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SEZL Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 4, 2026

Third Quarter 2026 Earnings

  • Charlie Uakeem 40%
  • Management 20%
  • Lee Brading 18%
  • Charlie Uakim 0%
  • Analysts 18%

Management

  • Charlie Uakeem

    CEO and Executive Chairman of SEZL

    18 min

  • Lee Brading

    Chief Financial Officer

    8 min

  • Charlie Uakim

    Management

    <1 min

Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.

  1. Prepared remarks2:09
  2. Good. Good day, and welcome to the SEZL Inc. 3rd quarter, 2026 earnings conference call. Today, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance during today's call, please signal for a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note that today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Charlie Uakeem, Executive Chairman and CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

  3. Charlie UakeemCEO and Executive Chairman of SEZL

    Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. And welcome to SEZL third quarter, 2026 earnings call. I'm Charlie Uakeem, CEO and Executive Chairman of SEZL. I'm joined today by our CFO, Lee Braiding, my co-founder and company president, Paul Paradis, and head of IR and corp dev, Jack Fagan. In conjunction with. this conference call, we filed our earnings announcement with the SEC and posted it along with our earnings presentation on our investor website at SEZL.com. To retrieve the documents, please go to the investor relations section of the website. Please be advised of the cautionary note on forward looking statements and the reconciliation of gap to. measures included in the presentation, which also covers our statements on today's calls. Before getting into the results, I want to talk about how I'm looking at the third quarter. We've spent a good part of this year building and launching new products. I'm incredibly proud of what our teams have accomplished this year. We've spent a good deal of time researching which products made sense with strategy sessions and customer surveys and panels, but the real test is whether consumers actually use the product after we launch it and whether it adds value to their relationship with SEZL and ultimately whether it helps us build a better business. We saw one of our early product launches this year do just that. PAN5 was a home run product launch for us. The results match the research. It's become a much used and much loved variant of our core BNPL product.

  4. And this quarter, we're starting to get some more answers. SEZL cash. Looks like it's going to be another great product for us, but it's still not putting up significant numbers just because it's starting from scratch. And SEZL Send, our P2P product, that one looks like it still needs some fine tuning to make a significant impact in future years. But again, really small volumes. But we just wanted to give you the early reads. All of this activity is helping, though. It adds up. We're seeing purchase frequency continue to increase, and we're seeing stronger monetization as consumers engage more deeply with the platform. We're still in the learning and improvement phase with some of these offerings, like Send and Cash. Volumes are so small relative to our base product that it will take many months for them to catch up and have truly measurable numbers relative to the existing products, but what is encouraging is that we're beginning to see the different pieces of our strategy work together, and we're doing that while maintaining the financial discipline that's been so important. important to our success. We continue to keep our OPEX growth in check while we grow the team and launch new offerings for our consumers. That's how I want to frame today's results. It's not just about how much we've built. It's about what those investments are starting to deliver. With that, let's turn to slide three.

  5. Total transaction volume, which expands our traditional GMB measure to include SEZL cash and SEZL send, grew 34.9% year-over-year, while total revenue increased 42.6%. We generated $47.8 million of net income and $70.2 million of adjusted. And total revenue, less transaction-related costs came in at 64.7% of revenue, near the upper end of the range we've consistently targeted. Those are strong results, but I think the more important story is what's happening with our consumers. We ended the quarter with 955,000. active subscribers, up 68.1% year-over-year, putting us within reach of 1 million subscribers. And average quarterly transaction frequency reached 7.8 times, compared to 6.5 times a year ago. Importantly, that now includes not only purchases, but also SEZL cash advances and SEZL send payments. That's an important distinction because we're giving consumers more reasons to use SEZL beyond shopping. And to me, that's exactly what we've been working toward. Given the strength of the business, we're also raising our full-year outlook. We now expect revenue growth of approximately 42.5%, adjusted net income of $190 million, and adjusted net income per diluted share of $5.45 to $5.50. We've also introduced a preliminary adjusted net income per diluted share outlook of $7.20. for 2027. Lee will walk through the financial details and outlook later in the call. But before we get there, I want to spend some time talking about what's driving these results and why we believe the consumer relationship continues to strengthen. Let's start with subscriptions. On slide four, you can see the

