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SES earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026

Ses Ai earnings call

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  • Chi Chow 34%
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  • Ray 19%
  • Kyle Pilkington 6%
  • Chi-Ciao 5%

Management

  • Chi Chow

    Management

    10 min

  • Ray

    Management

    6 min

  • Kyle Pilkington

    Chief Legal Officer

    2 min

  • Chi-Ciao

    Management

    2 min

Analysts · 3

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  1. Prepared remarks0:04
  2. And welcome to the SES AI third quarter earnings release and call. After today's.

  3. Operator

    Prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Kyle Pilkington, Chief Legal Officer. Kyle, please go ahead.

  4. Kyle PilkingtonChief Legal Officer

    Hello, everyone, and welcome to our conference call covering our third quarter 2026 results. Joining me today are Chi Chow Hu, founder and chief executive officer, and Ray Liu, chief financial officer. We issued our shareholder letter earlier today, which provides a business update, our financial results, and the operating milestones we will report against going forward. You will find a press release with a link to our shareholder letter in today's conference call webcast in the investor relations section of our website at scs.ai. Before we get started, this is a reminder that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meeting of applicable securities legislation. These statements are based on our expectations as of today and involve risks, assumptions, and uncertainties that may cause our actual results and performance to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. These risks include, but are not limited to, those described in our latest earnings release and in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements made on this call. In this call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures as a supplement to our GAAP results. These non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, but are intended to illustrate alternative measures of the company's operating performance.

  5. that may be useful. These non-GAAP measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for any GAAP measure and our definitions may differ from those used by other companies reporting similarly titled measures. Reagliations of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our latest earnings release. With that, I'll pass it over to Chi Chow.

  6. Chi ChowManagement

    Thanks, Kyle.

  7. Last quarter, we made three commitments. And I want to start by walking through where each one stands. First, we said Chungju would reach an annual scale of 1 million NDAA compliant sales for drone applications. And today, I'm pleased to announce that we've completed the ramp up in the third quarter. And this line is now producing and delivering sales to our customers. Second, we said our net loss were narrow in the second half. And today we reported You say? Yes, you say. Quarterly earnings results, including a roughly 25% narrowing in our net loss. And third, we said Molecular Universe 4.0 was coming. And today Molecular Universe 4.0, our MLAP system, is now in evaluation with leading. battery manufacturers. That progress reflects a sharper focus in how we allocate capital, organize the company, and measure our execution. SES makes high-performance lithium batteries for drones and unmanned systems. And we make them in our own NDAA compliant factory in Korea. And today, the largest share of our revenue comes from energy storage, where our battery intelligence software sets us apart. The rest of materials and molecular universe, our battery materials discovery platform. We're excited today to walk through our flywheel concept, which is a new way to describe our business, but is entirely consistent with a strategy we have been executing since earlier this year. These businesses work as one engine, which we think of as the SES flywheel, comprised of three components, charge, fly, and discover.

  8. Charge, our energy storage business, is our revenue base today. Fly, our drone cells, scales next, and discover our molecular universe business compounds over time. The engine runs from discovery to deployment. Molecular universe discovers better materials. Better materials make better cells, and better cells win drones and energy storage customers. What we learn from those customers feeds back into molecule. So each turn is faster than the last. Today, that engine is accelerating fastest in drones, and that acceleration is what will allow us to scale profitably over time. Each part has a job. Charge is where our battery intelligence sets us apart. Fly is where we are directing our incremental capital, and discover is the advantage that makes the other two better. We'll start with fly, because it's our priority, and then cover charge and discover. Three things follow from the flywheel. First, drones and Omnian systems are our central growth priority, and that's where our incremental capital is going. Second, energy storage is our revenue base today, and we lead with battery intelligence. Third, Molecular Universe has matured into a platform that powers our own cells and software and is expected to generate revenue also. Now, let me go deeper on FLY, our drone business, because that's the center of our future growth opportunity. Drone makers choose batteries based on range, speed, payload, power density, and where

