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RYN earnings call transcript, November 4, 2026

Q3 2026 Rayonier Inc Earnings Conference Call

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  • Management 28%
  • Colin Mings 24%
  • Wayne 17%
  • Mark Bridwell 17%
  • Analysts 7%

Management

  • Colin Mings

    Vice President of Capital

    8 min

  • Wayne

    Management

    6 min

  • Mark Bridwell

    EVP, GC and Secretary

    6 min

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  1. Prepared remarks0:01
  2. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Q3 2026 Ryanair Inc earnings conference call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question. Answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Colin Mings, vice president of capital. Markets and strategic planning. Colin, please go ahead. Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Rainier's investor teleconference covering third quarter earnings. Our earnings statements and financial supplement were released yesterday afternoon and are available on our website at rainier.com. I would like. to remind you that in these presentations, we include forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of federal securities laws. Our earnings release and forms 10K and 10Q followed with the SEC list some of the factors that may cause actual results. differ materially from the forward-looking statements we may make. They're also referenced on page two of our financial supplement. Throughout these presentations, we will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures, which are defined and reconciled to the nearest GAAP measures in our earnings release and supplement. materials. With that, let's start our teleconference with opening comments from Mark McHugh, our president and CEO. Mark.

  3. Colin MingsVice President of Capital

    Thanks, Colin.

  4. Good morning, everyone. Before turning to our third quarter results, I'd like to provide a brief update on our merger of vehicles with Potlatch Delta. We continue to make strong progress on the merger integration. We have optimized our organizational structure, captured operational efficiencies, and continued to advance the integration of systems. processes across the combined organization. We have now achieved more than $20 million of run rate synergies. We remain on track to achieve our $40 million synergy target by the second anniversary of the merger closing. At the same time, our team has made good progress bringing our organizations together around a shared culture, and we're looking forward to opening our new corporate headquarters in Atlanta early next year. I'm very pleased with what we've accomplished so far, and I remain confident that the combination will create significant long-term value for our shareholders. I want to commend our team for their focus and dedication in advancing our integration efforts while also delivering strong operational results in a challenging market environment. Moving on. to our third quarter results. I'll start with a review of our overall results, as well as our segment level performance, after which Wayne will review key liquidity and balance sheet metrics, as well as our outlook for the balance of the year. For the third quarter, Rainier reported gap earnings.

  5. earnings of $123 million for 41 cents per share. Results included $91 million of income related to the large disposition in Washington, which is part of the like kind exchange transaction with RMS that we announced. August. As a reminder, the exchange consisted of the sale of approximately 36,000 acres in Southwest Washington for $145 million and the concurrent acquisition of approximately 57,000 acres. In Texas and Alabama, for $146 million. Excluding pro forma items, which included the large disposition, as well as $7 million of merger-related costs, net income was $40 million, or 13 cents per share. The EBITDA in the third quarter was $145 million, which was well above the prior year period, primarily due to the contributions from the Potlatch-Deltic operations, along with solid operational performance across our segments. Moving on to our segment results, let's start on page 9 with our Southern Timber segment. Adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter of $52 million was 23% above the prior year quarter, as increased harvest volumes more than offset lower pricing. Total harvest volumes increased 56% versus the prior year quarter, primarily due to the addition of roughly 1.4 million tons of volume from the Potlatch Deltic Timberlands. Turning to pricing in the Southern Timber segment, as a reminder, starting this year, our Southern Timber's pricing reflects delivered log prices rather than net stumpage, as it is now the predominant method of sale following the merger. In saw log markets, demand was steady during the quarter, supported by healthy lumber prices and production in the U.S. South.

  6. Average delivered saw log prices of $45 per ton were 5% lower than standalone Rainier prices in the prior year quarter, but up 2% sequentially from the second quarter. While lumber prices have moderated recently, southern sawmills continue to gain market. share from Canadian producers, and we expect that this trend will continue to drive higher mill operating rates and stronger saw log demand across our U.S. south footprint over time. Turning to pulpwood, delivered pulpwood prices of $31 per ton were 15% lower than standalone Rainier prices in the prior year quarter, but we're up 3% sequentially from the second quarter. While pulpwood markets remained challenging, we continue to believe that prices have generally stabilized in our primary market areas. Moving on to our northwest timber segment on page 10. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA of $32 million was significantly above the $6 million reported in the prior year quarter. Harvest volumes more than doubled. In the third quarter as compared to the prior year period, primarily due to the contribution of nearly 370,000 tons of incremental harvest volume from the potlatch-deltic Idaho timberlands. Healthy lumber prices also helped propel solid prices higher in Idaho in the quarter. as a significant portion of our saw log sales in the state are indexed to lumber prices. Delivered saw log prices of $129 per ton were up 29% from the prior year quarter and 8% from the second quarter, primarily due to higher pricing on Idaho.

