ONDS earnings / call
ONDS Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026
Ondas, Inc. Third Quarter 2026 Earnings and Business Update Conference Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
- Eric Brock 44%
- Management 25%
- Analysts 23%
- Operator 3%
Management

Eric Brock
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and President
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Analysts · 10
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Jonathan
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Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:00
We expect this momentum to continue into Q4 and 2027. This performance is not isolated to one company or market segment. As the data continues to show, ONDIS is seeing strong organic growth across multiple businesses, increasingly validating both our operating platform thesis and our execution. We are excited to share some details around Regna AI. Our new sovereign artificial intelligence company founded by ONDIS in response to one of the most important opportunities in defense technology. That is bringing advanced AI directly into mission-critical operations. Regna AI develops mission-specialized AI models that governments and defense partners can own, control, and securely deploy. These models transform sensitive... ...operational data into actionable intelligence, supporting ISR, threat detection, counter-UAS, and autonomous mission orchestration. Our approach combines NVIDIA's open-weight model ecosystem. ...providing the AI Foundation, along with Palantir's software platforms, which enable secure integration, training, and deployment. To this, ONDS brings the operational advantage with the... ...deployed defense systems and mission expertise around multi-domain ISR, autonomy, sensor fusion, and command and control. Our target customers include the U.S. Department of War, allied governments, and... ...defense companies seeking sovereign AI capabilities that operate securely across classified environments, sovereign clouds, and the tactical edge. We believe Regna AI can be a significant value creator for ONDS.
First, Regna AI creates an opportunity to turn a development cost center into a valuable business by leveraging investments ONDS is already making in sovereign AI. As Regna AI attracts customers... ...and external support as a standalone company, we believe our ownership can become an important source of long-term value for ONDS shareholders. Second, Regna AI expands the commercial opportunity... ...beyond ONDS's own platforms. These capabilities can serve governments, defense companies, and other technology providers, opening new software and services revenue opportunities. External customer revenue and dedicated growth capital could support a broader development program without relying exclusively on ONDS to fund it. Third, Regna.ai strengthens the core ONDS portfolio. Our deployed systems and mission expertise provide a practical foundation for development, while Regna.ai's mission specialized models can advance intelligence, autonomy, and command and control across our ISR. Counter UAS and unmanned systems. The objective is to create value in both directions, a growing AI business and more capable, differentiated ONDS solutions. Ultimately, we believe the future of defense belongs to companies that combine intelligent software with autonomous physical systems. Regna AI positions ONDS to lead in both and creates another powerful engine for long term. shareholder value.
- Operator
this concludes my introductory comments and i will now hand the call over to neil who will review our third quarter financial performance and balance sheet.
- Management
thank you eric the third quarter showed record. revenue and represented another important step forward in demonstrating the scalability of our financial model. revenue increased to approximately 167.5 million dollars up 100 percent sequentially and more than 16 times the prior year period. Importantly, this wasn't simply acquisition driven. On a pro forma organic basis, assuming our current portfolio had been owned in both periods, revenue grew approximately 64 percent. Year over year, reflecting strong execution across our underlying businesses. Combined with approximately two hundred and fourteen million dollars of new orders during the quarter and five hundred and seven million dollars. In the first nine months of the year, we believe these results demonstrate the customer demand remains exceptionally strong across our platform. Gross profit was thirty six point five million dollars while adjusted growth. Cost margin, which excludes the non cash items of stock based compensation expense, amortization of acquisition related intangible assets, qualifying acquisition related employee costs. An inventory step up was 34.8%. As we previously communicated, we expected gross margin to decline sequentially in Q3, reflecting a higher concentration of. Revenue from lower margin precision strike programs, including the LUS program at Mistral. Gross margin saw some modest further pressure from temporary factors, including production.
- Management
Inefficiencies associated with scaling the LUS program, as well as further swings in mix. Operating expenses increased to approximately $226 million from $199 million. In the prior quarter. To better understand the business, we encourage investors to look at our underlying adjusted cash operating expenses, which amounted to approximately $119 million. Up from $88.8 million in the prior quarter. This includes normal operating expenses as well as discretionary growth investments to support the continued transformational growth curve. We expect over the coming quarters and years. The third quarter saw a moderation in the growth of OPEX despite the addition of large acquisitions such as design. In the third quarter we continue to. Invest for growth with R&D expense of $61.6 million up $30 million sequentially driving future product innovation and integration. Adjusted EBITDA. A loss of $59.7 million, increasing $13.4 million sequentially. Our OPEX was roughly in line with our expectations, and this higher loss was the result of our... ...temporary gross margin impacts. We expect gross margins to remain in the mid-30% range in the Q4 period due to continued mix of lower margin revenue. That said, we expect a rebound to... ...historical trends in 2027. As Eric will outline later in more detail in our outlook section, we believe the combination of higher revenue and improving gross margin...
- Management
...and more modest OPEX growth will help us show meaningful operating leverage in future periods. Indeed, we expect a significant reduction in adjusted EBITDA losses in Q4 and a steady improvement... ...going forward. We have pulled forward our expectation for adjusted EBITDA break-even on a company-wide basis to Q3 2027 from our prior assumption of Q4 2027. ...based on our expectations for revenue, gross profit, and expense growth. To conclude, we believe we are executing well against our long-term business plan. Although adjusted EBITDA... ...declined in the third quarter, we expect a significant improvement in the fourth quarter, and believe we remain ahead of plan on our path to company-wide profitability in 2027. Turning to the balance sheet, which remains strong... ...and provides us with significant advantages. We ended the quarter with approximately $820 million in cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash, and short-term investments, compared to $616 million at the end of 2020. ...and approximately $1.4 billion at the end of Q2. Included in our total assets are investments in unaffiliated public and private companies, totaling $60... ...$5 million. These investments are aligned with our broader platform strategy. They support key partners, enhance access to critical technologies, improve supply chain efficiency... ...and we believe will generate attractive returns over time. During the third quarter, we deployed approximately $431 million of cash to complete key acquisitions which have added significant scale...
