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MAIN Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 6, 2026

Main Street Capital Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call - webinar.net

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  • Management 27%
  • Ryan McHugh 23%
  • Dwayne Hyzak 17%
  • David Magdol 16%
  • Analysts 7%

Management

  • Ryan McHugh

    VP, CAO & Assistant Treasurer

    9 min

  • Dwayne Hyzak

    Ceo, Smd

    7 min

  • David Magdol

    President, Cio And Smd

    6 min

Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.

  1. Prepared remarks0:05
  2. A replay of today's call will be available beginning an hour after the completion of the call and will remain available until November 13th. Information on how to access the replay was included in yesterday's release. We also advise you that this... This conference call is being broadcast live through the internet and can be accessed on the company's homepage. Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, November 6th, 2026, and therefore, you are advised... ...that time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of any replay, listening, or transcript reading. Today's call will contain forward-looking statements. Many of these forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as anticipates, believes, expects, intends, will, should, may, or similar expressions. Statements are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections as of the date of this call, and there are no guarantees of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in these statements as a result of risks, uncertainties, and other factors, including, but not limited to, the factors set forth in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be found on the company's website or at sec.gov. MAIN Street assumes no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law.

  3. During today's call, management will discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including distributable net investment income, or DNII, and DNII before taxes. DNII is net investment. Investment Income, or NII, as determined in accordance with U.S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principals or GAAP, excluding the impact of non-cash compensation expenses. The NII before taxes is NII as ...

  4. of non-cash compensation expenses and any tax expenses included in NII. Management believes that presenting DNII and DNII before taxes and the related per-share amounts is useful and appropriate supplemental disclosure for analyzing Main Street Capital Corporation's financial performance since non-cash compensation expenses ... ... do not result in a net cash impact to Main Street upon settlement, and tax expenses included in NII may include excise tax expense, which is not solely attributable to ... NII, and deferred taxes, which are not payable in the current period. Please refer to yesterday's press release for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable ... GAAP financial measures. Two additional key performance indicators that management will be discussing on this call are Net Asset Value, or NAV, and Return on Equity, or ROE. NAV is defined as total assets minus total liabilities, and is also ... on a per-share basis. Main Street defines ROE as the net increase in net assets resulting from operations divided by the average quarterly NAV. Please note that certain information ... discussed on this call, including information related to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. And now I'll turn the call over to Main Street CEO, Dwayne Hijak.

  5. Dwayne HyzakCeo, Smd

    Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We appreciate your participation in this morning's call. We hope that everyone is doing well. On today's call, we will provide our key quarterly updates. After which, we will be happy to take your questions. We are pleased with our performance in the third quarter, which resulted in an annualized return on equity of 14.7%, DNII before taxes... per share in line with our guidance from last quarter's call and an increase in NAV per share. We believe that these results continue to demonstrate the sustainable strength of our overall platform, the benefits of our different... differentiated and diversified investment strategies and the continued strength and quality of our portfolio companies. We're also pleased to have further enhanced our liquidity position and... strengthen our capital structure as a result of an increase in SBIC debenture barring capacity through our SBIC funds in the third quarter and again through our recent investment-grade debt offering in October, both of which... Ryan will discuss in more detail. Given our strong liquidity position and conservative leverage profile, we are very well positioned to continue the growth of our investment portfolio for the foreseeable... ...future, and we are excited about the current opportunities we are seeing. We remain confident that our unique investment income and value creation drivers, together with our cost-efficient operations and conservative capital structure...

