KLC earnings / call
KLC earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026
KinderCare Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
- Management 48%
- Tom Wyatt 24%
- Analysts 11%
- Operator 3%
Management
Tom Wyatt
Chief Executive Officer
12 min
Analysts · 4
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Yehuda Silverman
Analyst
2 min
2 min
1 min
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Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:00
Welcome to KinderCare's third quarter 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speech.
- Operator
There will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. It is now my pleasure to introduce Olivia Keir, Kinder Cares VP of Investor Relations. You may begin the conference.
- Management
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone.
- Management
Welcome to Kinder Cares 3rd Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Joining me from the company are Chief Executive Officer Tom Wyatt and Chief Financial Officer Tony Amandie. Following Tom and Tony's comments today, we will have a question and answer session. During this call, we will be... discussing non-GAAP financial measures. The most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of the differences between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures are available in our earnings release and within the supplemental earnings presentation. Both of which are posted on our investor relations website at investors.kindercare.com. A reminder that certain statements made today may be forward-looking statements. These statements are made based upon management's current expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company and involve a number of uncertainties and risks, which are explained in detail in the risk factors section of our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC. Please refer to these filings for a more detailed discussion. of forward-looking statements and the risk and uncertainties of such statements. The actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in our forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements are made as of today and except as required by law, KinderCare undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise.
- Management
I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Tom Wyatt.
- Tom WyattChief Executive Officer
Thank you, Olivia, and good afternoon, everyone. Third quarter revenue was $665 million as enrollment pressure in the KinderCare brand was partially offset by continuing... ...growth in Champions, which delivered its fifth consecutive quarter of double-digit revenue growth. CRIM continued to build on the progress we've seen throughout the year. We're investing to capture the long-term growth opportunity we see... ...Kendicare for employers, and we have made additional progress on our planned footprint optimization. Starting off with KinderCare, our largest brand, back-to-school enrollment fell short of our expectations. While inquiries... From perspective families are up year-to-date, we haven't been converting enough of that interest into enrollment. As we reviewed performance across our centers, it became clear that we could bring greater consistency to how we approach enrollment and family engagement. During the... the last quarter, we made a leadership change in the KinderCare brand, naming Chesley Escobedo to lead the business. Chesley has a proven record of successfully driving growth within our organization and has been given a clear mandate to drive performance across our centers. We also streamline the organization through additional field leadership changes and reductions in corporate and support roles. Together, these changes are designed to strengthen accountability, speed up decisions, and better align our support team.
With the needs of our centers. At the center level, we've identified administrative tasks we can remove from our center directors workloads, including shifting more specialized HR finance activities to. With our business partner teams and centralizing certain enrollment support activities. This gives center directors more time to support their teachers engage with families and focus on growing enrollment. We're also managing. Staffing with an eye toward both current enrollment and the growth we expect ahead, giving our centers the flexibility to welcome new families as enrollment builds from a seasonal low. As a world class leader in employee engagement, supporting our teams remains. We recently completed our annual employee engagement survey to better understand their experiences and where we can improve. I want to thank our teachers, center directors, support teams, and field leadership for their continued hard work and commitment to our children and families. That commitment to the families extends to how we engage with them before they enroll. We're making it easier to schedule tours, enhancing our follow up with families. And using new AI tools to support those interactions. We're also making targeted marketing investments in markets where we see opportunities to reach more families. Retention among our existing families is around its highest level. Since I've been with kinder care. We're now bringing that same level of care and attention to new families as they consider rolling. And we're beginning to see results while total enrollment remains below last year's levels. We're seeing a change in trajectory since the end of back.