- Management
...technology capabilities, talent and growth opportunities, and are important elements for our near-term and long-term growth outlook. Our balance sheet allows us to invest aggressively in our operating platform... ...and support larger customer opportunities. As an example, we saw inventory grow to $111 million from $59 million sequentially, again to support our growing business. Last quarter, we highlighted that our confidence that the trajectory of the business has never been stronger. Our performance in Q3 only enhanced that conviction. Our focus now turns to capitalizing on the tremendous growth... ...opportunities ahead of us, made possible by the exceptional work our team has done throughout the year to build the foundation, capabilities and market position needed to capture them. Looking... ...ahead to Q4 and 2027, we expect substantial growth to continue, with meaningful operating leverage emerging as we scale the business. With that, I'll turn it back to Eric.
Eric BrockChairman, Chief Executive Officer, and PresidentThank you, Neil.
As Neil noted... ...adjusted cash operating expense increased to approximately $119 million in the third quarter, driven by two principal factors. First, our strategic M&A program... ...added new businesses to the ONDS platform. These companies bring operating costs, but they also contribute meaningful revenue and gross profit, established customer relationships, contracted backlog... ...and expanding pipelines. We believe these additions materially strengthen ONDS's earnings power and long-term growth potential and should be viewed as investments in scale, not incremental overhead. Second, we continued investing in the growth platform at both ONDS, Inc. and across our operating businesses. At ONDS, Inc., in addition to our underlying finance, accounting, and governance... We invested $27.6 million in growth OPEX related to corporate development, ONDS capital, ecosystem, and partner initiatives. And the broader operating platform, including our work... with Palantir and initial investments in Regna AI. In aggregate, the investment in growth OPEX at the ONDS Inc. level was slightly lower than in the second quarter. At the operating platform level, growth OPEX... for OAS leadership and infrastructure totaled $9.5 million, up from $6 million, as we continued building the leadership and capabilities required to scale. In total, we classify approximately $37 million in Q3 OPEX related to growth initiatives.
These are deliberate, front-loaded investments designed to integrate acquisitions efficiently. Expand our global commercial reach, scale supply chain and production, and provide the field support, sustainment and services a much larger business requires. We are building the operating platform. Not for the ONDS of today, but for the significantly larger company we expect ONDS to become. Apart from planned investment in Regna AI, we expect Growth OPEX to continue to moderate in the fourth quarter and into 2020. Because much of this spending is discretionary, rising revenue and gross profit should create meaningful operating leverage as we scale. Let's now turn to our Growth and Operational Update. I will review the continued expansion of our multi-domain platform, recent contract awards, and the strong demand developing across our four strategic market segments. We will also discuss... ...the progress we are making to scale Ultra and IonStrike, expand our supply chain and production capacity, and build the global operating infrastructure required to deliver for customers at scale. ONDS has built a deep differentiated... ...solutions portfolio across the four strategic market segments shown here. Aerial security, ISR and persistent intelligence, precision strike, and autonomous ground systems. In aerial security, we provide technologies to detect, identify, track, and defeat threats across the full counter-drone kill chain.
Our ISR and persistent intelligence portfolio provides multiple... ...multi-layer surveillance from the stratosphere through long-endurance airborne platforms and down to the tactical edge. In Precision Strike, we are delivering affordable, autonomous launch defects. ...aligned with the growing demand for scalable, mission-ready mass. And in autonomous ground systems, our portfolio includes robotic ground platforms supporting demining, engineering, logistics... ...border security, and operations in contested environments. Supporting all four segments is an expanding portfolio of AI-enabled software and command and control capabilities. The unified... ...command core, connecting sensing, decision-making, autonomous operations, and mission execution across domains. Across these four segments, we are increasingly focused on integrating our technologies and... ...solutions while investing in internal development to expand our capabilities, enhance our offerings, and create new opportunities for growth. Each of these four segments addresses significant global markets. Supporting a strong, sustainable, organic growth trajectory with opportunities for outsized growth that could meaningfully accelerate our business beyond the core. We continue to show solid order activity. Highlighted by some of the key awards we have received since June 30th, shown on this slide. This order activity is diversified across all four target market segments, aerial security, ISR and persistent intelligence, precision strike, and autonomous ground systems.
It also reflects a growing, increasingly diverse set of customers, geographies, and mission requirements. Our newly acquired businesses are contributing important contract wins. We expand their access to customer relationships, partners, and sales channels across ONDS. Examples include U.S. Department of War activity involving Ultra, Drone Buster, and Ion Strike. Together with... ...significant orders for Gate and Braun. These wins demonstrate the breadth of demand across both complete systems and mission-critical components. We are demonstrating increasing leverage from our expanded sales organization. ...customer access, partner network, and commercial infrastructure. We are pleased with our progress and remain focused on achieving even greater results. Our focus is sustaining and accelerating this order cap. ...capture through the remainder of 2026 and beyond. Here we highlight our backlog, as well as the global nature of our current and future revenue outlook. Our backlog now stands at $835 million and is up 36% sequentially. Reflecting both newly acquired businesses in the quarter and strong organic order capture across the ONDS portfolio. Our backlog is diversified across both market segments and geographies, providing meaningful revenue... ...and reducing dependence on any single product, customer, program, or region. That said, we have made it a point to grow the U.S. business given the large, long-term domestic opportunity.