  6. ...will allow us to continue to deliver superior results for our shareholders in the future. The favorable results for the third quarter, combined with our continued positive future outlook, resulted in our most recent dividend announcements, which I will discuss in more detail later. Our NAV per share increased in the quarter, primarily due to the impact of significant net fair value appreciation in our lower middle market investment portfolio. Brian will also discuss our NAV per share increase in the quarter. The continued favorable performance of the majority of our lower middle market portfolio companies resulted in another quarter of meaningful dividend income contributions. A net fair value appreciation in our lower middle market equity investments. Consistent with my comments over the last few quarters, we continue to see increased impacts from higher levels of performance variances versus expectations. For both our over-performing and under-performing portfolio companies, and those impacts are again reflected in our current results. As a result, we are focused on maintaining a disciplined approach that's consistent with our historical practice to managing our relationships with our over-performing and under-performing portfolio companies. Overall, based upon our current views of the investment portfolio and feedback from our portfolio... ...company management teams, we continue to maintain a positive view regarding the expected future contributions from our lower middle market portfolio companies.

  7. We also continue to see significant interest from potential buyers in several of our lower... ...middle market portfolio companies, which we expect will lead to favorable realizations over the next few quarters. We believe this interest further highlights the strength and quality of our portfolio companies and their acceptance... ...leadership teams. Now, turning to our investment activity, the third quarter was slower than our expected normal quarterly activity in both of our primary investment strategies. Our lower-minnewakin investment activity... ...included one new portfolio company investment, which, when combined with other investment activity, resulted in a net decrease in our lower-minnewakin investments of $19 million, while our private loan investment activity... ...resulted in a net decrease in our private loan investments of $2 million. David will discuss our investment activity in more detail. Now turning to our asset management business, we continue to produce... ...positive results for the funds we advise through our external investment manager, with the continued favorable performance in the third quarter, resulting in meaningful incentive-income for our asset management business, and together with our recurring... ...management fees, a significant contribution to our net investment income. We remain excited about our plans for the external funds that we manage, and are optimistic about the future performance of the funds and the expected returns...

  8. the investors of each fund. We also continue to be excited about our strategy and expectations for growing our asset management business within our internally managed structure. As part of these efforts, we remain focused on growing the investment portfolio of MSC Income Fund, a publicly traded BDC advised by our external investment manager, which is solely focused on our private loan investment strategy with respect to new portfolio company. MSC Income Fund's 3rd Quarter 2026 Financial Results Conference Call will be held later this morning, during which we will provide additional details upon our results for the 3rd quarter. A favorable outlook for the future. Earlier this week, our Board declared a supplemental dividend of $0.30 per share, payable in December, representing our 21st consecutive quarterly supplemental dividend and an increase to our regular month. Dividends for the fourth quarter of 2027 to $0.27 per share. These first quarter regular monthly dividends represent a 3.8% increase from the regular monthly dividends paid in the first quarter of 2026. The supplemental dividend for December is a result of our favorable performance in the third quarter and our net realized gains over the last few years. and will result in total supplemental dividends paid during the trailing 12-month period of $1.20 per share, representing an additional 38% paid to our shareholders in excess of our regular monthly dividends.

  9. We currently expect to recommend that our board continue to declare future supplemental dividends to the extent DNII, before taxes, significantly exceeds our regular monthly dividends paid, or we generate meaningful net realized gains. And we maintain a stable to positive NAV per share in future quarters. Based upon our expectations for continued favorable performance in the fourth quarter, we currently anticipate proposing an additional significant supplemental dividend payable in March, 2027. Now, turning to our current investment pipeline, as of today, I would characterize our lower middle market investment pipeline as average. Consistent with our experience in prior periods of broad economic uncertainty, we believe that our ability to provide highly flexible and customized financing solutions to lower middle market companies and their owners and management teams together with our differentiated long-term to permanent holding periods represents an even more attractive solution to the needs of many lower middle market companies, and we are excited about our expectations for the continued growth of our lower middle market. In our private loan investment strategy, we continue to see an improved lending environment, and we have recently experienced a significant increase in the volume of attractive and viable opportunities. We believe has us well positioned to capitalize on new private loan investment opportunities and to generate growth for our private loan portfolio and our asset management business.

  10. We also want to characterize our private loan investment pipeline as well above average. With that, I will turn the call over to David.