  9. those batteries are made. SES has more than 14 years of experience in high energy and high power density cells, including lithium metal, NO3, and high silicon lithium ion. Blanker Universe lets us develop and tailor those cells quickly, whether a customer needs low temperature performance, high temperature performance, fast charging, or a specific chemistry. We manufacture these cells in our own factory in Chungju, Korea. Since 2021, we have invested over $100 million in the factory and retooled its modern production equipment, specifically for drone cells. Unlike most of our competitors, who rely on contract manufacturers, we own our capacity. Supply chain and design, giving us control over quality costs and delivery. In the third quarter, we completed the ramp up of our Chungju production line to an installed capacity of 1 million NDAA. compliant cells per year. And the line has been running since early October. The plant earned ISO 9001 certification for NDAA compliant drone cells. We believe this installed capacity of 1 million NDAA compliant drone cells. per year is the largest anywhere in the world today. We've hosted dozens of customers and government official visits, including half a dozen customer quality audits. And many of those customers are recent award recipients of the US government's drone dominance program. The market is moving in our favor. US and outlet defense customers are moving their battery supply chains away from China, and more customers now require NDA compliant supply, or at a minimum, supply from outlet defense.

  10. Outside China, our Korea factory delivers Ally Nation manufacturing, and our supply chain is built to serve both requirements. We now have more than 50 drone makers and pack integrators in our pipeline that are seeking NDA sales. And if they'll have a . doesn't have audited our line. So far, our drone revenue has come mostly from sample sales. Since our Chungju line started producing at scale in October, we expect to see a more meaningful revenue impact from the drone business. starting in Q4, as sample orders convert to mass production purchase orders. The ongoing dialogues we're having with customers point to potential demand exceeding 3 million NDA compliant sales per year. Which is why we're beginning a staged expansion in Korea. A new higher speed line is designed to take our capacity from 1 million to 3 million sales per year. The increased capacity will mainly come from release bottleneck steps in the process. And we expect the incremental capital expenditure to be around 5 million dollars. We expect the line to reach that increased capacity by the end of the second quarter of 2027. Next turn to CHARGE, our energy storage business. ESS remains our largest source of revenue today, contributing about half of our revenue. In the third quarter, what sets us apart in energy storage is battery intelligence. Our BMS, HBox, and SOX software are built on our deep knowledge of cell chemistry. And they help operators use capacities more efficiently, extend useful life, and operate more safely. So why are customers choosing our systems? Industry estimates

  11. for battery state of charge and state of health are often off by 7% to 10%, leading customers to buy extra capacity to compensate for that error. Our edge box brings that error to about 3% or less, so customers can buy less capacity. For the same project, edge box runs on the customer's own site, so their operating data stays private and is trained on the specific cells inside each system, which supports safer operation. That intelligence also helps our economics. Since edge box can monitor and balance sales from different suppliers, we can buy from multiple vendors and production lines instead of depending on a single source, which increases... ...our pricing negotiation leverage when buying sales while reducing our costs. Overall, we're very pleased with the continued progress we're seeing across ESS, and we're confident that we'll continue seeing strong demand. Lastly, Discover. We built Molecular Universe to discover battery materials faster, and it has delivered. It sits behind the performance of our drone cells and behind the algorithms in our ESS software. SES is the single best customer success story for Molecular Universe. The models are now mature enough to sell directly to battery manufacturers. Molecular Universe 4.0 is a closed-loop system called MLAP. It integrates dry data predicted or simulated from advanced models and wet experimental data collected from autonomous labs.