And that focus is paying off, as we highlight here that the U.S. represented more than 50% of total revenue in Q3. We expect to see a growing contribution from the U.S. However, it's worth highlighting... ...that our customer base is more diversified globally than many peers, which provides stability during uncertain budget periods in the U.S. It's also important to highlight that ONDS's backlog consists of... ...of customer orders and awarded programs, rather than the broader unfunded opportunity pipeline. Our immediate priority is execution. Delivering against this backlog, supporting customers, and converting... ...meaningful portion of these orders into revenue during the fourth quarter of 2026. At the same time, we remain focused on replenishing and expanding the backlog organically through continued pipeline conversion. Despite a large revenue outlook for Q4, we continue to expect our backlog to grow as we exit 2026. Let me now highlight two particularly significant growth opportunities that have emerged from our design acquisition. Of course, I am... ...talking about the Ultra and IonStrike platforms, both of which are seeing advancements in customer activities. Ultra is a low-cost, long-endurance intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance, or IonStrike. ...ISR, platform that we believe is exceptionally well-positioned to address a growing and urgent military requirement.
Recent conflicts have exposed the vulnerability and high cost of traditional unmanned ISR platforms. ...with significant aircraft losses, reinforcing the need for more affordable, attritable alternatives. At the same time, the growing need to operate across greater distances is placing additional pressure... ...on legacy ISR solutions. Ultra addresses these challenges with approximately three times the flight endurance at just one-fifth the cost of traditional platforms. Again, three times the flight... ...endurance at one-fifth the cost. This is compelling, particularly when higher-cost legacy systems are seeing survivability issues that are driving the requirement for mixed-fleet operations. Increased endurance... ...means fewer aircraft are needed to maintain the same level of persistent surveillance. Combined with significantly lower acquisition and operating costs, ULTRA offers a fundamentally more attractive economic model. To put that into perspective, at the bottom here on slide 18, we illustrate the economics of maintaining a combat air patrol, or CAP, using legacy MQ-9 aircraft versus ULTRA. A traditional MQ-9... CAP requires nearly $200 million in upfront investment, with annual operating costs exceeding $50 million. ULTRA can provide comparable ISR coverage for approximately $25 million. And $23 million in annual operating costs. These are extraordinary economic advantages, particularly as the Department of War looks to rapidly replenish and expand ISR.
While addressing the operational vulnerabilities of legacy systems. For ONDAS, this represents a potentially transformative opportunity. We are already seeing demand signals for dozens of ultra. aircraft with the potential to scale into a substantial installed base supporting what we believe could ultimately become a $1 billion annual recurring service revenue opportunity. Given the significant opportunity ahead of us, we are taking decisive steps to scale production to meet anticipated demand. Here we highlight our recently announced definitive agreement to. Acquire STEMA, the German manufacturer of Ultra's airframe and a critical component of the platform. Bringing STEMA in-house will give us greater control over our supply chain, production capacity. And the pace of expansion, positioning us to execute against what we believe is a substantial long-term growth opportunity. Importantly, this vertical integration also provides an opportunity. to further enhance Ultra's already attractive margin profile by capturing more of the value within the manufacturing process. STEMA's existing European manufacturing facility is currently operating... ...at just 25% capacity utilization, providing room to increase production within our existing footprint. In addition, STEMA's type-certified aircraft and established manufacturing processes... ...provide a strong foundation to accelerate production in the U.S., where we intend to establish up to 345,000 square feet of additional manufacturing capacity.
We believe we are well capitalized... ...to support this expansion, though may consider opportunities to access non-dilutive sources of capital to help fund an accelerated production ramp. Together, these initiatives position us to scale... ...production to as many as 10 aircraft per month by 2028, supporting what we believe could become one of the most significant growth opportunities in our portfolio. Let's turn to IonStrike. Our cost... ...effective kinetic counter UAS interceptor designed to address one of the most urgent requirements in global defense. We continue to advance IonStrike with U.S. government customers, building on the important development and validation work completed with the U.S. Air Force. The market requirement is clear. Adversaries are industrializing the production of increasingly capable Shahhead-type drones, creating demand for defensive systems that can be deployed in very large quantities. We have discussed previously, we are pursuing initial commercial orders and can now share that we have submitted a response to a $45 million sole-source RFP, reflecting progress toward... ...operational use and scale deployment. While we are limited in the details we can share, we believe the requirement is urgent. We are preparing our production base so that we can move quickly if awarded. In addition, IonStrike was recently selected for a $10 million integration order with a new U.S. government customer. This order is related to a new operational environment, and we look forward to sharing more on this as we can.
Of course, the growing threat from Shahead-class drones creates an economic challenge as well as an operational one. Customers need an interceptor that can defeat these threats without relying on weapons. Costing hundreds of thousands of dollars per engagement. IonStrike is designed for that mission. It is a fire-and-forget system, requires no operator after launch, can be deployed across land, maritime... ...and airborne applications, and has a targeted sales price below $50,000 per unit. Cost parity is critical here, as is the ability to produce at scale. We are now preparing... ...and our production base for rapid scale. We expect to reach hundreds of units per month early in 2027, and to expand toward thousands of units per month beginning in late 2027. We're also developing IonStrike as a family of interceptors and precision strike systems that can address multiple missions, launch configurations, and operational environments, and we look forward to sharing more details. On this roadmap over time. As IonStrike moves from integration into fielded deployment, we believe it can become a meaningful growth platform for ONDS and address a multi-billion dollar annual market opportunity. Our focus is execution, completing customer integration, converting proposals into production orders, and building the capacity required to meet global demand at scale. We have also continued to strengthen the ONDS.