School, we've been enrolling more new children than we did during the same period last year. This is a result of stronger execution across our centers and more consistent engagement with families considering kinder care. We are pleased with this improvement, which puts. on track to narrow the year over year enrollment gap by approximately 200 basis points as we head into the holidays. Our focus now is to build on this progress, continue driving greater consistency across our centers. and carry this momentum into 2027. We believe these actions are putting KinderCare on a stronger path for long-term growth. We're also nearing completion of the planned center closures that we mentioned to you last quarter. We closed 20 additional centers during this quarter bringing the total to 69 through Q3 and expect to complete approximately 85 closures for the full year. These actions are helping us better align our footprint with local demand and focused resources where they can have the greatest impact on the families and communities. We serve. Tony will discuss the financial implications and our progress on the lease resolution shortly. Turning to our other brands, we're seeing positive performance in several areas where we're focused on sustainable growth. At Krim, we continue to make progress throughout the year, including during the important back to school season. While enrollment remains below last year, the gap continues to narrow week to week and the business is performing ahead of our expectations. We are pleased with the early performance of our new
school in Irvine, California, which surpassed its first year enrollment expectations within the first 50 days of opening. It's a great example of the man we can capture when we bring our premium education offering to a mark. with a clear need for high quality care. At KinderCare for Employers enrollment at our comparable centers grew approximately 2% during the quarter. We also have eight new on site centers under contract over the next two years and we're focused on growing that pipeline. A key area of focus is tuition benefit where we see significant opportunity to make childcare more accessible and affordable to working families. At the same time, these partnerships will help drive additional enrollment into our. Existing kind of care, crim and champions locations. We've also significantly expanded our sales and client relationship teams to strengthen our ability to win new employer partnerships and deepen relationships with existing clients. This is a deliberate investment in the long-term growth of the business and one we believe positions us to capture more of the opportunity ahead. Turning to champions, we delivered another strong quarter with average weekly enrollment increasing approximately 17% year over year, reflecting growth across both existing programs and new sites. Throughout 2026, we've been focused on opening high quality programs and locations with strong family demand. That approach is delivering results with enrollment at this year's new sites running ahead of last year's
openings at the same time in their development. Beyond new site growth, we're seeing strong enrollment growth within our existing champions programs. We believe that reflects the quality of the experience our teams provide and a trust. They built with our families. And even with that growth, we see considerable opportunity to reach more families within the school districts we already serve. We're also taking a disciplined approach to expansion through new partnerships, focusing on locations where family demand is strong. And where we can build programs with strong enrollment and sustainable performance. More broadly, we recognize that families are navigating a challenging economic environment. Higher costs across many parts of their lives are putting pressure on household budgets. While changing working arrangements are influencing how they think about their childcare needs. Despite these pressures, we're seeing higher inquiry levels than we did a year ago, reflecting continued interest from families looking for high quality care. As I mentioned earlier, retention of our existing families also remains very high. Against this backdrop, we're focused on making high quality childcare more accessible and affordable for families. We're finding ways to expand our reach through programs that help families access care, for example. We recently acquired two new centers in New Mexico where the state's universal childcare program is helping make high quality care more affordable for families. We're also expanding our participation in public pre K and other.
Publicly funded early education programs, including before and after school care to better meet the needs of working families. We're building the partnerships and capabilities to bring these programs to more communities with a focus on quality and long term sustainability. High quality education remains at the center of everything we do. Our proprietary curriculum has a demonstrated track record with assessments showing that children in our programs are better prepared for kindergarten. Those assessments also show that learning outcomes are stronger among children who remain enrolled in our programs longer. We're now investing in the next generation of our curriculum. which we plan to introduce next year. Historically, curriculum enhancements have been well received by teachers and families and have helped attract new enrollments by demonstrating the value of a kind of care education. Beyond our core curriculum, we see opportunities to expand. the educational experience we offer families through small group enrichment programs. Learning adventures has been a bright spot this year, reflecting families interest in additional learning opportunities for their children. These programs allow children to explore subjects like. Onyx stem and Spanish. We're focused on increasing participation within our existing centers, expanding our reach to new locations and introducing new offerings, including seasonal programs to build on children's interest. As we look towards the end of 20.
26, I want to bring together a few of the priorities we've discussed today. We've spent much of this year strengthening our business, simplifying how centers operate, and improving the support we provide our field teams. More recently, we've made decisive. Active leadership changes to reinforce accountability and improve execution. Throughout this work, we've remained focused on managing expenses carefully while investing in the people and capabilities needed to improve performance. Beyond the KinderCare brand, we continue to see positive momentum across the other parts of our portfolio. Champions continues to deliver strong growth through existing programs and new site expansion while we continue to make progress at CRIM. At KinderCare for Employers, we've expanded our sales and client relationship teams to pursue new partnerships. And drive enrollment into our existing centers. We're also expanding our participation in public pre-K, growing our small group entrenchment programs, and preparing to introduce our next generation of curriculum in 2027. We recognize there's more work. But the improvement we've seen in enrollment trends since back to school gives us greater confidence in the actions we've taken. With inquiries running ahead of last year, we believe improving our ability to convert that interest into enrollment is a significant. opportunity. Where we finish this year matters because it establishes our starting point for 2027. As we look ahead, our focus is on sustaining this momentum and building a stronger kind of care. That means continuing to improve execution, investing in growth and expanding our ability to deliver high quality care.
education to more children and families. Tony will now walk you through the financial results for the quarter and our outlet for the remainder of the year.
