SPHR earnings / call
SPHR Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 5, 2026
Sphere Entertainment Co. Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
- Management 18%
- James Dolan 18%
- Robert 12%
- Analysts 7%
- Operator 5%
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James Dolan
Executive Chairman and CEO
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Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:00
Today's call, we begin with our executive chairman and CEO Jim Dolan, who will provide an update on our business. Robert Langer, our executive vice president, chief financial officer and treasurer, will then review our financial results for the period.
After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today's earnings release, it is available in the investor section of our corporate website. Please take note of the following. Today's discussion may... ...contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainty. ...that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for a discussion of risks and uncertainties. The company disclaims any obligation... ...to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. On pages four and five of today's earnings release, we provide consolidated statements of operations and a reconciliation of operating income to... ...adjusted operating income or AOI, a non-GAAP financial measure. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jim.
- James DolanExecutive Chairman and CEO
Thank you, Ari, and good morning, everyone. For today's call, I'd like to focus on two areas that remain important to our long-term vision for SPHR. Our plans for a global network of SPHR venues and developing a diverse slate of original content. In Abu Dhabi, construction is moving forward. The venue's underground infrastructure is currently being installed. Procurement is also underway, with the general contractor starting to award key contracts. Construction remains on track to be completed by the end of 2029. Last week, the public incentive package for SPHR at National Harbor was passed by the local county government. However, there remains an additional county vote related to the package, which is expected to take place no longer. Later than February, we are also working through a number of other open items before we turn back to the financing for the balance of the project. We'll continue to keep you updated. At the same time, we remain in discussion with a significant number of other markets around the world. That includes advancing our plans for the next SPHR project, which we anticipate will be located in the U.S. We expect to have more news to share. this project in the coming months. Moving to original content. Production is well underway on the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Rocky Horror will expand our content slate to a new genre and help drive the number of SPHR. experience showings to a new high next year. We expect to debut the production by the end of March, which would be the fastest time to market for a SPHR experience. This reflects the technology advancements we've made in content production.
as well as our learnings from the Wizard of Oz. Since late September, we've been showing an enhanced version of the Wizard of Oz, which has been well received. The show has now sold over 4.3 million tickets for approximately 500. $140 million in ticket sales since its debut last year. With respect to From the Edge, we have completed a substantial portion of the production, and while we have determined that the original concept didn't work, we're exploring ways to create an immersive experience with the footage captured. At the same time, we continue to have active discussions with Hollywood Studios to use existing IP for future sphere experience. So in summary, we continue to advance our plans for additional venues and content as we move closer to our goal of a global network of sphere venues. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Robert, who will take you through.
- RobertManagement
our financial results. Thank you, Jim. And good morning, everyone. For the September quarter, we generated total company revenues of $274.3 million and a trusted operating income of $39.2 million. Our Sphere segment generated revenues of $198.9 million, an increase of 14% compared to the prior year period. This growth was mainly driven by the Sphere experience, reflecting additional performances and higher personal revenues. In the last year quarter, the Sphere experience included 241 performances of The Visit of Oz, as compared to a combined 220 performances of The Visit of Oz, Postcard from Earth, and VU2, an immersive concert film in the prior year quarter. As a reminder, The Visit of Oz launched on August 28th, 2025, in the year-ago period. We also saw revenue growth in extra-stair advertising, sponsorship, and suite license fees, as well as concert residencies. Quarter-adjusted operating income for our sphere segment was $32.4 million, as compared to $17.1 million in the prior year quarter. This reflected the increase in revenues, partially offset by higher direct operating and SG&A. The increase in direct operating expenses was primarily driven by the sphere experience, reflecting higher per-show expenses as well as additional performances. As mentioned, the current year quarter solely reflected the visit of Oz. As compared to showings of the visit of Oz, Postcard from Earth, and VU2 in the prior year quarter. SG&A expenses for the third quarter were $98.3 million. An increase of $5.6 million as compared to the prior year quarter. This was primarily due to...
higher employee compensation and related benefits. This increase was partially offset by the impact of mark-to-market adjustments for certain share-based compensation awards, driven by the decrease in company stock price during the quarter. MSG networks, the segment generated $75.4 million in revenues and $6.8 million in AUI in the third quarter. This compares to $88.4 million in revenues and $19.3 million in AUI in the prior year period. These year-over-year results primarily reflect an approximately 15.5% decrease in subscribers. In addition, in connection with the company's annual Goodwill Impairment Test, we recently reassessed the fair market value of the MSG network. And in light of the ongoing challenges facing MSG networks, we took a non-cash Goodwill Impairment Charge, which you can see in today's operating income results. Turning to our balance sheet, as of September 30th, our... ...the business had approximately $501 million of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents, $259 million in convertible debt, and the $275 million term loan related to SPHR in Las Vegas. At MSG Networks... ...as of September 30th, net debt was approximately $80 million. This included $106 million outstanding on the MSG Networks Term Loan, which, as a reminder, is debt that is recourse only to MSG Networks. And with that, we'll now open...