  7. saw logs. Turning to wood products on page 11, this segment generated $27 million of adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter, a slight improvement from the prior quarter and the strongest quarterly adjusted EBITDA result that this segment has registered since potlatch. Deltic's third quarter of 2022. Our average lumber price realization was $528 per MBF and shipments totaled 327 million board feet in line with our prior guidance. Our average lumber price realization increased by roughly 5% versus the second quarter, which more than offset higher per-unit manufacturing costs. The improvement in lumber markets during the third quarter was largely driven by supply-side factors, as Milker Town industry-wide transportation challenges, and tariffs on Canadian imports limited supply. As we discussed last quarter, our team was proactive in navigating transportation challenges by leveraging rail transportation alongside our established trucking network. Lumber prices have generally trended lower since peaking in July, a decline that continued through October as demand softened due to both seasonality and growing macroeconomic uncertainty, particularly around housing markets. We are currently maintaining a steady order file, albeit at lower prices relative to our Q3 average. Moving to our real estate segment on page 12. In the third quarter, real estate revenue totaled $208 million on approximately 43,000 acres sold.

  8. Which included the large disposition in Washington. Excluding this transaction, pro forma third quarter sales totaled $63 million on roughly 7,000 acres sold at an average price of $8,000 per acre. Sales fell from the prior year quarter due to a lower number of acres sold, which was partially offset by a significantly higher average price per acre. Real estate segment Jesse Bidon the third quarter was $49 million, which was well above our prior. guidance range of $25 to $35 million due to some accelerated closing activity. In improved development, sales totaled $12 million. Our Chenal Valley project in Little Rock contributed over $6 million of sales. During the quarter, it remains well positioned to provide a steady stream of cash flow moving forward. Activity also continues to trend favorably at our wildlife and heartwood development projects, reflecting the investments we've made over the past several years. In entitlements, infrastructure, and market development. In addition, we completed a 1,700-acre unimproved development sale in Florida for $19 million, or roughly $11,000 per acre. Moving to the rural category, third quarter sales totaled $26 million, consisting of nearly 5,100 acres sold at an average price of roughly $5,000 per acre. Overall sentiment in the rural land market remains positive, and we continue to achieve strong premiums above timberland value in our rural

  9. HBU business. I'll now turn the call over to Wayne to cover key liquidity and balance sheet metrics, as well as our outlook for the balance of the year.

  10. WayneManagement

    Thanks, Mark.

  11. Moving to our capital resources and liquidity. Are cash available for distribution? or CAD was $287 million through the first nine months of 2026 versus $154 million in the prior year period. The significant increase in CA was primarily driven by the contribution from the Potlatch Deltic businesses, coupled with significantly improved real estate results. As a reminder, our CAD excludes the large disposition of $140 million. $45 million that Mark discussed earlier. A reconciliation of CAD to cash provided by operating activities and other gap measures is provided on page eight of the supplement. During the third quarter, we repurchased a proxy. 2.8 million shares at an average price of $21 per share or $60 million in total. We have been very active on this front during 2026, repurchasing 7.8 million. shares through the first nine months of the year for a total of $163 million. At the end of the third quarter, we had $66 million remaining on our prior share repurchase authorization. We continue to believe that our stock is trading at a significant discount to net asset value. Accordingly, our board approved a $300 million increase to our share repurchase authorization this week. We remain active under the program as we view buybacks as a compelling use of capital and one of the most attractive opportunities to create value for our shareholders in the near term. Turning to our balance sheet, we continue to maintain a conservative leverage profile.

