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KPLTW Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026
Katapult Holdings Q3 2026 Earnings Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
- Management 31%
- Corey Miller 7%
- William Baker 0%
- Analysts 37%
- Operator 4%
Management
Corey Miller
Management
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William Baker
President
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Analysts · 2
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Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:03
KORI already walked through the 30 million in cost synergies we've identified. Legacy catapults technology is how we take that further. We're putting a digital application, real-time decisioning, and checkout to work across the business. This will allow us to make better credit decisions and serve more customers more efficiently. The third lever we're focused on is what it cost us to fund the portfolio, and that's our biggest near-term opportunity. We ended the quarter with 1.95 billion of debt, about two-thirds of an asset-backed, and 261 million of cash. Net leverage was about 3.5 times. Our debt sits in 18 credit facilities across the businesses. A result of the transactions that brought these companies together over the years. That's more complexity than we need, and it costs us more than it needs to. We're well into the work to simplify the structure and lower interest expense, and we expect to make significant progress in 2027. The opportunity is meaningful. Every 100 basis points we take out of our cost of debt is about 20 million a year in pre-tax cash flow. In the meantime, we expect to refinance the 100 million dollar legacy catapult revolving credit facility ahead of us December 4th maturity. Now to our outlook. For the fourth quarter, our first full quarter as a combined company, we expect revenue to be between 975 million and 1.02 to 5 billion and adjusted EBITDA to be between 105 million and 120 million. Our outlook reflects a cautious view of the consumer. As Corey described, our customers are dealing with persistent inflation, higher fuel prices and other budget pressures. We're seeing
this in lower average tickets and more selective spending in lease to own. Our outlook assumes these conditions continue through year end. Given that backdrop, we're staying disciplined on underwriting and protecting margin rather than chasing volume. Our fourth quarter range also reflects the seasonal pattern of the combined business. Since this is our first quarter reporting as a combined company, it's worth walking through how we expect a typical year to play out. The first quarter has historically been our strongest for both of our segments. at roughly 30% of four-year adjusted EBITDA, as tax refunds drive higher recoveries and lower losses, particularly consumer finance. The second and third quarters are each in the mid-20s, and the fourth quarter is typically our lightest. at roughly 20%, as holiday lending builds the loan book and we take credit provisions up front. As you look ahead to 2027, we believe the right starting point is our combined full-year 2026 results, including today's fourth quarter outlook.
Use our technology to lower our cost to serve and manage losses. And third, substantially reduce our cost of funding. When we do these three things well, more of every dollar we earn should turn into cash, and that's what should drive value for.
- Q&A3:14
our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it back to the operator for Q&A. Operator. Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press start.
- Operator
Star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally. Please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of Kyle Joseph with Stevens. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Stephens
Kyle JosephAnalyst · StephensHey, Cory, Russ, and Bill.
Good morning.
Thanks for taking my questions.
Congrats on getting the merger closed. I know you guys have been very busy. To start off, Cory, I'd love to pick your brain. And just kind of hear how that Erin's business has been doing since she took over as CEO, you know, given it was private, but kind of get an update there in terms of any strategies you maintain, any strategies you shifted and, you know, where call it same store sales has been. Trending. Yeah, just a quick update there if you don't mind.
- Management
Good morning, Kyle.
Question · Stephens
Kyle JosephAnalyst · StephensThank you for the question.
You know, obviously, since the merger was finalized, we're not breaking out errands on its own, but leading up. To the merger, errands was in a strong place. The focus areas that we had over the past couple of years is really around meeting the customer where they're at. And I think that if you look back over time. The errands company was kind of being run as a retailer. And when I came in, I wanted to shift that focus back to consumer finance, meet the customer where they're at, lean into some of the new products that we put in place. Those being Aaron's Protection Plus and a revamped club program that allowed us to meet more of the customer's needs and then meet them either in our stores or online and focus on. The new way that that customer was coming to us, which was more and more online every year. So a lot of the things that we focused on at Aaron's leading up to the merger, we're continuing on obviously in a short period of time since we finalized the merger and we'll focus on that going forward. And Kyle, this is Russ. You know, I'd say Aaron's is the biggest part of the lease to own and retail segment. And so when you look at the lease to own and retail segment results for the third quarter, you'll see margin expansion and significant. EBITDA growth. And so we're obviously happy with the whole segment, but Aaron's is going to be the biggest part of that segment. Got it. Really helpful. And then wanted to pivot to the debt, the debt refi opportunity. I think you guys had.
- Management
1.95 million, or sorry, billion of debt. Can you give us a sense for what the cost of funds is on that and then kind of any sort of timing milestones or any, if we lap any. Maturities or prepayment areas. I know you guys want to make a lot of progress there in 27. And I also recognize you guys just closed the merger. So, but, but just want to hear about how you're thinking about that. Thanks. Yep. The college is Russ. It's great question. Obviously, as I mentioned, you know, our, our cost of funds and the complexity of our debt is a huge focus for us. If you think about kind of the basis for it, it really comes from how these companies have been formed over the years, really aggregation platform. And so the debt we have today doesn't reflect what we think Catapult Holdings as a new entity should have. So we're hard at work, really focused on simplifying our debt structure and lowering our cost of funds. You know, as we think about the gap between our current structure and what the market is, we think it's significant. And so, you know, we're hopeful to make significant progress on that in 27, you know, from a sizing perspective. You know, it's probably too early to give numbers, but, you know, if you look at, you know, a little bit under $2 billion in debt we have out there, every 100 basis points is roughly $20 million a year in pre-tax cash flow. And so the opportunity for our shareholders is meaningful. And as I mentioned, it's one of our top.