  12. It runs fully on-premise and air-gapped at customer sites and continuously fine-tune. All the customers autonomously generated data. We officially launched Molecular Universe 4.0 at the recent ABA conference, and several of the world's largest battery manufacturers are actively evaluating MLAP solutions today. Additionally, we know that security is a major reason customers choose us. Battery makers will not let proprietary data leave their premises or be used to train outside models, and Molecular Universe runs fully on-premise and air-gap. Providing customers with the flexibility and adaptiveness needed to support a wide range of security needs. As I mentioned earlier, Molecular Universe is the discovered part of our flywheel, and it's what makes each turn faster than the last. It enables faster development of our own sales and software, drives subscription and materials revenue from customers, and delivers key intellectual property. we build along the way. Over the next three to five years, we believe molecular universe will power the majority of our product development. In closing, we have leading technology, our own production facility, and at the end of Q3, we have approximately $137 million in liquidity with no debt. What we need to demonstrate now is execution, qualification, orders, shipments, and repeated customers. That's what our team is focused on. And I want to thank them for

  13. their hard work this quarter. I will now hand over to Ray for the financial update.

  14. RayManagement

    Thank you, Chi Chow.

  15. I'll walk through our third quarter 2026 financial results. Third quarter revenue was $6.6 million up 31% from $5.1 million in the second quarter. Energy storage represented approximately 47% of revenue with the balance from materials and to a less extent drone cell samples. Our GAAP gross margin was 4.9% in the quarter compared to 22.6% in the second quarter. Primarily due to lower margin sales of older ESS hardware inventory due to line and product upgrade. Currently, our ESS team is upgrading from the old 5 kilowatt hour product to 16 kilowatt hour product, which is highly anticipated in the market for 2027. Turning to operating expenses, our GAAP operating expenses for the third quarter were $18.7 million, compared to $20.3 million in the second quarter, a decrease of approximately 8%. Our gap net loss for the third quarter was $13.4 million, or 4 cents per share, compared to a gap net loss of $17.9 million, or 5 cents per share. In the second quarter, the third quarter included non-cash gains of $1.8 million from the change in fair value of our sponsor earn-out liabilities. And the $2.2 million from the change in fair value of deferred consideration related to the UZ energy acquisition. Excluding changes in sponsor earn-out liabilities, stock-based compensation.

  16. And depreciation and amortization. And including interest income. Our non-GAAP net loss for the third quarter was $10.7 million or 3 cents per share. Compared to a non-GAAP net loss of $13.1 million or 4 cents per share in the second quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was a loss of $12 million. Compared to a loss of $14.6 million in the second quarter. Turning to balance sheet and capital allocation. We ended the third quarter with cash, cash equivalents and. Short term investments of approximately $137 million and no debt. Compared to approximately $163 million at the end of the second quarter. That change includes $9.2 million we used in September to repurchase 16.2 million shares at an average price of $0.57 per share. We saw that as an optimist. use of capital that reflects our confidence in the long-term value of SES. We have approximately $19.1 million remaining under our repurchase authorization. Excluding the buyback, our net cash used in the quarter was approximately $16.5 million. Our capital priority follows the flywheel Chi Chow described. Funds drone manufacturing readiness and customer qualification first. Keep energy storage capital efficient and keep molecular universe spending focused on the supporting our products and its own commercial growth. In October, we filed a proxy statement seeking stockholder approval for reverse stock split, which is designed to broaden our eligibility for instance.

  17. institutional ownership and support our continued NYSE listing. We believe this supports the long term success of the business in three ways. First, containing our NYSE listing supports our standing with customers, partners and employees. Second, it opens our business up to a broader base of long term institutional holder. who can bring more stable ownership and liquidity. And third, it lets more investors evaluate SES on what matters. Qualifications, orders, shipments. and repeat customers. This action simply removes a barrier for our business, but the value we create over the long term will come from our own execution. Turning to our outlook, we're reiterating our. Full year 2026 revenue outlook of 30 to $35 million. Revenue through the third quarter was $18.4 million. So the outlook implies fourth quarter. Revenue of approximately $11.6 to $16.6 million. With that, I'll turn it back to Chi-Ciao.

  18. Chi-CiaoManagement

    Thanks, Ray.