  6. continued progress we're making with subscriptions. We added another 101,000 net new subscribers in the third quarter, following the record 140,000 we added in Q2. That brings us to 955,000 active subscribers and puts us within reach of 1 million. One thing I want to call out is our because we spent quite a bit of time talking about it last quarter. In Q2, we deliberately pushed spending higher to see how far we could go while staying within our six-month marketing payback threshold. We also said at the time that it was a test, not necessarily a new run rate. In the third quarter, we brought marketing spend down to $15.9 million from $19.4 million, while continuing to grow our subscriber base. Our philosophy hasn't changed. If we find opportunities to acquire high-value consumers at attractive returns, we're going to pursue them. But we're not interested in that. We're not interested in growing subscribers just for the sake of growing subscribers. Based on this test, we like the lower marketing run rate spend level. We think it gives us a nice margin of safety while still delivering long-term results. And I think that's where the engagement metrics on this slide become particularly important. On average, our subscribers are making nine more transactions per quarter than non-subscribers. And importantly, that now includes not just traditional purchases, but also SEZL cash advances and SEZL send payments.

  7. So we're getting a more complete picture of how consumers are engaging with SEZL across different financial needs. Not just... when they're shopping. To me, that's really what we're trying to accomplish. We want to keep giving consumers reasons to come back and use SEZL more often. And we're continuing to add to that value proposition. More recently, we introduced Subscription Saver, which helps Anywhere Subscribers identify managing... ...recurring subscriptions they no longer need. It's one more practical way we can deliver value to our consumers. And that same thinking is driving our broader product strategy. Whether consumers are shopping, converting a short-term cash need, or sending money to someone else, we're finding new ways to make SEZL more useful in their... our everyday lives. We've made a lot of progress on that front this year. Part of what gives me confidence in the direction is the pace at which our teams have continued to deliver new products. And when you look at what we've accomplished throughout 2026 on slide five, it's not just one big product launch. It's a series of additions that we are... making to make SEZL more useful for our consumers. We started the year with Pay in Five, added the virtual card offering in Canada, expanded our long-term lending capabilities, and introduced SEZL Mobile. Then we launched SEZL Cash, giving eligible anywhere consumers access to funds for short-term cash needs.

  8. Without having to make a purchase. And we also introduced SEZL Send, which remained in beta throughout the third quarter before we opened it up more broadly to SEZL users at the beginning of October. This brings the flexibility of installment payments to everyday money transfers. Now each of these products serves a different purpose, but the strategy... ...behind them is the same. We're giving consumers more reasons to choose SEZL and more reasons to keep coming back. We also did an updated study earlier this year on SEZL UP, our pro bono credit builder. It turns out that for our on-time subprime customers, they are lifting their credit score on average of 17 points. in four months. That's an amazing result for a group of consumers that can benefit greatly from a credit score list like that. And it's there in the product set and has been there for years. Importantly, not every new product needs to be a significant standalone revenue driver. Look at SEZL UP. It's free for our consumers to join. Some products are designed to attract new consumers. Others to improve engagement and retention. And others like UP to do the right thing for our consumers. In the end, what matters is the value they all create in the overall platform. Looking ahead, we've also soft launched SEZL Anywhere in Canada at the start of the fourth quarter. This brings our subscription model and open-loop virtual card capabilities to the Canadian customer, allowing them to use SEZL wherever Visa is accepted in Canada.

  9. But launching new products is really only the first step. The more important question is what consumers actually do with them once they're available. And with SEZL Cash, we're starting to see some encouraging... results that I think are worth spending a little more time on. We rolled out SEZL Cash in June. So the third quarter was our first full quarter of seeing how consumers use the product. And the early results are encouraging. As a reminder, SEZL Cash allows eligible Anywhere subscribers to access funds for short-term cash needs without... having to make a purchase. So whether it's paying a bill, covering an unexpected expense, or something that simply doesn't accept a card, we're giving consumers another way to manage their everyday finances. One of the clearest signals we're seeing is how consumers are getting started. In the third quarter, more than 15% of eligible new Anywhere subscribers made their very first transaction with SEZL Cash. That's a meaningful number. We're seeing consumers sign up for SEZL Anywhere, a product that has historically been centered around shopping, and their first transaction isn't a purchase, it's a cash advance. That suggests SEZL Cash may be attracting consumers who wouldn't have necessarily considered an Anywhere subscription for BMPL alone. And that potentially opens up an entirely new avenue for subscriber acquisition. But there's another part of the story. More than 60% of new Anywhere subscribers who started with SEZL Cash also went on to make