platform through a series of targeted acquisitions that add important enabling technologies across our major market segments. This slide highlights four of those additions. I want to focus first on Gate and Braun technologies, which established a strong position for ONDS in the fashion. Fast growing electronic safe and arm devices or ESADs and advanced electronic fusing for precision weapons, missiles and interceptors. These are highly specialized safety critical components. And qualified production capacity is increasingly constrained across the global precision strike supply chain. Gate brings proven engineering, established customer relationships and a scalable. International production footprint, including NATO-based non-ITAR manufacturing through Braun in Poland. Strategically, this acquisition does more than just add an attractive standalone. With Gate, Ondas is now a leading supplier of high-quality and, importantly, low-cost ESAD and kinetic systems. This also ensures we have access to a critical component. In a supply-constrained kinetic package and offers significant gross margin capture for Onda's precision strike and interceptor platforms. The other acquisitions shown here are also important building blocks. Caribou Labs adds resilient positioning, navigation, and communications capabilities for GNSS-denied and contested environments. Insignido adds an AI-enabled acoustic sensing layer
that can identify and track drones by their unique signatures, further strengthening our counter-UAS detection architecture. And Autopia adds proven teleoperation and autonomy software. that we believe can accelerate the autonomy path for ONDS unmanned ground vehicles and heavy combat machinery portfolio. We expect to share more about each of these capabilities in the coming quarters as we integrate them across the portfolio and convert their technology advantages into larger customer solutions and new revenue opportunities. Before turning to the outlook, I want to highlight that we have established the ONDS land systems division within OAS to bring five companies together under one strategy with a clear focus on autonomous ground vehicles. The purpose is straightforward, to put unmanned systems at the first point of contact, reducing personnel exposure. While helping customers carry out demanding ground missions. This is our bots before boots vision and practice. By combining our capabilities in robotics, autonomy, platforms, protection, and smart demo. We can deliver more complete solutions tailored to the customer's mission. Shared engineering and coordinated operations will accelerate development, integration, manufacturing, deployment, and support. While capturing cost synergies through streamlined operations. This also positions us to compete for larger multi-year defense programs. We can bring a broader portfolio to each opportunity.
With one coordinated team accountable for delivery. We are currently tracking approximately $3.25 billion of identified unweighted potential pipeline opportunities for land. Systems through 2031. We are building this division to turn these opportunities into awarded programs and sustain growth. Let's now turn to our outlook for the fourth quarter in 2027. As we highlighted earlier, we expect a strong finish to a transformational year. We are targeting full year 2026 revenue of at least $550 million, including more than $250 million in the fourth quarter. We also expect order momentum to remain strong and to exit the year with backlog above the $835 million reported at September 30th, providing substantial visibility into 2027. growth is supported by major programs already underway, including Mistral's Lethal Unmanned Strike Program, Indo-Earth's Combat Engineering Vehicles, and continued global demand across our counter-U. Indeed, we see organic growth continuing to be robust and expect at least 75% organic year-over-year growth on a same-store basis for Q4, higher than the 64%. We saw in Q3. Looking to 2027, we expect Ultra and IonStrike to become increasingly material contributors as customers advance and production scales. We are also focused... ...on expanding recurring and repeat revenue across the platform through software, services, sustainment, and longer-duration customer programs. Against that backdrop, we are initiating a 2020...
...revenue target of at least $1.1 billion. That outlook does not include potential acquisitions and assumes organic growth of more than 40%. As revenue and gross profit scale... ...we expect meaningful operating leverage. As mentioned, we continue to expect the operating platform to achieve adjusted EBITDA profitability in the fourth quarter of 2026. We are also... ...pulling forward the profitability timeline for OndaSync. And now expect company-wide adjusted EBITDA profitability in the third quarter of 2027, one quarter earlier than our previous target. Let me wrap up our prepared remarks before we open. ...the call for questions. We are seeing very strong demand across U.S. and allied defense and security markets. The capabilities represented across the OndaSync portfolio are rapidly moving from development and evaluation... ...into operational adoption. Indeed, they are increasingly essential to the modern mission. Our adversaries are innovating, deploying, and industrializing autonomous aerial and ground systems. ...precision effects, sensing, and mission software at scale. The United States and its allies cannot cede that advantage, and we do not believe they will. Despite the political tensions we see in Washington, across Europe, and in other allied capitals, we believe the need to invest in these capabilities has broad and durable support across aisles in Congress. This is a structural, multi-year demand.
...supported by operational urgency and increasingly resilient procurement priorities. ONDS has been built specifically for this adoption curve. We have assembled a differentiated portfolio of... ...software-enabled capabilities across aerial security, persistent intelligence, precision strike, autonomous ground systems, and AI-enabled command and control. We continue to... ...and integrate those capabilities while expanding the supply chain, manufacturing, field support, and sustainment infrastructure required to deliver reliably at scale. These investments... ...in our position with customers and support the much larger company we are building. We also believe the platform company model is required for our industry to scale. Customers need integrated, mission-ready systems that can be delivered... ...and supported across the operational lifecycle. Investors need a financial model that deploys capital efficiently, generates operating leverage, and supports sustained investment in innovation and growth. That is the model we are building at ONDIS, a diversified global business with multiple drivers of organic growth, an expanding base of recurring revenue, and the scale to efficiently deploy capital and sustain investment. Importantly, we believe a growing portion of our business will be driven by recurring and repeat revenue streams. This includes software, services, and sustainment, as well as
mission-critical components designed into customer platforms that generate repeat orders and are difficult to substitute. Together, these revenue streams provide greater visibility, durability, and performance. predictability as our business scales. Our focus continues to be on execution, converting backlog, delivering on major programs, scaling production, integrating our technologies, and demonstrating the profitable growth our platform model can generate. In closing, I want to restate the three main takeaways from today's call, which we mentioned at the outset of our call. First, ONDS is establishing a scaled global business. with a strong foundation for sustained long-term organic growth. Second, we have multiple opportunities to drive outsized growth, including Ultra, IonStrike, Regna. AI, and others, with the potential to meaningfully accelerate our growth trajectory. And thirdly, we are laser-focused on rapidly scaling production and deployment capabilities to capitalize. On accelerating demand for our solutions. We believe ONDS is positioned to become a global leader in autonomous defense and security technologies, and to create substantial long-term value for our customers.