  19. Let me leave you with three takeaways. So first, we did what we said we would do. Chongzhu reached an installed capacity of 1 million NDAA-compliant sales a year. The line is now producing and delivering sales to customers, and our net loss narrowed from the second quarter. Second, drone remains a strategic focal point for our business and growth opportunity. We have cell technology built on more than 14 years of experience. Our own production facility in Korea and more than 50 customers in our pipeline moving toward. qualification and production. Additionally, I'm personally and directly overseeing operations at our Cheungju plant. Third, we are reiterating our 2026 outlook and we have given you clear milestones to measure as a. against each quarter. Qualifications, orders, shipments and repeat customers. Reassured by the positive momentum our business is exhibiting, the flywheel that I described is working. Charge is our revenue base today. Fly is moving into qualification and Discover is the engine that propels the charge and fly to accelerate even faster. I look forward to continuing our focus execution on the key strategic priorities.

  20. Q&A19:38
  21. Chi-CiaoManagement

    That will deliver growth and scale across our business in the coming quarters. With that operators, please open the line for questions.

  22. Operator

    We will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question. Please press star 1. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q & A roster.

  23. Your first question comes from Dave Storms with Stonegate. Please go ahead.

  24. Question · Stonegate

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    Dave StormsAnalyst · Stonegate

    Thank you for taking my questions. Wanted to start maybe with the guidance, obviously implying a pretty strong sequential step up. Just curious as to what's baked into that. Should we expect some pretty significant drone delivery? Or purchase orders in the quarter since the line has been up since October. And then additionally, maybe any color on the margin profile, given the recent lumpiness that you might expect in the fourth quarter. So I can address the. First part and then we can do the margin. So typically for the fourth quarter, if you look at ESS, ESS, we do have these seasonality and then Q4 typically has the highest. revenue, much higher than the other quarters. We saw that last year too. So as for ESS and then with drones, yes, absolutely. And then I mentioned this in the shareholder letter. We can't discuss names, but then recently we have received orders from several of the participants and winners of the drone dominance program gauntlet challenge. And then all those. Uh, started coming in October, November. Uh, and then those will definitely come towards the, uh, revenue on the drone side. So Q4, um, um, we're quite confident that we can, uh, meet the guidance, uh, because of the seasonality in ESS. And also this, this, um, this flooding of, uh, people coming in just, uh, uh, starting in October for drones.

  25. Management

    Yeah. So Dave, on the margin side, uh, as, uh, Uh, see ya. I mentioned, um, ESS is primarily a kind of seasonal and Q4 we see as stronger, um, pipeline and stronger demand. But in the meantime, we're trying to use this opportunity to sell out some other. Kind of older inventory, as we mentioned on the, for the Q3, we, we kind of shifting the line from a five kilowatt hour product to a 16 kilowatt hour. So we still have some of the older. So we want to sell those. So I think we see margins coming down because we want to kind of put this on market and generating the sales and to have a fresh start for the next year. In terms of the ESS business. So, yeah, we're selling it in a slightly lower margin and lower price. Just to play out those inventories.

  26. Management

    Appreciate all that commentary. And then maybe for my follow-up, I did want to ask one around molecular universe. Very exciting to see you starting to roll that out further. I guess, are there any early milestones that we should keep an eye out for? How are those conversations progressing with customers? What should we be looking out for in the next couple of quarters as that starts to gain more traction?

  27. Management

    Can you say the first part of your question again? This is about the, which part? With regards to molecular universe, you know, MU 4.0. Yeah, so MU... MU 4.0 came out, and then this is different from the previous versions. The previous versions were all just web updates, the cloud version. MU 4.0 is MLab, so... It has the cloud version, but it's integrated with Autonomous Labs. And we are in active testing with two of the largest battery makers in the world. And then in the coming quarters, we're hoping to... to start selling the entire systems, MLabs. These cover electrolyte optimization, electrons, new molecule synthesis. The MLabs cover... ...most of the development work that a battery company would need for new battery development. So we're hoping to actually start selling these. m-lap systems in the coming quarters. Understood.