- Management
Thank you, Tom.
- Management
I'll start with our third quarter financial results, provide an update to our optimization. work, and then I'll discuss our outlook for the remainder of 2026. Third quarter revenue was $665 million, a decline of 1.7% from $677 million last year. Lower enrollment across our KinderCare centers continue to pressure revenue, partially offset by growth in Champions, along with contributions from small group enrichment and newer centers. Average weekly ECE enrollments declined approximately 6% for Q3 compared to the prior year, including a negative impact of approximately 190 basis points from center closures as part of our footprint optimization. Same center revenue declined approximately 20 million or 3.2% primarily reflecting lower enrollment at our existing centers. The decline included approximately 21 million in lower revenue from centers operating in both periods, along with the 12 million impact from center closures. These decreases were partially offset by approximately 13 million in revenue from newer and acquired centers entering the same center cohort. Same center occupancy was 63.8% in the third quarter down 320 basis points year over year. Our optimization work provided a benefit of approximately 150 basis points for the quarter. As we assess the performance of our remaining portfolio, we're looking for progress on two fronts. Growing enrollment, which drives revenue, and improving occupancy.
- Management
Which reflects how we effectively work utilizing our center capacity. Pricing contributed approximately 2.8% to ECE revenue performance during the quarter, in line with our expectations. Turning to other components of our revenue performance, Champion. Pricing contributed approximately $8 million in year over year revenue growth. Importantly, that growth reflects both higher enrollment in existing programs and the additions of new sites. We're encouraged by the opportunities in KinderCare for Employers. A growing pipeline of employer-sponsored centers provide visibility into future expansion, while tuition benefit offers another way to connect families with our existing KinderCare centers. We've recently expanded our investment in B2B sales and client success capabilities to support both opportunities. And we believe these investments will help KinderCare for Employers become an increasingly important contributor to our long-term growth. During the quarter, we opened six new centers and acquired three additional centers. Cash considerations for the acquisitions was approximately $764,000 net of cash acquired. New and acquired centers have contributed approximately $20 million in revenue so far this year. Turning to the financial impact of our footprint optimization, we estimate the center closures will result in revenue headwind of approximately $32 million for 2026. We also estimate the closures will provide a benefit of approximately 150 basis points to the same center occupancy for the full year. Looking at the ongoing financial impact based on the work completed to date, we estimate an annualized benefit to adjusted EBITDA of approximately $2 million.
- Management
$10 million, mainly comprised of lower rent expense associated with leases that have definitive termination dates. For this year, cash impacts from the lease terminations are expected to be $15 to $17 million. We also expect an additional $8 to $10 million impact in early 2027 for leases terminated related to the closures completed this year. Although our plan center closures are nearing completion, we still have work ahead to resolve the associated lease obligations. We currently expect approximately $10 million in dead rent. associated with 2026 closed centers to carry into next year. We've engaged a third party firm to help negotiate additional lease terminations with the goal of reducing those remaining obligations where it makes financial sense. As we did last quarter, we've included a slide in our supplemental earning materials. Outlining the impact of center closures completed to date and our expectations for the remaining work this year. Turning into profitability, we reported a net loss of $85 million, or $0.71 per share, compared to net income of $5 million, or $0.04 per share, in the prior year quarter. The year-over-year change was primarily driven by higher non-cash impairment losses, including goodwill impairment triggered by the decline of our stock price, as well as impairment related to closed and underperforming centers. Adjusted net loss was approximately $3 million, or $0.03 per share.