- Q&A31:04
Eric BrockChairman, Chief Executive Officer, and PresidentThank you again for joining us today. Operator, we will now open the call for questions.
- Operator
Pressing the keys to ensure the best sound quality. Once again, that is star and then one to join the question queue. Our first... The question today comes from Trevor Walsh from Citizens. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Citizens JMP
Trevor WalshAnalyst · Citizens JMPGreat.
Good morning, all.
Thanks for taking the questions.
I wanted to talk a little bit about Ultra, if I could. Eric, can you maybe unpack that $1 billion recurring revenue stat that you had on the slide that you talked about in the prepared remarks, and kind of what really does that consist of, and does that... Is that really a U.S. dependent type of number, or is that broadly for the platform? Just a little bit more color there would be helpful. Thanks.
Eric BrockChairman, Chief Executive Officer, and PresidentHey, Trevor, thank you for the question, and it's an important... I want to ask Ryan to unpack that for us. Yeah, thanks, Trevor. I appreciate the question. So if you look at just the global demand for combat air... patrols or combat lines with the US Air Force and our allied partners, there's approximately 110 combat air patrols that are deployed globally. And so what we see and what we're experiencing today is an increase in what is what we would call a mixed fleet. Of systems for combat air patrols. You saw Secretary Mink mentioned in a speech recently that they deployed both Reapers and all. Ultras to great effect. And what he's talking about is that mixed fleet for a combat air patrol. And so in seeing that mixed fleet. We're seeing that there is operational utility of having both Reapers and Ultras in support of a combat air patrol. For ONDOS, the ongoing annual cost of a combat air patrol or the revenue for a combat air patrol is $23 million. If you just extend that to, you know, less than half of the global combat air patrols, that gets us to a billion in sustained revenue on an annualized basis. Inclusive of the acquisition costs of the platform. Great. Yeah. That's, you know, Trevor, that that's a. A US number. Perfect. Yeah, that makes sense. I appreciate the explanation. If I can just do one quick follow up. I can understand that the the gross margin kind of outlook is.
Kind of the pressure there is extending in the Q4 and potentially in the Q7 and it sounds like that's really more a mix type of outcome that you know somewhat out of your control because. So you want to just sell so you can get out the door, but I'm just trying to bridge or marry you pulling forward the the EBIT uh um uh adjusted EBIT outlook a quarter. forward next year. Should we expect gross margins to significantly kind of get back or you know abate the pressures there and get back to that 40 plus percent range to kind of meet that that adjusted EBIT dog. Is that sort of the best way to think about it or as far as the timing of both sort of coming together or is there maybe am I missing something there? Yeah, good question. So you're right. It was a there's a combination. of mix for sure, but some inefficiencies as we are ramping programs and driving scale. We think both will improve to the upside moving through into and through 2027. And we do have that longer term target, I'd say over the next 12 to 24 months to get that into the 45 to 50 percent range.
So, as I mentioned earlier, we're going to talk about that. As it relates to the expectations around profitability and being EBITDA positive on a consolidated level, we're just getting increased visibility around.
Around the revenue ramp and the gross profit ramp vis-a-vis our operating expenses. So, we think we're on track.
Perfect.
Question · Citizens JMP
Trevor WalshAnalyst · Citizens JMPThanks all for the questions. I'll hop back in the queue.
- Operator
Our next question comes from Austin Bolig from Needham and Company. Please go ahead with.
Question · Needham & Company
Austin BoligAnalyst · Needham & Companyyour question. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the solid quarter and strong outlook. Maybe just one on that $1.1 billion guide with backlog expecting to grow. In Q4, do you guys expect the majority of that to get filled in 27? And if that's true, it leaves like roughly a few hundred million dollars to hit that target. So the 1.1 billion field. So I'm curious on if you could lay out potential upside scenarios and what that might look like. Awesome. Great question. And of course, we're still in 2026. So I want to be a little bit. I want to defer getting into some more granular conversation around upside. You know, $1.1 billion is a substantial step forward for us. And we do have quite a bit of visibility. And I think that is going to improve this quarter because we do see a strong pipeline and are optimistic. Let's think about the bookings cadence as we are going through the quarter. So we do endeavor to give targets that are conservative. And we're working very hard to establish that and sustain that track record of delivering for our investors. So, you know, I feel good about the $1.1 billion and, you know, of course. We're going to work really hard to put a higher or to outperform that. All right. Perfect. And then maybe just one more. And on the M&A from, but uniquely enough, this morning. A public satellite company announced their first acquisition in like the unmanned ground space.
- Management
And like their whole rationale is they believe space is becoming an important layer within this modern warfare domain. I'm just kind of curious. It feels like a natural extension for ONDIS to kind of expand into the space domain. How do you guys view that? And like, what would that maybe look like? Yeah, so I think for sure. And, you know, we're in the, we describe our ISR business as multi-domain. And, of course, that starts with the stratosphere for us where we bring unique capabilities. And that goes all the way. You know, down through, you know, of course, the ultra platform of group five long endurance drone, group three, two, and one, both ISR and STRIKE. So, you know, we do have an interest in. In the space domain, but we don't, I really don't think it's time for us to unpack that and give an outlook as to how we may approach it. I don't feel it's essential to. to us or that it's a gap, but it would be an opportunity. All right.
- Management
Thank you guys.
- Management
We'll keep up the great work.
- Operator
Our next question comes from Jonathan.
Segment from Stiefel. Please go ahead with your question.
Question
?JonathanAnalystHey, good morning.
Thank you for taking my question. A lot of good news in the quarter. Maybe talk a little bit about the. Ground vehicle opportunity. Now that it's entering. Production. Can you talk a little bit about. What's firmly ordered and the production rate. Supported in 27. And just you know just how do you how do you reserve for any contingencies. Related to that steep ramp that you have. Thank you. Okay. Yeah John. So we've got. Quite a bit going on in our land systems business. And as we said today we've combined that under a single leadership team. And that includes a forum. It includes. Robo team in Utopia, Apparo, as well as Indoworth. As we're moving into Q4 in the first half of 2027 you're going to see the Indoworth.