  10. a BMPL purchase. And when we look at all SEZL Cash users during the third quarter, more than 90% also use SEZL for BMPL purchases. We're also seeing repeat engagement with the product itself, with more than 60% of SEZL Cash users taking multiple advances during the quarter. Now we're still early, and we're continuing to be thoughtful about how we can grow and manage the product, but the opportunity is becoming clearer. SEZL Cash may be bringing consumers into our subscription offerings who wouldn't have used us or reached us otherwise. And we're seeing many of those consumers go on to use our traditional BMPL products. With SEZL Send, we're exploring another avenue for reaching consumers, but this time through something entirely different, sending money to another person. SEZL Send is a different kind of product for us. It was in beta throughout the third quarter, and we opened it up more broadly to SEZL users at the beginning of October. So we're still at an early stage of understanding how consumers will use it, and we're still actively working on tweaking the offering to make it a hit. The concept displayed on slide 7 is straightforward. You can send money to someone using their phone number, either paying in full or splitting the payment into five installments. And regardless of what you're doing, you can send money to another person. Regardless of how the sender chooses to pay, the recipient receives the full amount upfront. Where this becomes a new avenue for SEZL is in how it can introduce people to the platform. When one of our consumers sends money to somebody who doesn't use SEZL, that recipient has a reason to sign up and experience our product for the first time.

  11. Instead of coming to us through a merchant or an advertisement, they're being introduced through someone they know. So we're creating a potential acquisition channel that's built directly into how consumers use the product. But to be clear, this is a new behavior for consumers within the SEZL app. Sending money is different from shopping. Someone receiving their first transfer, there's an onboarding experience involved. So broader adoption may take some time. SEZL cash addresses a more immediate financial need for eligible Anywhere subscribers. SEZL send involves getting consumers comfortable using SEZL in a new way, including people who may never. have interacted with our platform before. We like the potential here. But we're going to be thoughtful about building it out and learning from how consumers actually use it. And while we're exploring new offerings like SEZL send, we're also continuing to invest in the products we've already built. Slide 8 is a good example. We originally launched SEZL up back in 2021, becoming the first BNPL platform in North America to give consumers the option to report their short-term installment payments to the credit bureaus. More recently, we've focused on making that experience easier and more accessible. We've expanded eligibility, simplified enrollment, and refreshed the design. We're also working on adding features like in-app credit scores, credit monitoring, and alerts.

  12. And we're already seeing some encouraging results from those changes. Following our September enhancements, enrollment conversion increased 18%, and average weekly enrollments nearly doubled. So this isn't about introducing something new. It's about continuing to improve a product we've had for years, and making it more useful for more consumers. And beyond helping consumers build their credit, we've also been investing in financial education and finding better ways to learn directly from our users, as seen on slide nine. Money IQ is one part of that effort. Through the program, more than 338,000 consumers have completed over 2 million financial education modules, representing more than 68,000 hours of learning. And in our March survey, 91% of respondents said Money IQ was helpful in making financial decisions. But we're also learning from our consumers. Our Gen Z Advisory Council gives younger consumers a direct way to tell us what they like, what they'd change, and what they'd like to see next. And we're putting that feedback to work across products like Sezzle Send, Sezzle Up, and our rewards offerings. It's a two-way relationship. We're helping consumers become more informed about their finances while they're helping us build better products. And as we continue to improve these products, AI is playing an increasingly important role in how quickly and efficiently we can deliver. AI continues to be a major focus across Sezzle, and slide 10 shows some meaningful progress since our last update.

  13. We've talked before about embedding AI throughout our organization, what I want to highlight this quarter is the impact we're seeing from those efforts. On the consumer side, 40% of support contacts now end with our AI agent, without requiring any human involvement, and we're seeing strong consumer information. consumer satisfaction from those interactions as well. Based on our post-contact surveys, AI interactions are 1.4 times as likely to receive a top satisfaction score compared to human-handled tickets. Internally, we're seeing similar progress. More than 90% of our engineering merges in the third quarter involved AI, and we're seeing a 43% year-over-year increase in code changes merged per engineer. We're also getting more efficient in how we use these tools with AI costs per unit of work declining 27% sequentially. These are the great results we're looking for. More consumer support handled without human intervention, greater output from our engineering teams, and improving cost efficiency. It's one thing to adopt AI across an organization. It's another to see that adoption translate into measurable improvement in how the business operates. And while a lot of this work happens behind the scenes, the ultimate measure of our progress is how consumers are engaging with SEZL. The metrics on slide 11 give you a good picture of how this is all coming together. First, we're continuing to see strong engagement in our core shopping business.