- Management
compared to adjusted net income of $15 million, or 13 per cents per share, in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $43 million, compared to $66 million in Q3 last year, primarily reflecting lower enrollment and the resulting operating deleverage in our ECE business. This quarter's results include approximately $3 million in severance expenses associated with the organizational changes Tom discussed earlier. These costs are included in G&A and were not added back to adjusted EBITDA. reducing the reported result by the full amount. As Tom discussed, we're taking a disciplined approach to managing expenses while making targeted investments to improve enrollment performance. We're also making deliberate staffing decisions that balance labor costs. with maintaining the capacity to welcome new families and deliver a quality care they expect. SG&A was 10.9% of revenue compared to 10.8% in the prior year quarter. While expenses declined slightly in absolute dollars, the lower revenue based resulted in a modest increase of the percentage of revenue. Lower incentive and stock based compensation expenses helped reduce SG&A during the quarter. Those savings were largely offset by ongoing rent and other property related costs associated with the remaining lease obligations at closed centers. As well as severance expenses I mentioned earlier. Interest expense declined to $18 million from $24 million a year ago. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $143 million in cash and $188 million of available
- Management
capacity under a revolving credit facility. We've generated approximately $20 million of free cash flow year to date while continuing to take a disciplined approach to capital spending and investment priorities. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA was approximately $3.5 million. five times, reflecting lower earnings and reduced cash balance, including costs related to our optimization plan. As we discussed last quarter, we expect leverage to remain elevated through year end as we complete the remaining closures and continue working to resolve the associated lease obligations. While the closure will be completed this year, we expect the lease resolution process to continue into 2027. Termination payments will continue to affect near term cash flow and we've reflected the anticipated 2026 impact in our updated free cash flow outlook. Turning to our updated financial outlook for the remainder of 2026, we now expect revenue between $2.64 and $2.66 billion, adjusted EBITDA between $190 and $195 million, and adjusted EPS between $0.02 and $0.04. The reduction in our outlook primarily affects enrollment performance during the third quarter that fell short of our previous expectations and the resulting impact on revenue and profitability. While enrollment trends have improved in the fourth quarter, that timing improvement limits contribution to our full year results. Looking at the revenue growth assumptions, we expect occupancy to be a headwind of approximately 2.5% for the year. Because our optimization work has reduced capacity and benefit to report occupancy, enrollment occupancy have diverged more.
- Management
than they typically would. As a result, we expect lower enrollment to represent an additional headwind of approximately 1.5%. We expect tuition to contribute approximately 2.5%. We are maintaining our expectations for champions in B2B. to contribute approximately 1% to revenue growth, with new center openings and acquisitions, each contributing in approximately 50 basis points. We continue to expect center consolidations represent approximately a 1.5% headwind to revenue growth. Finally, the absence of the 53rd week, the benefit revenue last year represents approximately a 1.5% headwind. We expect capex for the year to total 120 to 125 million dollars. Free cash flow expected to be less than 10 million dollars. including the elevated cash costs associated with optimization work. For modeling purposes, assume an effective tax rate of 3% for the year. Our updated guidance reflects our latest expectations for the fourth quarter, including improving enrollment trends we observed through October. These are the progress we've seen in the recent weeks, and while we're taking a measured approach to its financial contribution for the remainder of this year, those trends give us greater confidence in our starting position for 2027. Before closing, I want to reinforce some of the key messages Tom shared earlier. We've taken decisive steps to strengthen our growth. accountability, improve execution, and drive better enrollment performance.
- Management
We're backing those actions with deliberate investments in our people and capabilities, including in B2B, curriculum, and enrollment. Importantly, we're beginning to see results. The improvement in our recent enrollment trends gives us greater confidence in the actions we've taken and the direction we're headed. With more work ahead, we're focused on sustaining that progress and entering 2027 on stronger footing. With that,
- Q&A22:10
- Operator
let's open the line for questions. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of Tony Kaplan.
of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question
?Yehuda SilvermanAnalystHi, this is Yehuda Silverman on for Tony Kaplan. Just have a quick question around your comments on higher costs potentially putting more strain on family budgets and tying that into inquiries. So if my main question is, if inquiries are up a year ago and doing well year to date, despite more strain on the budgets, what do you think the reason that this is not necessarily converting into enrollment at the pace you thought it would was and how has the initiatives to gear these center directors towards bringing in more families and simplifying their tasks led to any better conversion compared to before you implemented these initiatives? The biggest culprit for where we stand today has been execution and that's what why we talked so much about cleaning off the slates of the center directors giving them more time for tours for quality conversations with families who are. contemplating come to our company and bringing their children. So that's number one. Number two, I would tell you as we saw the cleaning off of the activities that were in the center post that. Back to school, we did see, as Tony and I both mentioned, a significant change in the trajectory of the business and where we did pick up a couple of hundred basis points in enrollment after back to school. So it. It really has been an execution situation. Our center directors had a lot of activities, some that we weren't even aware of that we took off the plate. And a lot of that didn't happen until really around the back to school timeframe. But since then, we feel like we've really.