- Management
Priorities going into next year. Got it. And then last question for me. I appreciate the color you guys gave on the cost synergies. You know, as we think about the revenue side of things, you know, any more color you can give us in terms of timing and magnitude of this synergies there. Appreciate the color you gave in terms of walking us through how you're envisioning rolling them out. But yeah, any more color you can give us there. And that's it for me.
Question · Stephens
Kyle JosephAnalyst · StephensThanks for taking my questions.
- Management
Thanks, Kyle.
- Management
Another good one. As we look at the revenue, like I said, it's early on, but we are focused on referring customers back and forth, putting a referral program in place that allows every application that comes in. Another shot at converting into a customer and a lease or a loan agreement with those customers. Early days, like I said, but a new referral program that we put in has already given us 4,000 new lease agreements. Within revenue synergies, I talked on the last question about the protection plan that we put in place at Aaron's in a club program that was revamped. We also have converted that over. to our virtual lease-owned platform at this point as well. So we kind of view that as a synergy. We took a learning from Aaron's platform and we're driving a lot of good results with that so far. In the other area where we're focused as referring these customers back and forth, we're really leaning on the technology that Catapult brought to this merger. It was a valuable technology aspect of that business and we want to make sure we're utilizing that. across our business as much as possible, that customer wherever they want to shop, whether it's online, on the K-Pay app, in store, and through our merchant. partners. So different things that we're pulling from each of the businesses to collectively get to an approach on revenue that should ramp up our ability to grow revenue over the coming years.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Casey Coates with Loop Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Loop Capital
Casey CoatesAnalyst · Loop CapitalGood morning.
Thank you for taking my questions and congratulations on the merger and everything. My first question, I really wanted to kind of go back and learn more. So now the companies are operating together for three months now. So speaking on integration, what initiatives so far have been progressing the fastest and where are you seeing like the earliest like tangible benefits? And then that's all set there. Okay. Yeah. So far, 90 days in, we've identified 30 million of cost synergies in most- of that's been action. So we're really working hard to identify, act upon it, so we can start seeing those results, get the P&L as soon as possible, which we think is- it's going to build over the fourth quarter and largely be included in the run rate by mid- 2027. The areas where we focus to get those synergies so far have been organization changes, consolidating corporate regional offices, the back office functions that- we operate is an area where we're looking at to get into one operational footprint across a new combined business to capture those synergies. I'll say- I'll give an example that HR is the first- this along. We've moved HR to a single team. We have a new system that we're going to put in place January 1st, and we're all kind of set up to hit the ground running January 1st with that new streamlined structure. Another area we- focused on is our marketing groups. Before, we had three distinct marketing groups. We're all focused on the customer that came into their silos. What we've done so far is we brought those three silos into one marketing-
- Management
team. We have insourced some of the work that we had passed out to agencies in the past, driving more cost savings. And then as that work is coming into a single silo, we can be flexible across the business to- meet the demand where we see that demand being generated with the most impact to our revenue. So those are some examples. We think there's more than the 30 million to come and we're going to continue pushing it because like we said, it's early days and we're- not done capturing synergies, but that's the number we're at today. I understand. Thank you. One more from me. Speaking on TCFI, looking at that business, it's been relatively stable year over year. Revenue receivables. Looking at that, is it going, like, what are the primary drivers that could, like, reaccelerate growth for that business? Considering I know now there's a lot of more online and virtual competitors that are competing against. So looking at that business. What could, what could be the next step for them?
- William BakerPresident
Hey Casey, it's Bill Baker.
Question · Loop Capital
Casey CoatesAnalyst · Loop CapitalThanks for the question.
We're excited about all of the businesses, but with respect to CCFI. You know, there's a couple of things that I think give us a real advantage in the marketplace. And the first is really our call, click or come in platform. Corey talked about meeting the customer where they are and that's exactly what. What we do at CCFI, you know, obviously it's a challenging macroeconomic environment out there, but that also creates a lot of top of funnel demand for CCFI. And I think with the, you know, the robust. Underwriting and decision engines that we have, we can really manage that demand to improve margin, to really manage that business for margin. So I think, you know, having brick and mortar locations is an asset. I have having a robust digital. Properties is an asset. And quite frankly, you know, having a really experienced management team, both in the field and our contact centers and online to understand the customer allow us to be more proactive than react. So I think there's a lot of bright sky ahead for CCFI, particularly as we look to innovate new products and new platforms. And again, taking full advantage of the data that's available to the merger. And through the revenue synergies and, you know, an upside that we have through the other businesses. Understood.
Thank you for taking my questions.
- Operator
There are no further questions.
at this time. I will now turn the call back to Corey Miller for closing remarks.
- Corey MillerManagement
Thank you, Operator.
Before we close, I want to thank our teams at Aarons, Catapult, and CCFI. Working three companies together took well over a year of hard work, and our people kept running the business the whole time. I also want to thank Russ and Bill, who are in the room with me today, and Kyle Hansen, our executive chairman. This combination was Kyle's vision. And he has been behind it every step of the way. We're excited about the future. We believe we're well positioned to build the new catapult holdings into a true destination for non prime consumers, a place where they can get the goods and financial services they need in their everyday lives. None of the three companies could have built that on their own. We look forward to continuing our dialogue with the street. We hope you'll join our fireside chat at the Stevens investment conference on November 17th. A live webcast and. Free play will be on our investor relations website. If you have any questions or feedback, please reach out to Jennifer. Thank you.
- Operator
This concludes today's call.
Thank you for attending.
- Operator
You may now disconnect.