  11. David MagdolPresident, Cio And Smd

    Thanks, Duane, and good morning, everyone. As Duane highlighted in his remarks, we believe that our third quarter financial results continue to demonstrate the strength of Main Street's platform, our differentiated investment approach, and our unique operating model. We are pleased to report that the overall performance for most of our portfolio companies continues to be positive, which contributed to our third quarter financial results. Each quarter we try to highlight different key aspects of our investment strategy. and differentiated approach that allow us to consistently produce best-in-class results. For today's call, we thought it would be useful to spend some time discussing the support we provide to our lower middle market portfolio. In addition to our ongoing investment management activities and the managerial assistance we offer to our lower middle market portfolio companies, each year we are excited to host an annual president's meeting event for the most senior leaders of our lower middle market portfolio companies. For those of you who are not familiar with our president's meeting, it's an annual event that we host for our lower middle market portfolio company leaders to network, build relationships, share best practices, learn from each other and from third-party speakers, and benefit from being part of Main Street's family portfolio. This year marked the tenth time we have hosted this event. Based on post-event feedback from our lower middle market portfolio company executives, the event is highly valued by the participants.

  12. And the event improves each year as we refine our agenda based on the feedback we receive. Topics covered at our most recent event included artificial intelligence. Intelligent use cases presented by a panel of our portfolio company executives. Insurance and risk management best practices presented by our in-house. Chief risk officer. The business case for strategic talent management presented by our in-house talent operating partner. Beginning your AI journey presented by a third-party industry expert. We had an economist speak about his views on the U.S. economy, and our keynote speaker was Hall of Fame football coach who shared stories and strategies on leadership. Talent development, and how to build sustaining, winning teams both on and off the football field. As a result of this annual event, our portfolio companies have increasingly worked together, referred business teams, to each other, utilize each other as operational resources, and formed long-term relationships that we believe are invaluable. One important topic we covered this year was best practices for... using artificial intelligence in lower-middle market businesses. This session was led by two of our portfolio company CEOs, together with the individuals at their companies who lead their internal AI efforts. They presented specific cases... ...studies on how they've used AI in their businesses, how they got started, lessons they learned along the way, and what they would do differently if they were launching an AI initiative today. The audience Q&A was...

  13. ...very active, and we are highly encouraged by the potential benefits our lower middle market portfolio companies can achieve as they continue to adopt AI in the future. Two other important sessions that we... ...were led by Main Street executives and focused on risk management and human capital at portfolio company level. We are pleased to have our Chief Risk Officer present on how we can... ...support our portfolio companies with the implementation of enhanced risk management and insurance related initiatives that we believe will benefit our companies going forward. Our in-house talent operating partner presented on how we can support our companies as they assess... ...and strengthen their teams, compensation alignment, culture, and organizational efficiency. She also addressed succession planning and management, which is a critical area of value creation. ...and risk mitigation for our lower middle market companies. The engagement from the audience during the event was robust and led to post-event discussions that we believe will ultimately improve the future financial results and operating performance for our lower middle market portfolio companies. Given our primary focus on our lower middle market investment strategy and the unique benefits it can provide to us, our management team partners, and their companies, we are excited to bring together the key leadership. From our lower middle market portfolio companies at our annual president's meeting.

  14. We always leave this event very excited about the quality of the individuals leading our lower middle market portfolio companies and the future value creation that we... expect they and their teams can generate for our mutual benefit in the future. We left this year's event more excited than ever. Now turning to the composition... of our investment portfolio as of September 30th, we continue to maintain a highly diversified portfolio with investments in 187 companies spanning across numerous industries and in markets. Our largest portfolio company... The External Investment Manager represented only 3.3% of our total investment income for the trailing 12-month period and 3.4% of our total investment portfolio fair value at... The majority of our portfolio investments represented less than 1% of our income and our... Our low middle market investment activity for the third quarter included total investments of approximately $61 million, including an investment of... $39 million in a new lower middle market portfolio company, which after aggregate investment activity results in the net decrease in our lower middle market portfolio of $19 million. In our private loan strategy, we completed $162 million in total private loan investments, which after aggregate investment activity resulted in a net decrease in our private loan portfolio of $2 million. At the end of the third quarter, our lower middle market portfolio included investments in 92 companies, representing $3.3 billion of fair value, which was 28% of our private loan payments.