- Management
They've done a good job of clearing the activity structure of their daily lives and we're seeing the benefit of that. Great. And just a quick follow up on. And some of the closures that you've made. So aside from them being lower occupancy, can you talk about some of the attributes of these centers, such as regions and markets, demographics, and what you thought has made them struggle more recently? Sure. Yeah, so as we've talked about in the past, there really wasn't any big geography things that we saw, big shifts geography-wise. And as far as demographics, the biggest demographic thing that the majority of these centers had was child density in the kind of under five age. So previously, they were at a different level, and we've just seen them shift where just not quite as many children around in that area, and potentially not as many children per provider as well. And so, as we saw those come, there's just not as many children to serve, and we weren't able to do so profitably, and that's the biggest factor we really saw.
- Management
Of course, thank you, Huda.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of-
Andrew Steinman of J.P. Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Well, I am still curious about this line in the press release that, you know, since the end of back to school, new enrollment have outpaced the same period last year, though- Overall enrollments remain below last year. I just want to understand what the word overall enrollments mean. Is that after closures or is this existing, let's say, remaining centers, and then if it's remaining centers- don't those remaining centers somewhat benefit from repatriating families from the closed centers? Yep, good question, Andrew. Let me see if I can explain a little bit. So first, let me take your last question. We always hope to maintain- and retain as many of those families at centers as we can. I know you've heard from us in the past when we did some of our closures years and years ago. So many of our centers were overlapping that we retained a really high percentage of them. I guess, unfortunately, in this moment, not as many centers were as close to each other. So it was harder to take those children into other magnet centers as much. We still did a nice job and tried to maintain as many as possible. So there's. A little bit of that in the hundreds of students that we were able to kind of maintain from those 85 centers. What we mean by that statement Andrew about coming out of back to school was we're trying to be clear that we're seeing. better new student enrollments so new students joining us after back to school kind of through the holiday season than the new students that joined us last year. However also trying to be very clear that our.
Total enrollment is still below last year, so we have not broken through to that. So we're trying to explain those two things in that one sentence and that might have been what the confusion was in Andrew, just to add on to that we. What I tried to say relative to the difference in that, the growth that we've seen post back to school has increased or decreased the deficit of children we had up to year to date from over 5%. to 3%. So that was a 200 basic points that I refer to. OK, still behind, but but gaining on it. OK, thank you.
Thanks, Andrew.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Manav Patnik of Barclays. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Barclays
Ronan KennedyAnalyst · BarclaysHi, this is Ronan Kennedy.
I'm from Manav. Thank you. Taking our questions. If not mistaken, pricing for the quarter was in line with expectations, but remains down from the historical mid-single digits. Can you give us a reminder of the drivers of that dynamic, whether it's private pay pricing fatigue versus lower than expected state? And then can you also comment on price elasticity trends in the private pay and the subsidized family cohorts? Yeah, of course. Good question. So, yep. So pricing in Q3 came... I mean, as we expected it to, and the message stays where it was in Q2, and it'll hold here in the Q4 as well. Our private pay rates went in for our final kind of low double-digit percentage of students got... those final rates in the start of September that hadn't aged up or weren't new yet. And our private pay rates are hitting right where we expected them to. We're not...we're actually seeing discounting down this year, so private pay is done great. On the subsidy... And we've talked about this. Year to year, the subsidy rates ebb and flow a little bit. Over time, we've always seen collectively subsidy rates move in line with overall private pay market rates, but year over year, they might not. And that's really where we're seeing this year. Versus where we started the year if their expectations not come in, that the subsidy rates collectively across our 41 states and D.C. are below where we expected them to be, and that's the pressure we're feeling here, and also the pressure we'll feel in the Q4 as well.