  12. and significant capital allocation flexibility. We finished the third quarter with $361 million of cash and roughly $1.9 billion of debt. Our net debt to enterprise value based on our closing stock price at the end of the quarter was 22%. Moving to our outlook, as a reminder, full-year metrics reflect a pro rata contribution from the Potlatch-Deltic operations starting on January 31st. With respect to our individual segments, starting with our southern timber segment, we expect to achieve foliar harvest volumes of 12.2 to 12.4 million tons, with anticipated harvest volumes of 3 to 3.2 million tons in the fourth quarter. We expect regional saw timber and pulpit prices to remain relatively stable for the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter. However, as previously discussed, full year and quarterly average pine prices for the combined company's southern timber segment are expected to be lower than legacy Rainier prices, based on geographic mix of the combined portfolio. In our northwest timber segment, we expect to achieve full year harvest volumes of 2 to 2.1 million tons, with anticipation for the next year. We anticipated harvest volumes of approximately 500 to 550,000 tons in the fourth quarter. We expect overall saw timber prices to be lower in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter, primarily due to lower index. Saw log prices in Idaho. We continue to expect that full year 2026 average log pricing for the combined company's northwest timber segment will be higher than the standalone pricing for Rainier in the prior year.

  13. In our wood product segment, we continue to expect lumber shipments to total approximately 1.1 billion board feet for the 11 months of contribution in 2026, including approximately 295 to 305 million board feet in the fourth. We expect fourth quarter lumber realizations to be lower than the third quarter, reflecting softer market conditions and typical seasonal demand patterns. As of October month end, our average quarter-to-date lumber price realization was roughly 6% lower than our average price realization in the third quarter. Lumber prices have continued to soften recently with the current random lengths composite pricing 12% lower than the third quarter average. In a real estate segment, we see continued momentum and maintain a healthy pipeline of rural and improved development land sale opportunities. Based on our current transaction pipeline and sales closed quarter to date, we expect an adjusted EBITDA contribution in the fourth quarter of $60 to $70 million, which would result in full-year real estate adjusted EBITDA toward the upper end of our prior guidance range of $180 to $200 million. To assist with modeling, we note that the third quarter results include purchase accounting adjustments related to prior quarters. In aggregate, these adjustments increased depletion, depreciation, and anonymization, or DDNA, by $8 million. for the quarter. By segment, they increased DDNA by $8.3 million in northwest timber, $3.3 million in wood products, and half a million dollars in real estate.

  14. And reduced DDNA by $4.1 million in southern timber. These non-reoccurring adjustments should be excluded when estimating future DDNA run rates. I'll now turn the call back to Mark for closing comments.

  15. Mark BridwellEVP, GC and Secretary

    Thanks, Wayne.

  16. As we wrap up today... On today's call, I'd like to reiterate our current capital allocation priorities, given the significant disconnect between private market Timberland values and the valuation currently implied by our share price. Over the last several years, we've demonstrated our commitment... ...to creating shareholder value through nimble capital allocation, active portfolio management, and a disciplined approach to our balance sheet. We've remained focused on executing this strategy in 2026. Through the end of September, we've repurchased $163 million... ...of shares, were paid over $220 million of debt, and closed a strategic like-kind exchange transaction that we expect will be accretive to cash flow. As we noted when we announced the merger, one of the key benefits... ...of combining our two organizations was the opportunity to further optimize our asset base through value-enhancing dispositions while retaining the advantages of scale. At today's share price, repurchasing our stock effectively allows us to acquire our own high-quality timberland port. ...at a meaningful discount to private market values. Given this ongoing dynamic, we intend to pursue additional timberland dispositions over the next 12 to 18 months to further enhance our flexibility to lean into share... ...purchases, incrementally reduce leverage, and fund other capital allocation priorities. While creating value through asset sales and buybacks is a high priority in the current environment, our team also continues to advance initiatives that will position the...

  17. ...company for long-term growth. We remain encouraged by the growing opportunity set for land-based solutions, as well as structural shifts in North American lumber supply that should position our assets more favorably over time. A successful... ...compined with a capital allocation approach that adapts to evolving market conditions will be central to capitalizing on these opportunities over the long-term. In sum, I remain optimistic that Rainier is well... ...position to build value per share throughout the economic cycle. That concludes our prepared remarks and I'll now turn the call back to the operator for questions. We will now begin the question and answer.

  18. Q&A16:58
  19. Operator

    ...session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. Your line will remain open after your first question for follow-up questions. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset. when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you're muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.

  20. Your first question comes from the line of Mike Roxland with Truist Securities.

  21. Question · Truist Securities

    Yeah, thank you, Mark, Wayne, Colin, for taking my questions. Mark, you just mentioned... You mentioned that you intend to pursue additional Timberland dispositions over the next 12 to 18 months. Any sense of the dollar value of the Timberland that you're looking to sell and maybe where some of those positions would come from?