- Q&A7:14
- Operator
...the call for questions. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking... to allow for optimum sound quality. If you're muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of David Karnofsky with... J.P. Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Hey, thank you.
Jim, on the prior earnings call, you spoke to an expectation for an announcement on Sphere expansion, if not by the end of 26th, then by... Q1 of next year. So, I just wanted to check in on that and see if that timeline is how you're still thinking about new location announcements. Yes. No, that's the, the, uh, we're, uh, you know, I, uh, I think likely is still this quarter, right? The, the rather than next quarter, um, and, you know, we're still, we're still on track. So stay tuned. Okay. And then, you know, in the last few months, we've obviously seen a jump in interest rates today, uh, notwithstanding, but can you just discuss how, uh, that impacts any discussion around, uh, National Harbor financing? Or even just, uh, sphere expansion conversations generally. Well, I'd answer that, but Digger's signaling me across the table that he really wants to answer. Sure. So, um, the interest rate environment has not affected any of our expansion conversations. Um, as we look at all of our discussions, uh, nothing's been slowed down or paused due to, uh, interest rates. Our potential partners, they recognize the attract. of a sphere venue based on the proven business model in Las Vegas. And that really is the conversations we have with them. With respect to National Harbor, as Jim mentioned, we're working through a number of open items before we turn back to the financing and we'll keep you posted on that.
Thanks.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brandon Ross with Light Shed Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · LightShed Partners
LBrandon RossAnalyst · LightShed PartnersHey, thanks for taking the questions. Jim, WAZ has been really successful, but the results you're showing is clearly maturing. Do you need a faster cadence of bigger studio IP to ensure that the SPHR experience stays? Fresh and exciting. And you said in the prepared you were having discussions. What are the puts and takes to getting those discussions finalized? Well... First up, I mean, is WAZ maturing? I guess a little bit, but it's maturing. But I expect that 10 years from now, we'll still be showing WAZ somewhere in one of our spheres.
- Management
So there's still a great deal of value left in that content. And then, for instance, we have Rocky Horror that we're working on now. Which is going great. I'm very excited. Y'all need to learn the Time Warp.
- Management
But, you know, when we go to Rocky Horror, it doesn't mean that we're going to stop showing Wizard of Oz. Rocky Horror is kind of a little more adult programming, right? So likely we'll run Rocky Horror more towards the later part of the day and have showings of Wizard of Oz earlier part of the day, more family-oriented, you know, product. As far as, you know, negotiating for the IP from studios for that kind of product, I mean, it's just what you think it would be. It's a give and take and it's the usual thing. Which is that, you know, they either want to check or they want to participate. We generally don't do both. So if you want to take a risk with us, sure. Right. But you take the risk with us. But if you want, you know, guaranteed sure money, then that's what you do. And, you know, I think that you'll see the overall cost. Stay where it is. The seems appropriate for for what we're doing.
- Management
Right. And you mentioned quickly that from the edge was having some issues. Can you tell us more about why that original concept didn't work? And if it means anything for the non-studio concepts as opposed to what we just discussed. Yeah, well. Look, from the edge, we went to the edge and unfortunately we went over the edge.
- Management
And, you know, we learned a lot from it. We got some great. Some great content over it. But overall, the concept wasn't strong enough and wasn't, you know, honestly executed well enough, right, to warrant it, you know, taking it. Up the space in SPHR. I mean, you know, and this I think you're going to see this dynamic go on and become stronger and stronger as the business grows, which is that the most valuable thing. Is the slots, right? The airing slots in the SPHR itself. So it has to be content that's worthy of that. And we already have, you know, content like Wizard of Oz. We didn't actually think that what we were going to produce with From the Edge was going to outperform a Wizard of Oz or a Rocky, right, or a concert, etc. And so therefore, we didn't move forward with it. We'll repurpose the content until we get something that comes up to that level.