  15. Our private loan portfolio included investments in 86 companies, representing $2.1 billion of fair value. Total investment portfolio at fair value of quarter-end of our related cost basis. Additional details on our investment portfolio at quarter-end are included in the press release that we issued yesterday. With that, I'll turn the call over to Ryan to cover our financial results, capital structure, and liquidity position.

  16. Ryan McHughVP, CAO & Assistant Treasurer

    To echo Dwayne's and David's comments, we are pleased with our operating results. for the third quarter, which included NII per share and DNII per share amounts that were in line with our prior guidance and another increase in NAB per share. Our total investment income for the third quarter was $142.5 million, increasing by $2.7 million, or 1.9%, over the third quarter of 2025, and decreasing by... ...$7 million, or 4.7% from the second quarter of 2026. Interest income increased by $8.6 million from a year ago and decreased by $800,000 from the second quarter of 20... The increase from prior year was principally attributable to the impact of higher levels of income-producing debt investments partially offset by the negative... ...impact from investments on non-accrual status and a decrease in interest rates, primarily resulting from decreases in benchmark index rates on our floating rate debt investments. The decrease from the second quarter was principally attributable to the impact of a decrease... in prepayment activity and lower levels in income-producing debt investments, partially offset by an increase in interest income due to an additional day in the third quarter. Dividend income decreased by $5.7 million when compared... ...to a year ago after a $1.4 million increase in unusual or non-recurring dividends and decreased by $1.9 million from the second quarter, including a $300,000 decrease in unusual or non-recurring dividends.

  17. The decrease in dividend income from prior year is primarily due to a decrease in dividends from our lower middle market companies as a result of exits since the beginning of comparable period in prior year. and changes in the performance and capital allocations decisions of our existing lower middle market companies relative to the prior period and decreases from our external investment manager, partially off- set by an increase in dividend income from our private loan portfolio companies. The decrease in dividend income from the second quarter is primarily due to decreased dividends from our lower middle market. Middle market portfolio companies as a result of changes in the performance and capital allocation decisions of our existing lower middle market portfolio companies partially offset by an increase in dividends from our private loan portfolio companies other portfolio. Companies and the external investment manager. Fee income decreased by $100,000 from a year ago and by $4.4 million from the second quarter. The decrease in fee income from the second quarter is prior. Primarily due to a decrease in fee income from the refinancing and prepayment of debt investments, lower closing fees on lower middle market investments, and other investment activity. Fee income considered non-recurring increased by $700,000 from a year ago and decreased by $1.9 million from the second quarter of 2026.

  18. The third quarter included income considered less consistent. Non-recurring in nature primarily related to dividend, accelerated interest, and fee income, which totaled $6.1 million. These income items were $1.8 million, or two cents per cent. Higher than the third quarter of 2025, $3.4 million, or four cents per share, lower than the second quarter, and fairly consistent with the prior quarter average. The increase from the prior year is primarily due to higher nonrecurring dividend income and fees. The decrease from the second quarter was primarily due to lower nonrecurring fees. and accelerated interest income. Our operating expenses increased by 6.7 million dollars over the third quarter of 2025 and by 1.2 million dollars from the second quarter. The increases in operating expenses from the prior year and second quarter were largely driven by increases in interest expense. The increase in interest expense from a year ago was primarily driven by an increase in average borrowings to fund a portion of the growth of our investment portfolio and an increase in the weighted average interest rate on our unsecured debt obligations resulting from borrowing and refinancing activities partially offset by a decrease in the weighted average interest rate on our credit facilities resulting from decreases in benchmark index interest. rates. The increase in interest expense from the second quarter was primarily driven by an increase in the weighted average interest rate on our unsecured debt obligations resulting from borrowing and refinancing activities.