  14. Average quarterly frequency reached 7.8 times, up from 6.5 times a year ago. That now includes BNPL purchases along with SEZL cash and SEZL send payments. Giving us a broader view of how consumers are using the platform. Across the platform, total transactions increased 30.1% year over year to 12.4 million. Repeat usage also remains strong at 97.4% of total transactions, up 80 basis points year over year. The number I'd like to leave you with is average quarterly revenue per monetized user, which increased 28.1% year over year to $41. We've spent a lot of time today talking about our investments in subscriptions, new products, and the consumer experience. These are the measures that help us evaluate whether those investments are paying off. Consumers are shopping with us more frequently. They're engaging with a broader range of SEZL products, and we're generating more revenue per monetized user. There's still plenty of work ahead of us, but we're encouraged by the progress we're making and confident in the direction of the business. With that, I'll turn it over to Lee to watch.

  15. Lee BradingChief Financial Officer

    Talk through the financial results in more detail. Thanks, Charlie. I'll start on slide 12. Total revenue increased 42.6% year-over-year to $166.5 million. Net income rose 79.3% to $47.8 million, and adjusted net income grew 89.9% to $47.7 million. As you can see, it was a solid quarter of growth coupled with margin expansion. Driven by margin improvements, profit grew roughly twice as fast as revenue, as we more than doubled the threshold for the Rule of 40. Total revenue-less transaction-related costs rose 10.5 points to 64.7% of total revenue. at the top of our 55% to 65% target range. Non-transaction-related operating expenses were 27.8% of revenue, up .7 points year-over-year, but down 1.2 points from Q2. On slide 13, you'll notice a change in how we measure volume. Starting this quarter, click that crack in, order! Total transaction volume, or TTV, is our primary measure of overall volume. Our products now go beyond the checkout, so TTV includes volume from SEZL Cash and SEZL Send, which GNV did not capture. We recapped prior periods to the TTV definition, so every comparison on these slides is apples to apples. 2.3 TTV grew 34.9% year-over-year to a new company high of $1.4 billion, an 11.6% sequential increase. Growth was driven by our SEZL Anywhere and SEZL Premium subscribers, plus the launch of SEZL Cash in June. Total revenue grew faster than volume at 42.6%. Revenue as a percentage at TTV was 11.9%, up 60 basis points year-over-year, and flat with Q2.

  16. As a reminder of seasonality, revenue yield is usually highest in Q1 and lowest in Q4, so we expect it to step down in the fourth quarter.

  17. Turning to the unit economics on slide. slides 14 through 16. As a reminder, transaction-related cost is a non-GAAP measure that combines transaction expense, provision for credit losses, and net interest expense. Revenue-less transaction-related cost is what we also refer to as net transaction margin. On slide 14, transaction-related costs for Q3 were $58.8 million. Or 4.2% of TTV, down from 5.2% a year ago. As a percentage of revenue, they fell more than 10 points to 35.3%. Slide 15 breaks out the three main components of transaction-related costs, transaction expense, provision for credit losses, and net interest expense. Most of the decrease in transaction expense as a percentage of TTV is attributed to us signing an exclusive arrangement visa for our U.S. credit products. During the quarter, we recognized a $3.7 million benefit from the arrangement. Excluding this benefit, transaction expense would have been about 1.6% of TTV. Still an improvement on the 1.6% of TTV is a percentage of TTV. We've run for the past several quarters. The provision for credit losses was 2.7% of TTV, down from 3.1% a year ago. The step up from Q2 is the normal seasonal pattern from Q1 as the low point because of tax refunds and the provision climbing through the year from there. Due to date, the provision is about 2.2% of TTV. With the move to TTV, we're updating full-year guidance to approximately 2.5% of TTV, from 2.5% to 3% of GMV, which still allows for the usual seasonal rise in Q4.

