifted that up as we saw the change in the landscape where we were getting work with better terms and the competition was diminishing as. look forward, you know, we're what 14% I think year to date right now in civil. I think that as we go forward, I see upward pressure on that. So, you know, we we've talked recently about maybe we. We shift that margin up a little bit, but I'd really rather wait a quarter or so just to to to to to make sure, but I see a very good chance that in the short term and as well as a medium term. that we're going to see margin elevation, not just for civil, but for the others as well building. It really depends more on a mix of things specialty. You can see that we really improve the margins again this quarter. You know what? About 3.5% and you know up what 50% or something like that from the second quarter. And that is a little short still where we want to be in the 5 to 8% range. I will tell you that the work that. We're executing specialty right now. The newer work exceeds or at least meets that range. So we're very comfortable with the new work that we're generating. The reason the margins are not quite where we need them to be. Is because we still have some legacy things, you know, really more minor on the specialty side that come trickling through that we continue to settle. And sometimes, you know, where we settle back, sometimes it's had a problem.
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Sometimes it's not, it's never material, but it does have, it does put a little bit downward pressure on the margins. So as those legacy items continue to rotate off. You know, we'll, we'll continue to see margin expansion and specialty and get into that five to 8% range sometime in 2027. Oh, good color. Okay, thank you.
- Operator
Our next question is from Min Cho with Texas Capital Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Question · Texas Capital Securities
Min ChoAnalyst · Texas Capital SecuritiesGreat.
Thank you so much.
Congratulations on a really good course. My first question has to do with the value of your bids outstanding that are awaiting awards. I think, Gary, you mentioned about a billion for Black construction, but just curious how much you have out there. Across all of your businesses. Yeah. Yeah. So I mentioned Black. I said it was, as you mentioned, almost a billion. Just to put it in perspective, we have two in the region that we think we're well positioned for. And they're about $200 million each. And then we have another one that's just a little short of $600 million that also we feel that we're well positioned for. In addition to that, you know, we've talked for some time, a couple years now, about work that we have in pre-construction. the building side and that that work usually there's about a 97 to 99% likelihood that it manifests itself into backlog, you know, going forward. We have over the next call at 12. 12 to 15 months. We have another 3 quarters of a billion dollars roughly in that type of work that we would expect to make its way to backlog. And then there are others other things here. And some of the other business units, but not to that magnitude. So, you know, somewhere around $2 billion of things that at any point in time could result in backlog, especially the black work because that's been outstanding for some months. And we were hoping by now that we would, you know, we'd hear positive news on those things. But we'll continue to be patient. You know, things are moving in the right direction and this will just make things even better when it, hopefully.
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comes our way. Excellent. I know that black construction is a very important part of your business, tends to be smaller but very high margin. Can you talk a little bit about the capacity that you have there if you do win these awards? Are you able to kind of schedule work? I know that you were talking about growing this business. Just any update on the progress in terms of adding headcount there? Yes, you know, we're in a constant recruiting mode in along with a variety of fronts, including there. Right now, we have capacity of the $4.6 billion of opportunity that we've talked about coming up in the next couple. years or so with a billion of that, you know, pending, you know, we could probably hold right now $3 billion of that work or three and a half billion, maybe. But, you know, we, we are looking at. putting more talent in black. We have some things in the works. In some cases, it's internal talent that would be moving, moving there. So we're real excited about what what black offers. It is just a phenomenal operation. You know, the 4.6 billion, that's only going to grow. The only reason it might not, you know, when we report it in the future, maybe you won't hear it growing because things will be, you know, going into backlog. Again, it will be coming out of the pursuits, but there are going to be more and more pursuits.
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Excellent. And then just a quick question for Ryan. Obviously, again, your operating margins have been very strong across all of your segments. When you look at just even the fourth quarter, should we expect margins, especially on the civil side, to come down a little bit due to seasonality? Or could we actually see it maintain kind of third quarter levels or even be up just based on the timing of the projects lapping? Yeah, I mean, look, from a from a forecast perspective, obviously, there's seasonality. And then you think about the, you know, particularly strong winter that's expected with it with El Nino. So I think there's, you know, a little bit of head win there. But at the same time, I think there's, you know, there's still opportunity to continue to perform. So, you know, if I'm trying to look at it sequentially, I think Q3 is a good barometer for Q4. And that could pick up or tick down just based on some of the some of the impacts that we've talked about.