  22. Mark BridwellEVP, GC and Secretary

    Yeah, thanks, Michael. I mean, at this point... We're not going to be overly prescriptive on how much we'll look to sell. It's really going to be driven by the buyer response to packages we bring to market as well as just how overall market dynamics continue to evolve. Keep in mind, when we announced a disposition plan back... ...in late 2023, we're looking to significantly lower our leverage. That's less of a factor now, just given our current cash position and leverage profile. We still want to maintain some flexibility around debt reduction, but... You know, additional sales at this point are really motivated by capitalizing on that disconnect between public and private Timberland values. And as I noted in the prepared remarks, we now have a much larger portfolio from which to evaluate disposition opportunities without... ...compromising the benefits of scale. You know, that was one of the benefits that we highlighted when we announced the merger. So, we feel we're well positioned to continue being nimble and opportunistic on that front. Got it. Makes sense. And just, you know, on that front, in terms of the... capitalizing on the disconnect between valuations, can you, I mean, public market versus private market, Timberland valuations, how should we think about the dollar amount of repos you could pursue each quarter? You have about 350, 360 million dollars. Authorized right now, should we think, you know, maybe 40 million, 45 million dollars of share repos per quarter would be the right amount. And then just quickly, on the lumber business, given the housing backdrop, given weakening pricing more recently,

  23. how do you think about opportunities to add additional scale in lumber, maybe acquire some assets for, maybe buy some assets from producers who may be distressed? I mean, as it relates to the volume of. of buybacks, you know, again, we continue to see buybacks as a compelling use of capital, but we're not going to be, you know, prescriptive as to exactly how much we buy back in any in any quarter. You know, I think the fact that, you know, we just approved our board just approved, you know, $300 million. of incremental repurchase activity, you know, that really underscores our conviction around buybacks, you know, you know, that said, we're going to go, we're going to continue to be measured as to how much we deploy at any one point in time, you know, particularly just given. how volatile market conditions have been here recently. You know, we're very focused on growing value per share. We believe that buybacks at these levels, you know, certainly achieve that end. We're also focused on maintaining balance sheet flexibility and also our investment grade credit rating. You know, fortunately. Our balance sheet is in great shape right now. But as we've executed our buyback program here in the last, you know, call it 18 months, our leverage has ticked up a bit towards that three times target that we've laid out. So as we discussed in prepared remarks, that's why we're really looking at additional disposition opportunities in order to build incremental capacity and really extend our runway for buybacks. You know, just, you know, to address your next question around, you know, wood products and growth in that business, you know, we're going to evaluate those.

  24. Types of opportunities as we would any other capital allocation alternative, really with a view towards building a long-term value per share. You know, we're certainly open to exploring growth in wood products, including, you know, both investing in our existing mills. As well as considering potential external growth opportunities. But as we've discussed in the past, you know, the bar for external growth right now is pretty high, you know, given the opportunity that we see in buybacks. Got it.

  25. Thanks very much and good luck.

  26. Operator

    Your next question comes from the line of Anthony Pentaneri with Citi. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

  27. Question · Citi

    Anthony PentaneriAnalyst · Citi

    Good morning.

  28. With the challenge, you know, housing demand this year, a lot of homebuilders have talked about activity kind of pulling back from August to September to October. It sounds like from your comments, you're kind of seeing that in lumber prices, but it doesn't sound like you're seeing it so much in, you know, rural land sales and real estate sales. I just wanted, I'm wondering if you can kind of comment more on the demand you're seeing for land and lots and And if you've seen any kind of softening there or just like what those discussions have been like recently. I mean, land values have really held up quite well. You know, I think we've commented on this a number of times in recent quarters. And I'd say that really highlights what we think is the recurring nature of what we see as a longer term trend in this business. I've been really impressed with how our team continues to find opportunities to monetize land at very significant premium. to timberland value. So while timber market conditions continue to be pretty difficult, underlying land values have just continued to appreciate. And we've been able to capture that appreciation through our real estate business. I've said this before, but this is a part of our business. We think is really underappreciated. Every time we sell an acre of land at a significant premium to Timberland value, we're generating NAB accretion. Or to put it another way, you know, we've been selling land at very big premiums to Timberland value. We've been buying back our stock at what we think are

  29. Management

    very big discounts at Timberland value. You know, that's really part of our ongoing capital allocation strategy. And again, we think we're building long term value per share by doing this, we're going to continue to take advantage of those opportunities. And I think that could ultimately translate to, you know, a higher long term trend line. In terms of that contribution from the real estate business.