Eric BrockChairman, Chief Executive Officer, and Presidentorders in program ship. We think that has a possibility of expanding actually with additional orders. We see 4M continue to deliver on its land clearance activities and we actually see opportunities there to have more follow-on orders around major cleanup programs that we've announced. And we think that there's generally a strong demand. I'll add that the Iron Wave systems have been deployed and have been well received and we're expecting to. Grow that business into 2027 as well. So, I don't want to give a specific number on what that looks like for 2027, but I do think it's going to be a big chunk of the mix. And we did share, you know, what that looks like in terms of targets in our outlook for the land business. Good. Thank you. And then I'll ask just one on budgets just because we're in such a… dynamic environment and recognizing there's not a clean answer on some of these things. But just how much of your growth could be dampened if we don't are able to have it? Extended CR or not be able to pass reconciliation? And then over in Israel, can you give some context on what could change and not change if the U.S. stops supporting funds over there? Thank you. Okay, so I'll start with the latter on Israel, and then I'll ask Ryan to share more context on the U.S. market and some of those dynamics you'll have. So firstly, we have a very strong foundation in Israel. In fact, none of the business we have today has been funded or is expected to be funded by the U.S. government. So we feel like we have a very good.
position there. And of course, Israel is had an election and they're forming a new government. We think our business there is very strong. We're going to continue to invest in Israel security. And Israel, like all the markets we're seeing, is undergoing a shift towards unmanned systems, economy, robotics. And it's quite clear that ONDS is an important part of that market there. So we're going to continue to invest, and I don't see a significant impact on any pullback in funding from the United States to Israel impacting us. I do think that is- as just opportunity. Ryan, would you share some insight onto the U.S. business and outlook? And I'll highlight before you do that, you know, the United States is now about- half our business. And I think that's going to continue to be the biggest market for ONDUS. So, Ryan? Yeah.
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?JonathanAnalystThanks, Eric.
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And John, thank you for the question. For the- Work we're doing currently in the U.S., that- all of that work is either currently in a 2026 budget, therefore, you know, transitioning into a- at current levels. Uh, in addition to that, a lot of the growth that we're seeing is supported by O&M budgets, uh, and not new starts. Um, so, uh, we feel- quite confident that we're isolated, uh, um, from a continuing resolution, uh, and that, uh, you know, an extended CR is not going to impact, uh, the growth that- uh, that we see in front of us. Um, I'll also highlight, uh, that in a CR, uh, you know, the- the offerings that we have, and I'll speak specifically to Ultra, uh,
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uh, and so we believe that, uh, the O&M budgets will actually go further than, uh, than they would have otherwise gone, uh, in being able to provide that very important capability, uh, around. around the world. Um, and all of, all of our other programs, like I said, are, are supported with current budgets, uh, and O&M.
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Thank you very much.
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Our next question comes from Tim Horan from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Oppenheimer
Tim HoranAnalyst · OppenheimerThanks guys.
I'm, I'm straight, um, going from hundreds to thousands and man.
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Yeah. Sure. So we're today, um, shipping against, uh, or preparing to ship. Against the orders that we described on the call, Tim, and those are low rate production, uh, as we're moving into 2027, we have a plan to scale that production. And of course, we'll do that, uh, in concert. with our customer as we're looking towards, uh, reorders. Uh, Ryan, would you add anything to that? Yeah, the, the only thing I'd add is, uh, that we have all of the, the manufacturing. footprint that we need to scale it to, uh, the levels we're talking about in 2027. Um, we're adding, uh, the, the people resources to be able to support that growth, uh, and. We're, uh, well aligned with our supply chain, uh, to be able to, to scale at the rates that we're talking about. Yeah. So we'll spend some more time, Tim, uh, going through the details of the expansion. That's the expansion for ion strike, uh, as we get more visibility into, uh, follow on orders. So stay tuned. I mean, can you talk about the demand for that qualitatively? I mean, and. I guess if the demand is there, you're talking about this being a, at least a billion dollar run rate business in a year. Uh, well, yeah, I mean, the demand is, is massive and there's a massive shortage. Interceptors and it's a critical requirement. Um, you know, you, we know that's the case in Ukraine. We know that's the case in the Middle East as well and the case in Europe. Um, so yeah, I think we're an environment with.
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We're, uh, we're well positioned. We've got the product that's, uh, that's meeting requirements, uh, for this next generation she had, uh, which is a menace, uh, uh, in Ukraine and elsewhere. Um, and I, I think, uh, you know, I think we're, we're actively working on this capacity expansion because we do expect, uh, this to become a significant business for us. And just to follow up on the ultra. I'm just trying to understand ultimately what the overall size of the market could be. I mean, do you think many, many more countries would adopt caps like this? Um, and if you're going to be, you know, a quarter of the total costs or much, much. Do you think the U S would adopt a lot more? Thanks. We sure do. And Ryan, what would you add to this in terms of the international opportunity? Yeah. So, you know, everything that we've talked. about thus far is specific to the U.S. We see growing demand in the Indo-Pacific region and in the European market.
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So, you know, that's a significant portion of of what we see. Our focus today is on responding to U.S. Air Force demand and once that's, you know, satisfied and we're at a steady rate with the U.S. Air Force, we'll see steady growth in the international market.