- Management
And then elasticity. You asked about elasticity too, Ronan. Let me get to that one too. It continues to be in the pricing area for us. On the subsidy side, kind of is what it is, right? A family generally gets a voucher. In certain states, they have to chip in. A little bit, but they're chipping that in, whether it's a KinderCare or any other provider. So that's not really a pricing decision much they need to make. They're doing that no matter where they go. So on the subsidy side, it's just us proving out that value of their subsidy voucher. And similarly, on the private pay side, we think it's the same. The elasticity comes with if a family believes we're providing the value and it's not the price. The families know what prices they're going to pay at a kindercare or similar one. We have to treat them great through the enrollment. Through the inquiry to enrollment process and then maintain them as a family. And that's where value comes in and they're willing to pay that price. If we're not executing properly, we're not taking care of them in that process. They're going to move on. Find somebody who's going to take care of them. And that's really what we feel like. We kind of fell down a little bit at the start of the year.
- Management
Oh, Tom whispered over me here to Ronan to the other reminder, I think I'm pricing is we continue to see our retention up year over year. Last year, retention was up the year before. So also a reminder to us of we're doing a nice job of showing the value to our current families. They're enrolled with us. They're feeling those price increases when they come when they age up. And they're maintaining with us stronger than they have over the past couple of years. We just need to make sure we take that to our new families as well. And they feel that same thing.
- Management
Got it. Thank you. And for a follow up, if I may. For champions, KCFE and Cleveland, they're demonstrating solid momentum, especially relative to kinder care centers on an occupancy basis. I understand there are inherent differences in the business. But is there an element of the operational playbook and underlying demand drivers, you know, reasons for such different outcomes? And then a second part to that, how large can these businesses become economically? You know, what's... What's the strategic intent there from a revenue mix opportunity? You know, could they potentially improve retention and core center occupancy? The short answer to the last question is yes. Let me start with... That business has really been a very stable business for us. And I mentioned in the prepared remarks that we already have eight contracts for 2027 for new on-site centers. That'll be the... ...most centers that we've gone into a new year with. So we're excited that six or seven of those will open in 2027. And we intend to even increase the number of centers that we... require for going forward in 2027. And for employers, it's because of the expansion of the employer need to attract and retain this new, if you will, level of young families. families that are coming into the workforce and are desperately looking for child care, the accessibility and ultimately the affordability that an employer based program gives a family.
- Management
is significant. And families, one, the employer keeps them longer. We keep them longer. They're more loyal to both the child care provider as well as to the employer. And it's really been a win-win. We see the inbound. on poor employer potential opportunities at as high a pace as we've seen. So that's number one. Going to Champions. Champions, when I joined the company 12 years ago, 14 years ago now, we had 200 sites and we had about 20,000 kids today. We have 70,000 children. We have 1,200 plus sites and that business has the opportunity. There's over 60. 30,000 schools out there that we have the opportunity to actually penetrate and our intentions are to keep going. I mean, our our our approach has changed a bit and that is that we're going after larger. School systems than we are smaller or more remote systems, and that proved to be a significant strategy for us in 2026 because we actually had only about 140. 150 sites this year against over 200 last year, and as I mentioned and Tony mentioned, those sites are actually outproducing, out enrolling the sites we had last year, so almost 100. less sites are doing more enrollments than last year. So we feel like we have a great story to tell there. We are the only one that is accredited, corporately accredited in the before and after school space. Quality is exceptional, to be honest, and our approach is good. The other thing I'd say about champions is the biggest part of our growth has been expanding current.
- Management
Relationships. In other words, going to Fulton County in Atlanta and starting with a few schools and then adding to it, expanding our reach within that school system. So it's sort of organic growth, but it's also just expansion within. Our current employer base, or if you will, B2B spot. There was a, I think that's it. If I didn't answer your question, please give me another thought and I'll. Go after that too. And then do we cover KREM? We didn't. Yeah, thank you. KREM is one of the, for us, one of the best position brands. I feel like we've done. And the same with KinderCare, of course. But we bought KREM to be a premium brand for a discerning audience in areas of the country that were more educated. More affluent and more demanding of their child care provider. And the best example I can give you, and I was there for the opening of the center that we opened in Irvine just a couple of months ago. We had a significant outpouring of support for that center. And literally, we had 30 people, 30 children enrolled when I got there. And by the end of that week, we had over 80 children enrolled in that center. Which is significantly ahead of our pro forma. So I'd say to you, when we do it right, and this is true about KinderCare as well, when we do it right, we find the demographic, to Tony's point, the density of children in a given market that are focal points for our experiences that we offer in all of our sites. We do exceptionally well. So I'm proud of Krim as well, and the business is just really
- Management
really shown in the new branding, if you will, that we did over last year and into this year. It's really shown through back to school, through through summer program. It was over eight. 800 children above the year before in summer. It's just been a very, very good success story for us.