  30. Management

    Okay, that's very helpful. And then just on the election, I'm just curious if there's, you know, two or three policies. Policy issues that you're really, you know, maybe focused on in the next few years. And, you know, renewables and wind, maybe, maybe that's a good guy, you know, data center restrictions, maybe, I don't know if that's something that's really meaningful for you, but just curious, like what policies are, are on your radar? Yeah, I mean, you know, we're just about, I guess, a day and a half removed here from the midterm. So it's a little early to gauge the impact, you know, I think it'll take some time. To see how leadership roles shake out and, you know, what priorities gain momentum as this new Congress takes shape early next year. You know, we generally believe that the biggest issues impacting our industry are. Or should be bipartisan issues that garner support from both sides of the aisle. You know, and that really includes housing affordability, you know, policies that improve, you know, the health of the rural economy. But, you know, to your point, as it relates to land-based solutions, you know. Of course, federal policies around data centers and renewable energy have been hot-button topics here recently. So, you know, we'll have to see how the election ultimately impacts those opportunities for us. Again, hard to say right now what issues might gain traction, but, you know, in the near term, we're not.

  31. Management

    Not necessarily expecting any significant changes, uh, to the overall regulatory environment as it relates to our business. Okay. That's helpful. We'll turn it over.

  32. Operator

    Next question comes from the line of Buck Horn with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

  33. Your line is open.

  34. Question · Raymond James

    Buck HornAnalyst · Raymond James

    Hey, good morning guys.

  35. Congrats. I just wanted to maybe follow up on, on that line of a question right there on, on terms of, um, you know, the land solution. This business and really maybe focusing in on like solar options and, and what kind of progress you're seeing or any uptake in additional interest from the solar community or, you know, converting some of those options to, uh, to working, uh, sites, um, you know, any other, uh, you know, progress on. Other discussions you're having, whether it's kind of mineral rights or exploration deals, um, or, or, you know, uh, discussions with hyperscalers on those data center sites you might have.

  36. Management

    Yeah, but I mean, I say our long-term optimism around, um, you know, what. I think we've broadened out to, uh, refer to as our energy solutions business. You know, it hasn't really changed. We continue to see a long runway ahead there, you know, especially given the, uh, the growing demand for power and the relatively low cost of solar and other. forms of renewable energy. You know, right now I'd say some developers are probably more focused on, on optimizing their existing pipeline, uh, rather than expanding it as they're continuing to navigate changes in the regulatory environment. Um, so we've, you know, definitely seen some puts and takes in our option portfolio in recent quarters. Um, and our overall acreage under option is actually, you know, down modestly. You know, that said, we think the options that remain in the portfolio, you know, should have a higher probability of. conversion. You know, developers are, are generally taking a more disciplined approach to site selection today, and that should translate to, uh, to fewer agreements, but a higher quality, uh, option portfolio in the aggregate. You know, as I mentioned last quarter. You know, 2027 is really the first year, uh, that we expect to see a big, um, you know, step up in those option, option maturities. And so, you know, we think over the next two to three years, we should start to get better visibility, uh, just in terms of what that long-term conversion rate, uh, might.

  37. Management

    Look like on those, um, on those energy options. Uh, but overall, again, still very optimistic about the long-term opportunity, uh, for Rainier. You know, again, finding suitable land remains a key constraint for, for data center development, for powered land development. Um, and we feel that we're, we're really well positioned to be a solutions provider on that front, uh, just given the scale of our land base and, you know, specifically where our land is located. That's perfect. Really appreciate that color. Um. And then also just looking, you know, there's been some announcements, uh, you know, some mill closures from other wood products, competitors out there in the U S South recently, or some curtailments out there. Would you expect any potential. Uh, you know, impact on your harvest while you get a saw log or pulpwood pricing, just due to some of the recent mill closures that are out there. Yeah. None of the mills that recently announced curtailments were, were major customers of ours, but you know, we did supply. I some volume into those facilities, you know, but in general, look, whether a mill is a customer or not, or major customer or not, you know, any type of mill shutdown within a particular fiber basket or sourcing radius. It's going to create some headwinds in that market area as the timber that was going into those mills now has to find a new home. So our team is working to reassess supply demand dynamics in those market areas and shift around volume as needed.