- Management
Perfect. Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Matt Condon with Citizens Bank.
Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Citizens JMP
Matt CondonAnalyst · Citizens JMPGreat.
Thanks for taking the questions.
Jim, I just wanted to follow up on your comments from last quarter that you expect three to four sphere experiences playing by the end of 2027. Is that still the expectation? Yes. And you already know some of them, right? But we are still working on more content. And just to give you an update on that. What we are seeing, for instance, with Rocky Horror is we're seeing that we're able to produce it a little less expensively, a little more efficiently. So it's going to be like Rocky Horror will. Cost less money and will be faster to market from concept inception. And I expect that that trajectory will continue for quite a while.
- Management
Great. That's helpful. And then maybe just given the recent weakness in Las Vegas visitation, how do you think about the underlying trends for the Wizard of Oz? You know, are you still seeing evidence that spheres maintaining a relative relatively consistent share of visitors, or if there's some more natural moderation and demand as the production matures. Not sure. Can you? I'm not sure what you're asking there. I mean, I'll just talk. about the Las Vegas market, which, you know, it had a less than stellar summer. Of course, if you were in Las Vegas this summer, you would understand why, because it was about 110 degrees. But we're learning, we're continuing to learn more about the Las Vegas market, and we are also, that learning is transferring into other markets that we're looking at for spheres. The seasonality of it, things like conventions coming in, coming out. I mean, did this convention hit? Did it not hit? Those kinds of things. And we're continuing to build algorithms that tell us and predict what the market's going to do. Given that, I don't think anybody expected as much of a fall off this summer. But I will tell you that the algorithms say that it's going to be a very strong fourth and first quarter. And so. We'll continue to refine them, refine the model that the Wizard of Oz, as well as I'm sure Akihara, et cetera, will be market sensitive. I mean, it's not like, you know, we've had four.
- Management
A million people, I think it is, see the Wizard of Oz. There's, you know, over 40 million people that visit Vegas every year. So we still got another 36 million to burn through. And then we have new content for them, et cetera. But the overall performance of SPHR and that content is definitely market sensitive.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Peter Stupino with Wolf Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Wolfe Research
Logan IngressAnalyst · Wolfe ResearchHi, this is Logan Ingress on for Peter. Jim, on your... Film strategy, so far your licensed IP has been older library content like Wizard of Oz and Rocky Horror. Are you also open to licensing newer, splashier IP, or do you think licensed IP will primarily... ...remain older library content that studios aren't actively monetizing elsewhere?
- James DolanExecutive Chairman and CEO
Yeah, it's a good question, right? I mean, there's a couple of factors involved with it, but I will tell you that... We don't rely on the popularity of IP, right, to drive ticket sales. It's much more about how much of an experience we... you can create for the customer. And that's what sells. And of course, then there's this fear itself. I mean, that people just want to come. I mean, I think we could, you know, we could show the three little pigs in there and we'll still get people coming because they want to go. Out of the sphere. They want to see what it is. They want to experience it, etc. But the selection of IP, right, is, you know, that's what we look for is what we can create with an experience. The older content is kind of interesting because you know, it's the ability to take something like The Wizard of Oz from the 30s and turn it into something from, you know, that's present day with all the bells and whistles that come with it that make it really interesting. uh the newer content it's it's still going to date no matter what content it is if it's been if it's been film or tv related it's going to require something called upresing right the it's because of the nature of the screen it's a four acre. screen and even if you take like a uh like a 4k product right of which there isn't really a lot of out there that the and you stretch it onto that screen it becomes quite fuzzy etc so we need to use the uh
ai the tools that we've developed in order to up rest those that the uh so you know it's uh the new products could be interesting if we could create enough of experience right if it's an outer space right we we really want you to feel like you're in outer space so if we can achieve that that the then we'll consider the product great thank you
- Operator
your next question comes from the line of steven lasik with goldman sachs your line is open please go ahead
great thank you jim thinking longer term could you give us an update on the conversations you're having around new sphere franchise around the world what markets are top of mind what regions are top of mind uh and what the timeline could potentially look like as you look out to expand uh the sphere network outside the us thank you yeah um you know we can continue to uh develop and refine the model that we look at to go into other marketplaces i i will say that the you know one of the big factors um is environment right other words you know we loved when we were looking to build in london we loved the london market we thought the london market was going to do great um etc but what we didn't take into account enough was the environment which in this case was the governmental environment that the so as we look at each one of the marketplaces we're we're assessing you know how much market there is i mean you take a look at a market like tokyo with 90 million people right that's pretty good marketplace but that they but then you also have to take a look at the governmental aspects and how long it will take to build and do they really want a project like ours um and those all go into factoring uh you know whether we're going to go forward or not but i will say that you know it does it you know we really we have the financing available right that the um so financing really isn't an issue that the uh so then the next question is