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Perfect. Thank you.
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Thank you, man.
- Operator
Our next question is from Michael Dudas with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Question · Vertical Research Partners
Michael DudasAnalyst · Vertical Research PartnersGood afternoon.
Well done, gentlemen.
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Thank you, Mike.
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Thank you, Mike.
Question · Vertical Research Partners
Michael DudasAnalyst · Vertical Research PartnersSo, Gary, you've booked $16 billion in seven or eight large projects in an environment where the pipeline was much, much lower than it is today. As you look out the next three to four years, can you get a... How we can scope that, given the limited competition and how confident and selective you are on some of these major things that you have cited and some others that I'm sure are going to come out over the next six to 18 months. Mike, we're confident we're going to get our share of what's out there. You know, we think more than our share. You know, there was a stretch where when we booked at 16 billion, that's made up of nine projects. And I think it was something like we won nine out of 12. I don't expect the same type of hit rate. But, you know, when you start to become, when you start to get the work, you can be a little bit more greedy in how you approach things. We bid this work at high margins. And then. As time went on, higher margins and still higher margins. And that's really our approach. So we expect not, you know, that we won't win every one of them. But look, we're well positioned for a few very large programs that. Coming out and some are accelerating beyond what we had expected. So we feel really good about, you know, building the backlog from here and building it in a profitable way. Very helpful. And then, you know, Ryan, you've been generating a cash flow machine that you got as you're driving over there. How is that going to help bid? I assume like you're going to be soul sourcing many of these bidding projects with.
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Security support, et cetera, given your very strong financial profile. So many of these larger projects, I guess, Gary, you talked about that you'll be, won't be needing joint venture partners unless there's some technical aspects that you may want to assume. Yeah, that's certainly the. intent, obviously, you know, with the the cash balance, but at one point one billion dollars as we sit here as of the end of September, that was certainly the intent is having that strength going into those bids and certainly approaching it to, you know, to. The extent that we can from from a sole source perspective from from our perspective, that's a pretty good return, you know, keeping that that not controlling interest in health. Well, thanks, gentlemen. Mike.
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Our next question is from Liam Burke with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Question · B. Riley Securities
Liam BurkeAnalyst · B. Riley SecuritiesThank you.
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Good evening, Gary, Ryan, Jorge.
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Hi, Liam.
Question · B. Riley Securities
Liam BurkeAnalyst · B. Riley SecuritiesHow are you doing? Good. Thank you. Could we get some color on pre-construction activity? You talked about it in previous quarters being pretty elevated. Has that passed pre-construction activity? Rolled in the backlog or is that something we could anticipate for 2027? Yeah, Liam, the pre-construction activity, if you go back two, maybe two and a half years, something like that. During, over that period of time, you know, when we first started talking about pre-construction activities, we put about $3 billion of, you know, that work into backlog. And I'll say that every... Prospect that was in pre-construction turned into backlog other than those that are still pending. And as I commented a few minutes ago, we still expect probably about three quarters of a bill. So $750 million roughly over the next year to 15 months. And that will, and maybe, you know, year 15 months, 18 months, something like that. That should come into backlog. As well from pre-construction activities. Now, what we're seeing also is now starting to see more opportunities of things going into pre-construction. So we'll start to replenish that a little bit. We've been working down a $4 billion, $4.5 billion amount for for some time with little dribs and drabs going into pre-construction. I think we'll see more going into pre-construction. So after this 12, 15, 18 month period, we'll still have things that will be going into backlog from pre-construction. So the pipeline continues there too.
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Great. Thank you. And getting back to specialty contracting, you talked about a little bit of external work, but very profitable work that you're doing for projects for civil. Is there a capacity challenge that you see based on your opportunity pipelines? No, we're, look, um, you know, there are some shortages of electricians, uh, around the country in certain pockets, but, uh, we are very good with that. Uh, right now we, we are not facing any shortages there and, uh, we, we don't anticipate, um, having those issues, but at the same. I'm, we're always, um, you know, trying to manage to make sure that we stay ahead of the curve and with the, the work that we have, you're right. It's a very profitable. The work that we have in house that is supporting, you know, primarily civil projects. But also building projects. And then in some cases, third parties as well. Everything that is, is, you know, has been awarded in the last, you know, two, three years is performing extremely well. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Our next question is from Stephen Fisher with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Thanks.
Question · UBS
Stephen FisherAnalyst · UBSGood afternoon.