  19. The ratio of our total operating expenses excluding interest expense as a percentage of our average total assets was 1.2 percent for the quarter on an annualized basis. and 1.3 percent for the trailing twelve-month period and continues to be among the lowest in our industry our external investment manager contributed eight point four million dollars to our net investment income during the third quarter which represents a decrease of four hundred thousand dollars from the same quarter a year ago and a decrease of three hundred thousand dollars from the second quarter our external investment manager earned gross incentive fees of three point five million dollars during the third quarter and way received six hundred thousand dollars in incentive fees from MSC income fund resulting in net incentive fees of two point nine million dollars. This net result represents a decrease of one million dollars in net incentive fees from prior year and a decrease. of one hundred thousand dollars in net incentive fees from the second quarter of 2026. Our external investment manager ended the quarter with total assets under management of 1.8 billion dollars. This quarter we recorded net fair. value appreciation including net unrealized appreciation and net realized losses on the investment portfolio of 40.9 million dollars. This increase was primarily driven by net fair value appreciation. in our lower middle market and private loan investment portfolios partially offset by net fair value depreciation in our middle market investment portfolio and fair value depreciation.

  20. of our external investment manager. the net fair value appreciation in our lower middle market portfolio was largely driven by the continued positive performance of certain of our portfolio companies. the net fair value appreciation in our private loan portfolio is primarily driven by net appreciation on several specific portfolio equity investments partially offset by depreciation primarily associated with increases in market spreads. the net fair value depreciation of our middle market portfolio is primarily driven by net depreciation on specific portfolio investments. the depreciation of our external investment manager was primarily driven by decreases in the valuation multiple And now. of publicly traded peers which we use as a benchmark for valuation purposes and average incentive fees partially offset by increased base management fees. Additional details on our net realized fair value activity are included. in the press release that we issued yesterday. We ended the third quarter with investments on non-accrual status comprising 0.9% of the total investment portfolio at fair value and 3.5% at cost. NUDAT Net asset value or NAV increased by 30 cents per share over the second quarter or 0.9% and by $1.44 per share or 4.4% when compared to a year ago to a record NAV per share. $34.22 at quarter end. Our regulatory debt-to-equity leverage calculated as total debt excluding our SBIC debentures divided by NAV was 0.7 times and our regulatory asset coverage was 0.7 times.

  21. 2.42 times. These ratios continue to be more conservative than our long-term target ranges of 0.8 to 0.9 times and 2.25 to 2.1 times respectively. We continue to be active on capital activities aided by our strong relationships as we continue to manage our overall capital structure diversity. In September, we received SBA approval to increase our SBIC Depensure. We received SBA approval to increase the capacity by $75 million to a total of $425 million, with the potential for at least $50 million of additional capacity under current SBIC Depensure. In October, we issued $500 million of investment grade on secured notes maturing in January 2030 with a coupon rate of 6.55% and a yield of 6.8%. Given our current liquidity position and recent net investment activity, we were less active in our at-the-market or ATM program, raising net proceeds of $10 million from the equity issuances during the quarter. After giving effect to our capital activities, we entered the fourth quarter with strong liquidity, including cash and unused capacity under our credit facilities, totaling $1.6 billion, with our next-term debt maturity of $400. million due in June 2027. We continue to believe that our conservative leverage, strong liquidity, and continued access to capital are significant strengths that have proven to benefit us historically. and have us well positioned for the future, allowing us to continue to execute our attractive investment strategies despite the current market uncertainty. Coming back to our operating results, DNII before taxes per share for the quarter of 98 cents

  22. Q&A25:24
  23. Ryan McHughVP, CAO & Assistant Treasurer

    was 9 cents per share lower than the third quarter of last year and 10 cents per share lower than the second quarter. Looking forward, we expect fourth quarter of 2026 DNII before taxes of at least 98 cents per share with the potential for upside driven by portfolio investment activities during the quarter. With that, I will now turn the call over to the operator so we can take any questions.

  24. Operator

    Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. please while we poll for questions.