  18. Net interest expense fell 29% year-over-year to 2.5%. or 0.2% of TTV. That reflects the new $300 million credit facility we entered into in May at a lower rate, plus SEZL cash and SEZL send now being handled through our loan facility with WebBank. That brings us to slide 16. Net transaction margin was $107.7 million, up 70% year-over-year. 4.7% of total revenue. Even without the payment network benefit, we would have been around 62.5%, comfortably in the upper half of our 55% to 65% target range. Our focus on costs extends to non-transaction-related operating expenses on slide 17. Costs were $46.2 million or 27.8% of revenue, down from 29% in Q2. Marketing came in at $15.9 million, down from $19.4 million in Q2, and consistent with what we talked about in Q2. As Charlie noted earlier, Q2 was a deliberate test of higher spend, not a new run rate. Marketing is still up 81% year-over-year, and we'll keep putting dollars to work wherever the math supports a payback of less than six months. The investments we made in Q2 are already showing up, with active subscribers reaching $955,000. We're also getting operating leverage in other areas. Personal expense grew 17%. against revenue growth of 43%, helped by the AI productivity gains Charlie described. Third-party technology and data grew faster as we scaled cloud infrastructure for higher volume and three new products. Corporate strategic project costs were $2.4 million this quarter for two projects. First, our antitrust case.

  19. Remains in discovery, which we expect to continue through 2027. Second, we submitted our application for a national bank charter in October. Both are long-term investments in SEZL, and we add these costs back in our adjusted figures. On slide 18, net income was $47.8 million, a 28.7% margin. That's up 79% year-over-year, even though our effective tax rate rose 22.1% from 15.7% a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA was $70.2 million, up 77% year-over-year, with a 42.1% margin. We continue to keep our adjustments to a minimum. Adjusted net income was $70.2 million, up 77% year-over-year, with a 42.1% margin. Plus $47.7 million. The relatively minor difference with gap net income is attributed to the difference of discrete tax benefit, all set against the after-tax add-back of corporate strategic project costs. You can also see our seasonality here. Q1 and Q4 are typically our strongest quarters for bottom-line performance.

  20. Slide 19 shows we remain well-capitalized with plenty of liquidity and low leverage. At quarter-end, we had about $239 million in liquidity, made up of $70.1 million of unrestricted cash and $169.3 million of availability in our $300 million line of credit. We had $104 million. and drawn on the line, down from $118 million a year ago, even as notes receivable grew 72% to $315.9 million. Total debt is about 0.4 times trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA and 0.4 times equity. The business continues to fund itself. Year-to-date cash from operations was... ...$227.9 million, up 64%. Stockholders' equity grew 79% year-over-year to $277.7 million. Year-to-date, we have also returned capital as we have repurchased $28 million of stock under a $100 million program this year. Which brings me to slide 20. We first got into... $4.35 of adjusted EPS for 2026 a year ago. And this is our fourth raise since. We now expect total revenue growth of approximately 42.5% for 2026, up from 35%. We're also raising adjusted net income guidance to $190 million from $185 million. And adjusted net income per diluted share... compared to $5.45 to $5.50, up from $5.25. We're also introducing preliminary 2027 guidance for adjusted net income per diluted share of $7.20. That's a growth rate of 31% to 32% over our updated 2026 range. Our outlook includes... includes a measured view of our newest products. SEZL Cash is off to a strong start, and SEZL Send just rolled out more broadly in October. As with any new lending product, we're managing both carefully on risk and marketing, and we'll update you as they mature. With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for Q&A.

  21. Q&A29:30
  22. Operator

    Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. As a reminder, if your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw it, please press star, then two. At this time,

  23. we will pause momentarily to assemble our... And today's first question comes from Mike Grandal with Northland. Please go ahead.

  24. Question · Northland Capital Markets

    Hey guys, thank you.

  25. A nice quarter. Charlie, you guys are clearly, you know... Product innovation and kind of riding a new product wave here. Pay in five, SEZL cash, SEZL send. Can you talk about what inning you think we're in in some of these newer products? And any other to call out other than those three? Um, well, good question.

  26. Management

    Thanks, Mike.

  27. Management

    Pay in five is pretty much rolled out at this point. So, you know, I think that's, that's ballgame for paying five in terms of rolling out within our business. But our view on paying five is, you know, it's not ballgame in terms of acquiring consumers and retaining consumers. That's the whole point is, we saw such good feedback from consumers using our product that they love it so much that our view is that it incrementally helps us win consumers and keep consumers from competition. Sezzle cash and Sezzle send super early. I mean, they're just getting started. Um, so, um, I think that's probably the, you know, the, the, the layout. Um, we're excited about all of them. Um, but really paying five has just been, I mean, it rolled out earlier this year, so it's, it's had a lot of time to, to, to make hay for us. And so it's down, down to the winner of this. Free right now. Got it. And maybe just two more questions. One quick on paying five, what percent of the business? And I'm, I think it's a big number has transitioned to paying five. And then secondly, could you just cover again, how Sezzle Cash and. And how Sezzle Send, you think that's going to help with customer acquisition, kind of bringing in new customers? Yeah, I'll pass off the first part to Lee, because you might have more detail on that, but on Sezzle Cash, Sezzle Send, actually even paying five, they all help us acquire new customers because they're.