Just wanted to. Ask you about the black construction work. Sounds like some of that activity has been sort of in process for a while. Any particular uncertainties? Is it perhaps federal budget or anything that's holding that up? And then I guess similarly. On the civil side, curious what you're hearing from transportation agencies about kind of funding situation and whether uncertainties there about policy may be kind of holding up. Or elongating the awards process. Yeah, first part of your question, you know, we're not anticipating. Well, there's a lot of work there. The, you know, the biggest amount of work that's pending. Right now, there's some environmental reviews that need to be completed, and then that will, you know, allow those projects or this, you know, large particular project to be awarded. You know, it's, you know, that region, the Indo-Pacific region is a very important, you know. Part of our company and a growing part as, as you know, you know, following us over the past few years, but it's even more important to the, to the country, to the United States. The defense, you know, Pacific deterrence initiative. And working with, you know, the, the federal government and this, this part of the world, these programs are not going to be derailed. They won't be, you know, defunded in any way. And it is something that. Both sides of the aisle agree upon the importance of it. So, you know, there may be some delays what we're seeing, you know, from time to time. And, you know, sometimes it takes government a while to make a decision. But, but this.
- Gary SmalleyManagement
This work is going to proceed. And as I mentioned just a few minutes ago, there's going to be more of it than the 4.6 billion we're tracking right now. And then on the, you know, the second part of your question. Could you repeat that again? Just on the civil side, what you're hearing from transportation agencies in terms of any particular uncertainties around funding and highway policy, et cetera, that may be. Holding up awards. Yeah, there's there's nothing holding up awards right now, you know, most of what what we're doing, most of the funding is coming from the state and local level, and that's full steam ahead on the federal. Side of things. What we have read and what we've we've heard is that there appears to be some momentum and maybe that momentum will increase based on the results of the of the midterms for a new transportation bill. And additional funding. So, you know, we we are in great shape if there is no more federal funding, but expecting that there will be some more it's going to really just add to. The outstanding position we have in the backlog that we currently have. We have not factored that into to guidance in consideration of when we talked about 27 and double digit growth. You know, we're not assuming any additional funding. Coming from from the beds, but I would expect that to be quite honest with you, and that should be, you know, should be another positive as we look at 2027 and beyond.
Great. And then just, you know, with the backlog that you have today, you mentioned earlier that you're still ramping up on some of these programs. Just curious if there's any way to frame when you think you'd hit a. A peak level of burn just to kind of gauge when we might be able to start thinking about having some visibility to taking in some of the contingencies that you have. Do you think, you know, you'd still be ramping through all of 2027? And maybe you're, you're not even going to hit kind of a full burn rate on these in 2028. We're just curious how to kind of frame the duration of this ramp. Yeah, I think if you look at what week currently have a backlog, then I would say that the peak is probably somewhere in 2028, maybe the latter part of 2028, something like that. But keep, keep in mind that when you come off the peak, it's not. You just don't fall to nothing for the peak. It starts to wind down after the peak. If we were not to book anything else, after the peak is still going to be, you know, very good times for us. But, you know, certainly between. Now and then we're going to be booking other work and in that work is going to be profitable and it's going to replace some of the work that burns off as well. So so to I wouldn't say that 28. It would be a peak for the company that we would never be able to to grow from. I'm just saying that based on the work that we have right now, but I would say we're going to continue to grow beyond 28 also.
There's just too many opportunities. And we're well positioned, so well positioned on too many of them for us not to continue to grow.
Question · UBS
Stephen FisherAnalyst · UBSThanks, Gary.
- Management
Thank you, Steve.
- Management
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- Management
End of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Gary Smalley for closing comments.
- Gary SmalleyManagement
Thank you, everyone, for your interest in participation today. We look forward to continuing to deliver shareholder value. Strong shareholder value. And also reporting an eighth consecutive quarter of outstanding results when we speak to you again next time. You know, really excited about where this company is. We've come a long way over the last few years. A lot of you have been with us for a long time and waited for this story to develop. We appreciate your patience and you can see the good things coming together now. And, you know, I keep saying that this is just the tip of the ice. Or make comments, you know, there are a lot more good quarters to come. I really believe that as we continue to have this wonderful visibility into our future work and and we continue to even surpass. Our high expectations, so we we hope to continue to create value and to demonstrate that your your faith, confidence and patience with us was was the right thing. So. So thank you again and we'll talk to you soon.
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