  25. Our first question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

  26. Question · Raymond James

    Robert DoddAnalyst · Raymond James

    Hi everybody and congrats on the quarter again. Two questions both related to pipelines but the two different ones. Given a private loan, I mean you categorize well above average and I think you said a significant increase in the pipeline. I mean that's quite good. How would you and I know when it's early in the pipeline, you don't necessarily know where pricing is going to shake out. That tends to come out at the end, right? And in the past, you you've lost some deals at the end related to, you know, unacceptable pricing for your return expectations, right? So you know, can you kind of give us a framework around that in terms of the pipeline being well above average, but I mean, do you expect that, do you believe that market pricing in the private loan market has moved sufficiently that that pipeline and that, that would be at sufficient pricing for you to actually be willing to close it? I, you know, is that well above average potential? well above average originations or just opportunities?

  27. Management

    Good morning.

  28. Question · Raymond James

    Robert DoddAnalyst · Raymond James

    Thanks for the question.

  29. Management

    I'll give a couple of comments and I'll let you know. I don't want to add anything else that he wants to add, but I would say when you look at our discussion each quarter on pipeline, what we're talking about is transactions that are not finalized clearly. They're still subject to diligence and legal documentation. and some other activities, but by the point we put it in the pipeline, I would say the general terms and conditions, size of facility, leverage, loan-to-value, and pricing are all pretty well. So everything that we have that we're quoting here would fit that category, clearly still subject to diligence and legal documentation and finalizing the transaction, but for all intents and purposes, most of the terms... ...have been agreed to. And that's consistent with what we would have been given to you in the past when we gave commentary on pipeline. Regarding pricing, I think we feel good about the pricing. It would be in line with what you've seen us execute historically. I don't think we've seen significant changes in pricing recently or in terms and conditions. I think overall, we feel good about the nature, types of companies, the transaction structure and pricing that would be. You know, in these transactions or investments in the pipeline if they get executed. Would that be my comments? But, Nick, add on any additional color? Yeah, Robert, I think the only thing I'd add there would be, you know, the pipeline we do quarterly is we kind of do a...

  30. Management

    judgment call on, you know, consistent judgment call on how that moves forward. And so there's always the risk that either the sponsor doesn't win the transaction at the end of the day, they don't close, or we don't, you know, finalize our financing. But that's kind of baked into how we view the pipeline and expectations. So there's always a risk that we don't get to the finish line and close. But as of now, you'll feel really good about the pipeline. Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then flipping to the other side. The lower middle market average. Average isn't bad. On that, you know, it is an election year. I mean, elections are done, but it was only a couple of days ago. But was any of the, and there's obviously broad economic uncertainty, you know, geopolitical issues with, you know, a war, etc. I mean, how would you characterize the likelihood of that? Lower middle market activity, you know, early stage pipeline, a pipeline accelerating, given now the elections are behind us, but there's still a lot of others. I mean, just trying to get a gauge on whether there was a temporary lull because of all that, and we could see a reacceleration above average, or if this is, you know, well, I mean, average is average. I mean, we're going to stay here for a while. Yeah, Robert, I would say that it's truly to tell if there's going to be any impact from the election. I think the pipeline is average, as you said. It's not meant to be negative.

  31. Management

    I want it to be better. Obviously, you always want to achieve as much positive outcome as you can. But the pipeline is average, and I don't think it's average because people are waiting on the election. I don't think we expect to see a big change post-election. If there's anything. That drives activity to be slower than we would want it to be. I would say it's more just a continued uncertainty in the marketplace. There's a lot of moving parts and pieces across the U.S. economy. That can cause transactions to either not come to market, or if it does come to market and you get engaged in diligence, it can cause things to not go as planned just because of the uncertainty in the marketplace. But I wouldn't say there's anything that's impacted. The pipeline is a result of the recent elections. But David, feel free to add on. Anything you want to add?

  32. Management

    Thank you, Robert.

  33. Operator

    Our next question is from Aaron Siginovich with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

  34. Question · Truist Securities

    Thanks. Maybe... On the credit quality side, how are you seeing the health of your portfolio companies, I guess, both on the LMM side and also on the private... Sure, Aaron.