  28. Management

    You know, basically differentiate offerings from, I think, some of the competitive base that our consumers maybe compare us against. So we have, you know, differentiated or totally different products from some of our competitors that allow us to acquire new consumers. I would say Sezzle Send as launched to the entire. The majority of the design was around helping us acquire new consumers because the thesis is that consumers will send other money to their friends and family, contacts, etc. And if you're already a SEZZL user, it's likely that you, in your nexus, you have other potential. SEZZL users just because people like them. You know, there's a little bit of that. So our view is that that would be a user-generated acquisition channel. We still believe it is. But they're all helping us acquire users. I don't know, Lee, anything to add on the first part of the question? Oh, yeah. 100% of pay in five? Yeah. If you look at our kind of core BNPL product, yeah, it's about – it's a majority, and I think we've alluded to it before, around 70%. And like Charlie said, yeah, it's past the ninth inning, I guess. Got it. Yeah, I mean, that turned out to be pretty popular. Okay.

  29. Management

    Hey, thanks, guys.

  30. Management

    Thanks, Mike.

  31. Operator

    And the next question is from Ross Cole with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

  32. Question · Needham & Company

    Hey, thanks for taking my question, and congratulations on the great quarter. My first question here is, for FY27, the $7.20 guide, can you provide any... holler into, you know, what's driving this? And then also, is this including an impact from SEZL cash and SEND, or would you consider, like, that growth to be upside here? Thank you. Lee, do you want to take that one? Yeah, I can pop in here. I guess what I would give you just a little more on the history of how we've given guidance. We did similarly... Q3 last year, we gave that 435 EPS for 2026. And it's inclusive of what we have open, like what we've already launched in terms of product. But we don't give much more than that at this point in time. As we come out in Q4, we'll break out more in terms of revenue and margin expectations. At this point, it's just more of an EPS estimate for you guys.

  33. Management

    Great. Thank you. And then I was wondering as well, you know, it's great to see your subscribers approaching 1 million. Can you maybe talk a bit about how charming conversions from on demand are trending?

  34. Management

    Well, on demand has been shrinking as a... percentage of our business, mainly because what we realized, we talked about this earlier in the year, as we started to transition more to subscribers as the focus, when we first launched on demand, we had the theory in our mind that we've been wrong before. We had the theory was that we were basically building like a bridge, like almost like... I know it's not free, but like a freemium bridge into our subscription product where it's like tried before you buy, before you commit. And what we realized is a lot of those customers, they just were like dating us, like just dabbling and they never made commitment. And when we converted, we did get on demand consumers to convert in, but it was... It was, you know, it wasn't like what we imagined it would be. And so we decided, let's just leave with subscription. You know, we've talked about this a bit externally, a bit internally. It's almost like, you know, the view is you want to be like a Target or you want to be like a Costco model. And what we started to realize is, you know, just, we really liked the kind of the Costco model. Instead, just, you know, a subscription based product allows us to deliver lower cost financial services products to our subscriber base, the ones that commit to us and want to be a part of our system. And so we're really viewing as leading with subscription as the primary solution and on demand still there, but now it's.

  35. Management

    It's not used as much as a tool with the direct-to-consumer type of relationship with consumers. It's used more as a tool to help our sales and partnerships teams to work and deliver solutions to merchants that might be less comfortable with the merchant fees required. to support BMPL. And if we can pass on some of the fees to the consumer directly in the merchant checkout, now the merchant's much more comfortable with adding SEZL into their checkout. So it's become more of a merchant acquisition tool than a consumer tool. Awesome. Appreciate the caller there. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you.

  36. Operator

    And our next question is from Ryan Tomasello with KBW. Please go ahead.