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Our next question comes from Michael Lattimore from Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Northland Capital Markets
Great, thanks, Jeff. Congrats on the strong growth here. With regard to Regna AI, can you talk a little bit more about the dynamics around that? What are the sales cycles like there, deployment timelines? And then, you know, how do you price it, gross margin, deal size, you know, a little more detail on Regna would be great. All right, great. Great question. And Ryan, you've been busy on this. I'm going to ask you to expand on this. Yeah, thank you. Great question. So I'll start with the sales cycle. What does that look like? So whenever a customer is deploying sovereign AI. You know, there's really two elements that are important for them to be able to deploy. The first is the hardware layer. And this is whether it be, you know, on-prem or air gap. Sovereign AI. And so we work with those customers to establish a sovereign hardware environment. And then deploy the sovereign AI models, the open-weight models on their hardware. So the, you know, the sales cycle is pretty straightforward. This is. Mostly software sales with a little bit of hardware infrastructure. And so, you know, we expect sales cycles to be measured in, you know, single digit months, you know, in most. Cases within a quarter. And then, you know, the overall deployment model is once hardware is identified or established for. For these customers, our job is to for deploy engineers to to design the overall model architecture.
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For them and the post training environment and then separately have the researchers that post train and fine tune the models based on their mission data. The revenue profile is the four deployed engineers plus the researchers and then the compute and storage. Uh, sales, uh, specific to operating their models. Awesome. Great. Um, and then, um, Eric, you talked. About one of the goals is, you know, uh, growing the reoccurring revenue over time. Uh, can you just bracket that a little bit more like in, in 27, what percent of revenue could that be or, or longer term? Uh, yeah, I, I can't put any more precision on it, uh, today. It's, uh, the, the recurring and reoccurring revenue, uh, is a small, uh, piece of our, um, of our revenue. Stream today, but as the installed base grows and, uh, we, we, we matured more systems of systems and software driven, uh, revenues. I think you can see it grow dramatically. So, um, so. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll be sharing more updates on that as we see that dynamic play through, but I'm very optimistic about it. All right. Thank you.
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Our next question comes from.
Clark Jeffries from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Piper Sandler
Clark JeffriesAnalyst · Piper SandlerHello.
Thank you for taking the question. I was just curious if you could remind us on any significant deliveries that. Or planned in the ISR segment for the second half of this year. I noticed it's the only category that didn't sequentially grow on the backlog. And it was one of those. The target. Revenue expectation jumped 27% in that category. Just any color on timing of revenue recognition and backlog to revenue transition in ISR. I think the ISR business is on plan, and I think the dynamic you're talking about is more of other parts of the business growing. Faster, perhaps, in terms of orders. As we've highlighted on the call, we're expecting a significant ramp in our ISR, specifically around ULTRA, and we do think the world view. Business is looking – we've got significant pipeline opportunities into 2027.
Perfect. And then just, you know – talking about these adjusted EBITDA timelines and the ability to pull it forward here another quarter in terms of the overall corporate number, you know, what's making the most difference there? You know, it seems to be a very bullish tone in terms of the bookings and the growth outlook, but curious maybe under the hood in terms of any kind of efficiency or. Or operating expense management that you're seeing from any of those, the Palantir partnership or otherwise what's making the most difference here? Thank you. The big, yeah, the biggest difference is is just. You know, the revenue gross profit expansion we're seeing in 2027 is significant. We're going from, you know, doing over $500 million in revenue. And we're funding that business so it can be a billion dollars plus next year. So we've made a lot of investments in the last several quarters, specifically to scale the business to handle a much bigger. Revenue stream, not just in 27, but into 2028. I'll also add that as we're giving us the targets around profitability and even to up-break even, we've been- ...liberately conservative because we want to get, again, coming back to my earlier statement, it's important for us to deliver a track record of meeting expectations and even exceeding them. So I think we've got strong momentum in the 2027. We're going to be generating significantly higher levels of revenue and gross profit. And of course, that's what it takes.
To get the operating leverage, and that's what we've been signaling to bring us into, you know, to drive profitability of the business. So it's just that simple.
Thank you very much.
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Thanks, Clark.
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Our next question comes from Matthew Galenko from Maxim Group. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Maxim Group
Matthew GalenkoAnalyst · Maxim GroupGreat. Thanks. First question is on, I guess, can you expand a little bit on the funding concept for Regna and expectations for the timeline to become a material revenue contributor? It sounds like you're not necessarily including it in your early 27 forecast. I just wanted to level set there. Yeah, sure. So we're not including the Regna. We have a financial outlook in our forecast today, so it would be upside. And as we've outlined or highlighted, Matt, we are pursuing- Regna with financial partners, and I want to be- I want to hold off on the details until we're able to complete the conversations. With those investors, but I highlight that the conversations are advanced. It's with tier one VCs with deep experience in building AI infrastructure services businesses. And- As we- as we secure, you know, that funding, we're going to be able to share a lot more about the financial model looking into 2027 and beyond. Great. Thanks. And my follow-up, I guess, is on working capital and inventory. Had a pretty nice build in third quarter and obviously pretty significant revenue ramp for 2027. I'm curious. You can maybe go into the working capital dynamics that we could expect to see into the fourth quarter and as you kind of pursue that ramp for 2027. Thanks. Sure. So, yeah, we are building. Inventory and capacity in front of this very steep revenue curve so we can deliver against that. And I'd expect to see us.
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Inventory in entering this quarter to support the stronger growth in 2027 as well.
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And of course, Matt, we're going to switch to another question. You know, we're working very hard on cash conversion cycles. It's a very big focus internally. To ensure we're managing our working capital as efficiently as possible.
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Our next question comes from Samir Joshi from HC Wainwright.
Please go ahead with your question.
Question · H.C. Wainwright
Samir JoshiAnalyst · H.C. WainwrightHey, good morning.
Thanks for taking my questions.