  28. Question · Stonegate

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    Dave StormsAnalyst · Stonegate

    Thank you for taking my questions and good luck in the next quarter. Thank you.

  29. Operator

    Your next question comes from Derek Soderbergh with Cantor.

  30. Fitzgerald, please go ahead.

  31. Question · Cantor Fitzgerald

  32. Hey, guys.

  33. Thanks for taking the questions.

  34. Wanted to start with the purchase orders from the Gauntlet participants. How many customers was that? Was that... Two or three. And then what was kind of the expected sell volume with those purchase orders? And maybe if you can talk about the delivery window as well, that'd be helpful.

  35. Management

    So... In terms of just the NDA pipeline for our career, we're talking about more than 50. And then out of that, about a dozen. So if you look at... The Drone Dominance Program Gauntlet Challenge participants, there's about a dozen. And then about half dozen of those we are actively shipping sales to. And these are not just samples, like 50, 100 samples. We're talking about in the quantity of several thousand and then to tens of thousands. And then we're trying to... So got the order this quarter, trying to build and deliver them this quarter. And then move on to Q1. So we go from thousands this quarter and then to tens of thousands starting. Q1. It's very fast. Got it. That's the line. Yeah. Yeah. The line in Chungju is actually quite fast. We basically for most of the orders. We receive them and then we deliver in the same quarter. Got it. That's helpful. And just on that point with that production line, can you talk about unit cost at all, you know, sort of per cell? Sort of where it needs to be. Are there any improvements that you guys are making to the cost piece? Any sort of information on that sort of per cell cost would be helpful. Thanks. Yeah, I think in the... Next few quarters, we can probably share more. This is the first quarter that this line is up and running. So obviously there is a lot of room that we have to optimize the... the cost. And the biggest piece in terms of optimizing the cost is basically improving the yield and the quality and the throughput. So all those will be improving.

  36. Question · Cantor Fitzgerald

    Got it. And can you share what yield is roughly today on that line? Yeah. So we're going to share those things starting in Q1.

  37. Management

    Got it. Looking forward to that.

  38. Management

    Thanks, guys.

  39. Management

    Yeah. Okay.

  40. Operator

    Your next question comes from Mark Shooter with William Blair. Please go ahead.

  41. Question · William Blair

    Hey, Chicho.

  42. Just to build on Derek's question before me. For 2027, how would you look at the capacity that you have in your facility now to deliver against that 3 million cells per year pipeline?

  43. Management

    Yeah. So we already have 1 million cells capacity, and then we're adding the second 2 million. So by Q2 next year, we'll have 3 million. In the entire year, 2027, we think we can deliver at least one to probably 1.5 million qualified cells to consumers. So that's the target. Output for qualified cells, 1 to 1.5 million NDA compliant, at least.

  44. Question · William Blair

    Okay, great. Thanks. Shifting over to energy storage systems. What volumes are you producing in that business today? And similar, what do you think you can deliver in 27? And for your customers, and for you as well, do you receive any of the tax credits? Either the manufacturing tax credits or your customers, can they receive the investment tax credits? Yeah. So previously, the main flagship product... that we have was the five kilowatt hour. And then now we come up with a 16 kilowatt hour product. It's actually more popular. And then it's being certified with SolArc. And then we also announced partnerships with ATG. SolArc. And then they're more excited about the 16 kilowatt hour than the five kilowatt hour. So we're kind of killing our old product with this newer generation product. And then.

  45. Management

    So both ATG and SolArc are quite excited about the 16 kilowatt hour for 2027. We'll be able to give out a more concrete guidance on just that, how much revenue. We expect for ESS next year. And then in terms of tax credit for now, the answer is no, but we are evolving part of the manufacturer. So we're discussing with the U.S. distributors and then want to see if we or our customers can start to capture some of the tax. The rebate next year. Great. Thanks. There appear to be no further questions at this time.

  46. Operator

    This concludes today's call.

  47. Thank you for attending.

  48. Operator

    You may now disconnect.

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