  37. Question · KBW

    Pan ChongAnalyst · KBW

    Hey, everyone. This is Pan Chong on for Ryan. Congrats on a great quarter. Could you just help frame for us what the monthly spending is like for your average subscriber? And how you're thinking about your current wallet share of either, you know, credit or spending within the current user base, just trying to get a sense of how much room there could be for like a TTV per user growth, especially given the expanded product suite. Yeah, we plan to keep on pushing forward with more and more products in our future. Some of those products are waiting for our national bank charter completion, like checking account, savings account products, and potentially more in the financial services area or arena. So we think there's more wallet share with these consumers and more frequency. We know they love our product, but we just think there's probably a lot more there in terms of making these consumers, having these consumers that are in love with us do more with us. But Lee, I don't know if you have any additional color on the first part of the question. Yeah, I'll follow up on a couple items there. We haven't, you know, we're not disclosing the CAC, you know, what we do. From the subscription cost, because we do a net number and we have subscribers, you know, move in and out. And it's very easy to cancel and move in and out. So we just don't get into those numbers. But also add on to Charlie's comment on the wallet shares. We've looked at some others, other companies out there and people, you know, transacting with them, you know.

  38. Management

    15 plus times a month, you know, the consumers are. And, you know, we disclose consumers use enough, what, seven to eight times a quarter. So we definitely think there's a lot of upside.

  39. Question · KBW

    Pan ChongAnalyst · KBW

    Okay, got it. That's helpful. And just in the most recent 10Q, you broke out your new revenue disaggregation, which was... Hopefully, I'm getting a sense of that, like the different moving pieces of take rate. Can you just help us understand the outlook for take rate? And do you see that roughly 11.8% rate in 3Q as something that's sustainable? Yeah, we have... Oh, sorry. Yes. Yeah, I'll take that. The seasonality of our business, we definitely expect it to come down. in Q4. But we do, I think last quarter, we did give guidance out there. At least on the call, we talked about seeing the take rate flat year over year, meaning 26 versus 25. But we had a strong quarter here in Q3, particularly driven by the subscriber side, if you look at take rate. And so we expect that... up a little bit year over year on the take rate, 26 versus 25.

  40. Management

    Got it.

  41. Management

    Thank you very much.

  42. Operator

    And the next question is from Reina Kumar with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

  43. Question · Oppenheimer

    Reina KumarAnalyst · Oppenheimer

    Hi. Anthony Siganovich, filling in for Reina.

  44. Thanks for taking my question.

  45. With AI-driven shopping assistance and agentic commerce becoming more prevalent, can you talk about how SEZL is positioning itself to remain relevant at the checkout layer? Are there opportunities for SEZL to become... a preferred payment or financing option within AI-powered purchasing workflows? We're definitely thinking about a lot. I mean, you hear us talk about AI a ton, I'm sure, and we really lean into it heavily. So we also think about it with our products and services to the consumer as well. You know, I think it's a big one for our partnerships team right now, because our partnerships team is looking at, you know, where are the big AI partnerships, where are the potentials, where can we get plugged in, you know, where can we watch for fast risers and latch on quickly to become the partners of the. The winners of the future in AI, and we think it does matter. But I think we're also helped a bit is that we have our anywhere card where, you know, just like, I'm not sure. You know, I asked this question to a bunch of investors about a year ago and asked who's using AI shopping assistance, and it was still pretty low. But I even find myself using them. And I'm probably a super early adopter because I try to adopt products, and I like to. But I'm starting to use shopping assistance. And basically what I find is that when you connect into them, it's all about loading your card into the product. And we have that card. We have a credit card for our consumers.

  46. Management

    That's used as a payment vehicle. And so for our Anywhere customers, I think we're already kind of on that front. Like our Anywhere customers can load those cards into these virtual shopping assistants and then just be prompted to use us or to confirm the purchase. So I think we already have an avenue that's helping us with the virtual card. Our, you know, Anywhere subscription as a leading part, but we're also actively thinking about how else to get in there and deeper because we really believe in it.

  47. Management

    Thanks. That's helpful. Just as my follow up, I mean, your profitability and cash generation has been improving a lot over the last year. You talked about how your. Prioritizing capital allocation among buybacks, product investment, geographic expansion, or potential M&A. It always starts with product and delivering to the consumer. That's the first thought whenever we're talking about capital allocation, but because we're such. Efficient company with how we do things, it tends not to be a big usage of cash. To give you an idea, like when we launched new products, it's basically like bringing in three or four new team members, especially now with AI. I mean, it's. We've even started to discuss testing, you know, single. And teams can, you know, single person teams, bring things end to end more and more rather than multifaceted or multifunctional teams. So we're bringing on team members to launch and support products that doesn't tend to be a big use of funds. And then, so that tends to lead to cash coming out of the balance sheet. And then. And then we have decision-making there. Do we, you know, sit and wait? Do we do buybacks? Do we do dividends? But we also have right in front of us, our national bank charter application process. And that process also, there's a bit of a, you know, lean towards putting on cash during that process because you want to, you know, show. You can sell on this too. So we have that in kind of the back of our heads as well. I don't know, Lee, anything to add to that?