  35. Management

    Thanks for joining us and thanks for the question. I would say it's consistent with what you've heard us say in the past. We're not seeing significant changes in the... Quality of the portfolio, whether it's the good, high-performing companies or the number of companies that are underperforming. What I did include in my prepared comments, which I think we've been including for the last couple of quarters, is that when you see overperformance or underperformance... You're seeing on both ends, you're seeing that variance versus expectations, you'll be more significant. And I'd say that's continued in the current quarter. But outside of that, I wouldn't say there's any significant...

  36. Management

    And I think you had touched on inbound interest in some of your LMM portfolios. You know, it seems like you always have some interest coming in on those. Anything in particular that seems like it would be more likely to, you know, move in the next three to six months? I think to your point, Aaron, we always do have some level of inbound interest. I think when we're given that commentary, which we have given that commentary pretty consistently for the last couple of years, it is because not only is there interest, but I say that interest. Potentially viable, both from our standpoint and our partners in the portfolio companies, the management team and owners of the business. It's also viable from their perspective. So I'd say that's consistent with what we've been saying. We have seen elevated interest, and we do think that there's a good probability, high likelihood that something happens in the next quarter or two. Great. Thank you. Thank you.

  37. Operator

    Our next question is from Chris Mueller with Citizens. Please proceed with your...

  38. Question · Citizens JMP

    Chris MullerAnalyst · Citizens JMP

    Nate, on for Chris.

  39. Thanks for taking the questions this morning. Just maybe following up on the dividend commentary a little bit. The compounding nature of your guys' lower middle market portfolio has obviously been a pretty big differentiator for you guys over time. Through the equity appreciation and growing dividend income. Now in the prepared remarks, you mentioned changes in performance and capital allocation decisions at some of those companies. Should we think about those? Capital allocation decisions today. Particularly, maintaining the balance between dividend income and the reinvestment back into those businesses itself.

  40. Management

    Thanks for joining us and thanks for the question. I'll give a couple of comments. David, add on. I would say that the commentary there is meant to just provide additional color into what the portfolio companies are seeing, how they're acting. We have seen dividend income from the low and middle market companies come down some. We do share your view. It's been a fantastic value creation driver for Main Street and for our portfolio companies. We expect that to continue going forward. But we do think given the current. State of the economy going back to the uncertainty that I referenced earlier. In certain situations companies are being more conservative in their capital allocation and some companies have seen their earnings and cash flows decline. So you're seeing both of those impacts, both of those results impact the dividend income we're seeing from the portfolio companies. Overall we still feel really good about the portfolio. But that's what we're communicating in those comments. But David, feel free to add on additional color. Just a little bit of additional color. You know, with as broad a portfolio as we have, many industries that we cover, we see a lot of variability. Within those specific industries. So it's a moment in time as to which ones are reallocating capital versus more comfortable making distributions. So we're always looking ahead, doing flashes, talking to our portfolio companies, being proactive. But, you know, with an economy like.

  41. Management

    We're looking up on fuel prices and such. It has different impacts on different companies, which is what.

  42. Management

    Right. Got it. That makes a lot of sense. And I appreciate the color there. And then just quickly another, if I may, given where base rates are today and how they're expected to keep moving higher, I think you guys might have some. unique insight, given that kind of partnership you guys tend to do with a lot of your companies, particularly with that meeting you guys had, are you guys seeing anything unique that might be helpful in terms of how your farmers are going to absorb that and how you guys might be able to take advantage of that environment? I wouldn't say anything that's new or unusual in this environment, just a reminder, when you look at our lower middle market investment strategy and practices, the majority of our investments on the debt side, the loans we have to those companies that we partner with, they're fixed rate. As rates rise from a market index or a market rate standpoint, they don't have a direct impact on these companies. That's intentional from our side. That's been the case for over 20 years now. Since we've been executing this consistent lower-middle market strategy, we want to make sure we put in place a structure that allows our management team, owner-operator partners. They can focus on managing the business, dealing with customers, vendors, employees, etc., and not worry about their capital structure moving around. We think it's been a strength historically. We think it will continue to be a strength going forward.