- Management
Thank you very much.
- Management
Appreciate it.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Silber of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · BMO Capital Markets
Jeff SilberAnalyst · BMO Capital MarketsHey, thanks so much.
This is Ryan on for Jeff. Just going back to the point you made about the improvement post back to school period. We're just wondering when you think that could flow through and kind of transpire to enrollment growth when we're thinking in 27 and beyond that. Thank you. Well, I. Both of us will answer that question. Let me say a couple of things and then give it to Tony Ryan. We we are already seeing growth. I mean, when you look at what we've done just to the trajectory of the. Business post back to school. We have bent the curve, if you will, over 200 basis points, which is significant, significant thousands of children and. What is interesting about this business is how you end the year is how you truly go into the following year and that's either with wind at your back or wind in your face and we're feeling.
- Management
Confident and really pleased and encouraged by the trajectory of that business since we made a change in during the back to school season with a new leader in that business. So we feel feel like we are turning the corner that a strong leadership approach, a very clear, if you will, accountability and clear. If you will, priorities to the center directors and taking the noise out of the center has really shown us that we can do what we've always been able to do, and that's create an opportunity for a middle America family. Emily to to enroll that's fair and I appreciate the answer just to follow up was just wondering how you think about the midterm impact on the business just from a federal and a state and local level and then just any. policy changes you see coming down the line or on the block grant or anything else whether it's universal pre-k or anything else that comes fine thank you. Well you can imagine we're getting involved in that right now in a pretty. deep way we we as you know this this industry has always been supported by both Republicans and Democrats and we're appreciative of that there is a tendency for the Democrats to be. a little bit more generous relative to the block grant and so we feel like that is a potential if you will upside for us and we're excited about that when there's money there then state states in. many cases will depending on their budgets add to that as they do to match the funds from the government so that could be wind at our back as well so we feel good about that we play in upk we do it quite well.
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and we're continuing to expand that part of our program and we believe that that will be something that will be on the Democrats plan or strategy going forward in 2027. So all in all, we feel like either way we would have done fine, but there may be, we're feeling there may be upsides for us, both in increases in the block grant funds as well. As well as, as UPK and other opportunities within the states.
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Your next question comes.
from the line of Josh Chan of UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Hi, good evening.
I guess your comment about the. 200 basis points narrowing that you've seen since back to school. I guess like what period are you defying that as? Because it seems like a very short period of time to have such large improvements. So I just want to make sure, you know, and. Thinking about that, right? And then, you know, how are you? What are you attributing the sudden really sudden change in the trajectory of things? Yeah, let me talk about the numbers a little bit and I can talk about some of the things we're doing. Tom might want to add on here, so. As we look at that 200 basis points that we're seeing right now, we're looking at coming out of back to school, which is, call it around mid-September, I won't get in our week numerals with you, mid-September, and that's as we look forward into our system right before the holidays. So, we've talked about technology and stuff with you in the past. One of the great things about one of our technology ads is the visibility that I have, Tom has, our field leaders have in our expected enrollments in the future. So those are enrollments that we know they've paid their deposits and they're enrolled in a certain week. We also do a nice job of taking out anyone that we know might be leaving us also. So we're looking forward to right before the holidays and seeing that improvement. continue to grow week over week as we look out to that. And that's where you can hear that we're encouraged by the trajectory we're going to take into next year with as we sit today. And there's opportunity for that to move even up as we kind of get even closer to the holidays. So that's where that.