  38. Management

    Our land base is very diverse, so we're not overly exposed to any particular market area. And that's especially true following the merger. You know, recall that, you know, we had highlighted that as one of the benefits of the merger was really just a diversification of the land base. So, you know, we're not anticipating any material. But, you know, it is something that we're monitoring.

  39. Management

    Okay, perfect. Thank you. I'll turn it over.

  40. Operator

    Your next question comes from the line of Ketan Mamtora with BMO Capital.

  41. Markets. Please go ahead.

  42. Question · BMO Capital Markets

    Thank you.

  43. Management

    Good morning, Mark, Wayne, Colin.

  44. Management

    Maybe just coming back on the repurchase authorization, I'm just curious, as you think about, you know, sort of progressing with this, how much of this sort of really depends on kind of, you know, potential asset dispositions, you know, at some point later this year, or put it differently, like how much could you do, you know, share repurchases without any asset dispositions? Yeah, again, you know, Keita, we're not going to be overly prescriptive on that. You know, we do continue to have the ability to repurchase shares. You know, we're comfortable with where leverage sits currently, but like I said, you know, it has, you know, ticked up modestly with repurchases that we've done to date. And so, you know, we certainly have the ability to press leverage a bit higher than that target rate. You know, we do tend to look at that as sort of an over the cycle leverage target. We still think that Wood Products is contributing, you know, below mid-cycle EBITDA. We still anticipate some incremental merger synergies to come into play here in the coming 12 months. And so, you know, we do have some flexibility in terms of how we've articulated. That target. But we are, you know, more mindful of leverage, you know, just given the interest rate environment. So, you know, that's why we're really focused on, you know, looking at additional disposition opportunities really to extend that runway.

  45. Management

    Understood. That's helpful. And then relatedly on the asset dispositions, Mark, I'm just curious, how do you sort of think about, you know, maintaining sort of scale and size? Whether it is, you know, some regional markets or just broadly Southern versus, you know, the West versus kind of, you know, just the perceived disconnect between, you know, public-private market valuations as you consider these. You know, potential dispositions. Yeah, I mean, that's certainly a key consideration as we evaluate, you know, where we may look at additional dispositions. You know, we want to make sure we maintain, you know, sufficient scale in the different markets. Market areas in which we operate. But, you know, again, recall that that was one of the benefits we laid out at the time of the merger with Potlatch-Steltic was, you know, to the extent that this disconnect persisted, we, you know, now had a bigger sandbox. To play in, so to speak, and, and, you know, we think we have the ability to continue to lean in on disposition opportunities really without compromising those those benefits of scale. Got it, and then just final. Question. I'm just curious with the bulk of prices, and it seems like it's stabilizing, but it's come under a lot of pressure here in the last, you know, 18 to 24 months. Are you seeing any? Are I all, you know, changing either silvicultural practices or thinning regimes? Any changes there, given how depressed prices have been here recently?

  46. Management

    Yeah, you know, look, we've talked about. This quite a bit in the past, you know, pulpwood markets have been very challenging these past few years. You know, we face this perfect storm of, you know, mill closures coupled with a pretty elevated supply in certain areas due to dry weather and some large scale casualty events. You know, with that said, you know, we do think. Pulpwood markets have generally stabilized over the last, you know, several months or several quarters, you know, really as mill operating rates have generally improved, you know, following some capacity rationalization that occurred, you know, so conditions have improved somewhat. But, you know, pulpit prices are still, you know, well below where they were a few years ago, which has really been a pretty big, you know, headwind for our industry here recently. You know, we're investing a lot of time right now in, you know, new market development to try to bolster demand. And for pulpwood and residuals as well, you know, and that's specifically around, you know, bioenergy, biofuel, you know, biochar type opportunities. But again, this is going to take some time to play out. So, you know, it's been a tough backdrop here for pulpwood. Recently, but we are cautiously optimistic that we could see some of these new sources of demand start to scale up and hopefully replace some of that demand that was lost from the traditional pulp and paper industry and certainly silvicultural practices.

  47. Management

    I think are under review across the industry today to, you know, again, just lessen the volume of pulpwood that's in the market or that's being, you know, targeted on final, on final harvest. Got it. That's helpful perspective. Good luck.

  48. Operator

    There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Colin Mings for the closing remarks.

  49. Colin MingsVice President of Capital

    Thank you. I'd like to thank everybody for joining us. Please contact us with any. Call up questions.

  50. Operator

    This concludes today's call.

  51. Thank you for attending.

  52. Operator

    You may now disconnect.

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