  43. Management

    It's been consistent with our practice on the lower middle market side since we've been involved going back to the early 2000s. Yeah, that's great.

  44. Management

    Thank you so much for the comment. Thank you.

  45. Question · Citizens JMP

    Chris MullerAnalyst · Citizens JMP

    Thanks for the questions.

  46. Operator

    Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 in your telephone keypad.

  47. Our next question is from Melissa Ludo with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

  48. Question · UBS

    Melissa LudoAnalyst · UBS

    Hi, this is actually Corey Johnson on from Melissa. I did have a question in regards to, you know, you mentioned earlier that you're receiving interest in your lower middle market portfolio. Companies, you know, from sponsors, any particular like industries or, you know, any type of businesses where you're seeing any type of like elevated interest at all? Yeah, just to make sure we're clear, it's not necessarily always from sponsors. It could be a wide range of different potential buyers or acquirers. I'd say in terms of the industries, I wouldn't say it's concentrated in any particular area. We've got a diversified portfolio, and a wide range of these companies are doing well performing at high levels, and as they grow, and particularly as they get above $10 million, $15 million of EBITDA, they just become more viable as a candidate for other people that want to acquire those companies, so we're not seeing anything different in terms of that interest from third parties.

  49. Management

    Thanks. And just as a follow-up, you know, at your president's meeting, you know, you mentioned how AI is one of the use cases. AI use cases was one of the things that was discussed. You know, I was wondering maybe how those AI conversations have evolved from, say, the meeting that you had. Last year versus this year, like, what is adoption sort of looking like in those portfolio companies? And, you know, obviously, it'd be hard to decide other than that, but what are, you know, do you have any thoughts? on, like, some of the benefits that some of these companies may get and, like, how people see, like, realizations from them over time, like, you know, how might that expand some of their, the value? Just maybe with your broad sort of, like, thoughts on those. Sure. Like I did earlier, I'll give a couple of comments, and David can add on if he has additional views or. Your thoughts on it, but I'd say, like we said in the past, you know, most of our lower middle market companies are more mature, you know, basic industries. We view that description in a very positive way, not a negative way, but, you know, they're not. Your technology, your software, heavy businesses. As a result, when we look at AI, we do not think it's going to be a massive change to these companies. I think we've said that before, and I think that can. Continues to be the viewpoint today, but can they become more efficient, more effective in certain areas, whether it's back office, accounting, administrative, whether it's in their sales channels, or for companies that are doing manufacturing.

  50. Management

    You know, putting new technology or processes, tools in place that allow them to be more efficient, but also be safer in the way they operate their business. So we're definitely seeing that. Across the board. So our goal at the president's meeting is just to share best practices. And we prefer not to have a third party share those best practices. We want it to be their peers across the portfolio. So we had a couple of our companies that are. more advanced in their use of AI, give specific examples and case studies for what they're doing. So we do think the adoption is increasing. We think it will continue to increase just like it is likely across the entire U.S. economy. But still, we're measured in what we think the real outcome would be just because most of our companies are more basic, mature businesses or industries. All I'd say is to your question about themes, I'd say last year we were looking at AI tools that were leverageable and already developed by others across the whole portfolio for various back office and other functions. And shared resources there. This year we had a couple of specific examples of how portfolio companies and their teams had developed customized AI tools to make their business business. They were efficient or to get better information flow off of existing systems. And having that discussion in front of group contacts with open Q&A for people to ask about their journey with AI was really, really helpful.

  51. Management

    And stimulated a lot of discussion. And undoubtedly, after the meeting, we'll have follow-up with those portfolio companies to stimulate that.

  52. Management

    We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments. I just want to say thank you again, everyone, for joining us. We appreciate the continued support of our shareholders and we look forward to our next call in February after the release of our fourth quarter results. Thank you.

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