which market how good of a market will be how long it will take to build and how expensive it will be to build those are all factors that go into it um we're getting better at being able to analyze markets and and determine what will be good and uh and what might be problematic and uh i think you'll see by our next announcement that we're we're we're doing pretty well with it and i think we're we're only going to pick markets where we think we can be
- Operator
thank you your next question comes from the line of cameron manson perron with morgan stanley your line is open please go ahead thank you morning uh jim i wanted to
follow up on something you said about rocky horror earlier which is just about kind of day parting and the outlook for that to be to fulfill uh kind of later in the night or evening slot um do you see pot like potential for that to be screened more frequently than just the late night part and how do you think about weighing the balance between wizard of oz and and moving rocky into earlier day parts well it's it's really all an algorithm right that the uh you know um it's knowing you know it's knowing who's in the market the um at that particular time that the uh and you know which one will appeal to them more and you know the more data we can get on that will help us continue to to schedule right are the with some products like like uh wizard of oz um you know the mornings aren't you know are are are possible sundays might be better because it's more family-oriented product you know they showing rocky horror picture show at 11 a.m on a sunday morning right the people who we really want to have go to rocky horror picture shows especially in vegas they're not awake yet obviously you couldn't get them to do anything at 11 o'clock in the morning so i mean that we're just going to continue to work on the algorithm and and attempt to maximize ticket sales understood that's helpful and then separately any update on the outlook for exosphere and your broader sponsorship business as we look forward to the fourth quarter and into 27.
i'm going to give that one to jen goster so we continue to see great momentum in this area of our business um you know significant growth in this category this quarter and typically this is probably our slowest quarter from a seasonal perspective uh we watch you know major brands like google bringing forth their viral campaign featuring global k-pop band like pts to bring these high impact moments um that are that are often built in the zeitgeist of what's happening and i think that's really attracted to brands and we continue to see a strong pipeline there um as we think about the next quarter which is probably seasonally our strongest quarter we continue to make progress expanding those roster of official partners we recently announced lift to our growing list of sponsors and we've got a strong pipeline of deals behind them so we expect to share more in the coming months but again we you know we see this area of our business with substantial growth opportunity for 2027 and beyond you know just to add to that there's there's two aspects of the exosphere right that are continuing to show improvement the uh one which is that we're we're seeing more and more companies products etc want to debut their their uh you know their products and their announcements on the sphere um because you know it's not just the vegas market it's a viral market and when you take your your product whether it's a new movie or or a new hard product etc and you put it out sphere you get a you get a lot of coverage really world worldwide so
the other thing that that actually that that I'm really kind of happy about is that our sponsors themselves have really embraced the medium so if you take a look at at their you know at their content at what they're putting up on the sphere it's interesting it's it's exciting and that's what we want for for the exosphere we want people to keep looking at the exosphere and see well what's on it now and who did this and what does it look like and and and i we're really seeing um you know like i said the sponsors uh embrace that they're investing in the content and putting some pretty amazing stuff up on the sphere
thank you for the questions
operator we have time for one last follow your final question comes from the line of peter henderson with bank of america your line is open please go ahead good morning and thank you for taking the questions so just wondering as you if you look ahead to the calendar 27 and as wizard of oz matured a bit further and you face tougher comparisons do you expect the las vegas sphere business to grow year over year and just how should we think about contributions from concert residency sponsorship and new content to driving growth in 27. well we definitely expect growth the monthly but you know where it comes from it's we were learning still about you know how to maximize revenue at sphere both from exosphere to what the content is inside from residencies etc. so I expect most of the growth to come from that the you know it's you know when we when we built this sphere the model what was for a venue that was busy 365 days a year and we've achieved that right that they they're literally every day of the year is busy so so the capital you invested in the in the project right there's much quicker to it. so but we'll continue to work on utilization because it's it's utilization and then of course how many tickets you sell per event etc that's going to drive the growth. thank you. we have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Ari for closing remarks.
- Operator
thank you all for joining us. we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. have a good day.
this concludes today's call.
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- Operator
you may now disconnect.