coming from, not even necessarily a forecast. Those are the children we know are going to be with us. And you're right to say thanks Tony. You're right to say it's significant. That's what's encouraging to us. We're talking about thousands of children in the last six to seven weeks that we did not see through the trajectory of back to school that have come after back to school to. Our company and specifically to kind of care alone and candidly, we've seen increases enrollment in our other business as well. So all in all, we've had a we've had a strong post back to school in early fall. session, which is very, very promising to us. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But thank you. And then maybe if I think about, you know, your your EBITDA guidance for May 26. And maybe this is a Tony question, I guess, like, what are the pieces, as we think about 27 EBITDA, you know, I know that you won't give that Roman assumption, but, you know, just kind of like, what are the known pieces, you know, as think about how 26 EBITDA would translate into 27 EBITDA. Thank you. Yeah, you bet. Yeah, I mean, Josh, as I think about it, right, the biggest driver that we've talked about all year, and frankly, we'll continue to talk about it next year, too. is going to be about that FTE enrollment, right? And so the encouragement you just heard from Tom is going to be a big driver of how we start the year, and we'll have pretty great visibility as we start the year coming out of the holidays all the way through Memorial Day. And so that will be great.
for us to share with you in March on how those FTEs are going, because those FTEs are not only is it revenue, but as you've heard from us this year, the impact on our operating leverage is just so significant with the level of occupancy we're at right now that turning that back up and getting back above last year and then getting back to where we were eventually over the short and short medium term will allow us to get a lot of that leverage back, which will flow through down to EBITDA even more. And then you also probably read and we commented also in our prepared remarks, but we're being really conscious about where we're spending money. So we did some changes in GNA and had some severance related to that here in the third quarter as we're being thoughtful. to where we're spending money here at our NSC and in the GNA to support it. And then we're also making some some investments, not as much as we took out of the business in things like curriculum and things like our B2B group. But to drive that. So those are the other ones, I think, for you to watch.
Thanks for the time.
Thanks, Josh.
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Your next question comes from the line of George Tong of Goldman.
And Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Goldman Sachs
George TongAnalyst · Goldman SachsThanks for taking my question.
Going back to the portfolio review, could you detail the performance and occupancy trends you're seeing across the center as you evaluate? And actively chose to remediate and retain? Are those locations showing measurable operational turnaround? So you're asking if we decided not to close the center, what are we seeing from them, Alex? Yeah. Yeah. Look, I think all that we've talked about and what we're seeing as the collective fleet moving in the right direction is part of that story. And obviously, there's still centers we're keeping an eye on. Working with, but talent is always the number one thing, especially at a center director level, and having the center directors be confident in taking care of their teachers, first of all, because great teachers take care of families and children. really well. And then them being able to utilize all the great things that they get in support of running the center to take care of their children that they get from something like kinder care, as far as health and safety and all those areas as well. And so them having that confidence to do that, and then having the time to have those conversations with new families and with current ones is so important. And so all those, you know, those handfuls of centers that we decided to keep are all part of the collective that have moved 200 basis points. And so it gives us a lot of encouragement that we have picked the right one.
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to go forward with this in the future. Got it. And you'd previously discussed rolling out an AI supported tool to monitor the Tor quality center direction and director interactions and then. parent follow up. So beyond the general workload reductions for center directors, you discussed earlier, are there any specific bottlenecks or leakage points in the tour to enrollment process that you've identified? No. Not necessarily. I mean, it's the whole process through, you know, seeing different parts in each one, and we're trying to help our center directors remedy each one. So we believe taking work off the plate is something helpful. We believe
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Thanks for calling it out that AI tool, which we continue to refine week over week as we learn more to give them their scoring on how they're interacting the families is super important. And then we're just doing, you know, making sure we get feedback from our field leadership thing team on things we can all to do to support back here. Collectively, it comes down and Tom said it comes down to execution. And we just have to be so adamant about treating those families how we should treat them from that first discussion. On an inquiry to that first day they have in a center with us, if they feel that like they should at a kindercare, we're going to see our enrollment continue to climb. If we break down at some point there, that mom's going to question it a little bit and think about going somewhere else. And so our great CDs just have to do a great job of seeing the process through like they know they can and like they've been treating our families that have had higher retention the last two years, treat the new families just like those ones and we're going to see great success from that execution. Thanks. Appreciate it. Of course. Thank you.
- Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Tom Wyatt for closing remarks.
- Tom WyattChief Executive Officer
Thanks, Ben.
Look, we really do. Enjoy these conversations. Appreciate the quality of your questions and obviously your continued support and interest in our company. We look forward to seeing you next quarter and wish you a very happy and healthy holiday season with your families and friends. Take care, everybody.
- Operator
This concludes today's call.
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- Operator
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