I just wanted to understand the cash spend over the next 12 to... How should we look at it in terms of acquisition budget versus capital expenditures versus just operating costs? Sure. So I think I'll start first with investing in a business. We have a significant opportunity to do that. And we've highlighted some of the things we're doing specifically. Specifically on production capacity and supply chains. And I'm expecting us to continue to have that focus. So you'll probably see CapEx move higher in a... I'm likely to be in a position to give you more details on that as we're in 2027. And certainly by the time we report... ...our Q4 results, but perhaps before that. And so there is a significant opportunity for us around Ultra where we require STEMI. ...to onshore the production capacity in the U.S., which is critically important for the customer, but also in and around Iron Strike, where we see, as we've discussed on the call, a dramatic... ...opportunity here to really grow a big business, and then Iron Strike actually can be a family of systems. So we're exploring that, and I'm hopeful that we can share more details. Probably early in Q1 next year. Otherwise, on the acquisition side, we still continue to see a very strong acquisition pipeline. I think our thesis around building operating platforms or having operating platforms be the right model to scale and deliver these unmanned and autonomous systems to the critical markets where we're focused on.
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Our customers are showing there's value in this, the partners, the talent are, and of course the investors are. So at the same time, you know, thinking about the cash utilization in our acquisition. Program more broadly, we are going to be very financially disciplined. The cost of capital matters when we're thinking about acquisitions. They all have to be financially accretive to our investors and that that's the measuring stick, right? They have to be financially accretive. And we don't have to do anything today. We have a complete company. We're operational across four important domains. We now have a global footprint and we have incredible talent. So we have more than enough internal opportunities coming back to that investment I was just referring to a moment ago to drive growth and operating leverage. In the business. So I still believe that the core strategic plan works, but given where we are in this market environment, I think you can expect. Just to be more moderate and more deliberate in the acquisition program when you're thinking about our use of cash and the use of capital.
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Thanks for that.
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That was a nice detail to have. Just a quick one on 4Q Outlook. I think you beat your own guidance and consensus. Quite handsomely in 3Q, but the 4Q seems to be at the same or similar levels at the 250 plus, 255 are on. Was there anything that was pulled?
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When we have customers who provide orders, they need capabilities, and we deliver against our production timelines, and today is better. Then tomorrow, that's always going to be the case. And then if you're thinking into Q4, we're just giving a target that we think is achievable, if not beatable. And we think it's a strong performance. Understood. And I just wanted to congratulate on a really nice presentation. The business is complicated, but… It is very well presented.
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Thank you, Samir.
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Our next question comes from Max Michaelis from Lake Street. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Lake Street
Max MichaelisAnalyst · Lake StreetHey, guys.
Congrats on the quarter. Just one for me and it's on IonStrike. Looking at the rest of the market, I know Anderl, Raytheon, Quantum Systems, all got products in a similar space. I mean, can you help? Can you help differentiate the technology at IonStrike versus these other guys and maybe help us out where that $50,000 per unit sits compared to the rest of the market? Yeah, sure. Ryan, I'm going to hand this to you. Yep, great, Max. Great question. So there's a couple of things that differentiate IonStrike, and I'll get to the. You know, the price for the system here again, but from a capability point of view, IonStrike was designed to integrate with current C2 systems and then. In addition to that, uh, it's not a fire and forget system, which is another key differentiator of the system. Uh, a, uh, a, a customer, uh, can. Uh, either abort or retarget the system to a higher priority target mid flight, uh, using current command and control systems and targeting systems, uh, from a, a, a. Cost per kill point of view. Uh, this is the huge differentiator for ion strike. Uh, you know, the other systems that you talked about, you know, are still systems that are rather exquisite. Uh, you know. And measured in hundreds of thousands of dollars on a, on a cost per system and therefore a cost per kill basis. Uh, whereas ion strike was designed from the very beginning, uh, to. To be, uh, uh, to achieve cost parity. The against, uh, the target set and this, and in this case, the Shahid one, three, six class systems. Uh, and so, uh, both from.
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Capability point of view and from a price point of view, uh, it's, uh, it's clearly differentiated and we're seeing that in the demand that continues to grow for ion strike.
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Okay.
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Thanks guys.
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And our next question comes from John Hickman from Ladenburg. Please go ahead with your question.
Question · Ladenburg Thalmann
John HickmanAnalyst · Ladenburg ThalmannHey, uh,
nice quarter. Could you, um, you just talked about all the acquisitions you've been making. Could you give us some indication of where you are in integrating? Seeing those all together and to a point that you would be, you know, say you're finished with that. Yeah, sure. So, uh, uh, we've made significant progress, uh, and this is something that we work on every day. Uh, the key to getting this operating leverage and profitability is being able to, uh, to the- deliver our capabilities to customers efficiently. So we're working really hard on building that operating platform. We've pointed to the investments we've made. Of course, a big part of those investments are, are firstly in leadership. We've assembled an incredible team. And then also there's the production and delivery capabilities. And we thought we were spending a lot of time sharing with you how we're doing that. And we're going to continue to do that, try to scale and the supply chain. Drive scale and the production. Drive scale and the field services and sustainment. And that's going to be an ongoing basis. I feel like we're in a really good spot here. We highlighted today that we have. Created the land services business. So division or segment and that's going to be where our ground capabilities are delivered at the same time where we're. We're also a systems assistance company. So our land groups are working in integrating technologies with other parts of ONDAS, for example, the counter drone systems and the kinetic systems. So.
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So I think you should expect us to see, you know, to show you more of that, more of that, you know, organization of the company and, you know. I'll point to another place, ONDAS Sentinel, right? We've got Worldview and now Design under Ryan's leadership. We've been an incredible leadership team there and we're going to market as one ONDAS, so. So again, we've made a tremendous progress there. There's going to be a massive focus for us. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right.
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And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be concluding today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Eric Brock for any closing comments.
Okay, thank you. So, it was a great call today. We appreciate all the questions and engagement, and we appreciate you joining us. And thank you for your continued interest in NONDOTS. We're going to get back to work, and we look forward to updating you on our- progress. Operator, we can conclude the call. And with that, we will conclude today's conference call and presentation. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
We'll see you next time.