  48. Management

    No, yeah, it's spot on, hit on all the items. And I'd say you were constantly looking at all of those. And yeah, number one, as you mentioned, is organic investment back in the business. But yeah, with the excess, we're always looking for the best opportunity, best return.

  49. Management

    Great. Thank you.

  50. Operator

    The next question comes from Hong Nguyen with TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

  51. Question · TD Cowan

    Hong NguyenAnalyst · TD Cowan

    Thank you. And congrats on the quarter. I want to start first with maybe on the gross margin. So over the past four quarters, it looks like you guys have been at the high end 65% or even exceed that. Do you think we're at the stage where the business is at a consistently higher level of profitability? And maybe the high end is what we should think about the business going forward. I'll at least give them more detail on this, but I think it's hard for us to say just because we're learning about the product mix as the products get out into the market. And we think about gross margin as we launch products, but each one puts and takes on gross margin and what we are okay with. So, like for instance, I'll give a... Like a more obvious caveat to gross margin. SEZL Send is a product that we're okay with lower financial metrics on because we view it as a product that can help us acquire consumers. That's more of the focus. So, it's a give and take. That product would have a lower gross margin. So, it depends on that product growth. So, you know, in terms of like the next... Well, 24 months on what happens to gross margin. But that kind of gives you the idea of like, you know, why it's hard to predict where it might be in 12 months, 24 months. Because we have some...our own gifts and takes of how we want to guide things. But Lee, anything to add? Yeah, no, that's spot on. As we launch these new products, particularly cash...

  52. Management

    As you noted, lower margin. And typically, when you start off on the product, too, you're going to have a higher provision or higher loss rate with that. So that type of...that plate takes time to play out. And as Charlie mentioned earlier, we're just getting started with these products. Got it. And maybe on the marketing, looks like... I mean, marketing has gone up, but that also happened to your net subscriber ads, right? So net-net, I mean, how do we think about the efficiency of your marketing over the past year? And coming into the holiday season, I mean, how should we think about the net subscriber ad as we are about to enter the holidays? Thank you. Well, we feel good about our efficiencies. We're always focused on efficiency. You know, we always try to explain also marketing, just so people are aware there's some fixed elements in marketing with our Kimberwolves partnership, you know, it's just quarter to quarter to quarter. We have some parts of marketing that are just the more people use our app, the more some of the marketing cost components just rise from consumer usage. And then some of it is discretionary. So there's, it's kind of a mixed bag on the total marketing spend we get every quarter. But on the discretionary part, I feel like we've been, you know, even more deliberate. More conservative, maybe, or more wanting even more return from what we're spending over the last, you know, quarter on quarter. But Leon, do you need to add to that or clear up?

  53. Management

    No, that, that was spot on.

  54. Management

    Got it.

  55. Management

    Thank you very much.

  56. Question · TD Cowan

    Hong NguyenAnalyst · TD Cowan

    And at this time, there are no further questioners in the queue. And this does conclude our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Charlie Uakim for any closing remarks. Thank you. I usually close with a Buffett or Munger quote, but tonight I wanted to share something. JP Morgan said the Congress in 1912, during the Pugio hearings, he was asked whether commercial credit is based primarily on money or property. His answer, no, sir. The first thing is character. Asked whether that came before money or property, he said, before money or anything else, money can. Not buy it. A few weeks ago, we filed, we filed our application to become a national bank. It's a long process and the outcome isn't guaranteed, but it made us take a hard look at what we've built. A model where customers stay current to keep using SEZL, where we adjust spending limits so customers don't overextend. And where customers who pay on time can build their credit history through SEZL UP. We think that's what character looks like in a lending business. The numbers we share tonight matter, but what we're more focused on building is trust with our consumers, our merchants, our regulators, and all of you. And before we close, as always, a big thank you to the SEZL team who accomplishes far more than you can believe, and to our investors for your continued support. We'll talk again next quarter. Thanks.

  57. Charlie UakimManagement

    The conference is now concluded.

  58. Operator

    Thank you for attending today's presentation, and you may now disconnect.

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