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FPS Q1 2027 earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026
Forgent Power Solutions, Inc Q1 2027 Earnings Conference Call
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- Prepared remarks10:31
- Operator
Greetings and welcome to the Forgent Power Solutions first quarter 2027 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
- Q&A10:42
- Operator
A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero. on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Kate Africk, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Thank you, operator.
And thank you, everyone, for joining us today for Forgent Power Solutions fiscal first quarter 2027. Earnings call. With me today are Gary Niederperum, our Chief Executive Officer, and Amy Ard, our Chief Financial Officer. On this call, management will be making forward-looking statements based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially. Based from our forward-looking statements, if any of our key assumptions are incorrect because of various factors, including those in today's earnings release and during this conference call, and in our latest filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, each of which can be found on our website. Today's presentation also... ...includes references to non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, and adjusted earnings per share. You should refer to the information contained in the company's earnings release and presentation for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the... ...comparable GAAP financial measures. With that, let me turn the call over to Gary.
- Gary NiederpruemChief Executive Officer
Thank you, Kate, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin with a summary of our first quarter results and a business update. I'll then turn the call over to our new Chief Financial Officer, Amy Ard, who will discuss the key initiatives our...
- Amy ArdChief Financial Officer
finance team is focused on, followed by a detailed overview of our results for the quarter and our updated outlook. But first, I want to address what I know is top of mind for many investors, whether the post-election policy environment could slow data center development and, in turn, demand for the electrical equipment we provide. As CEO, one of the most important responsibilities I have is to anticipate and plan for a range of market scenarios. That is something our senior leadership team does continuously. Following the election, we spoke directly with many of our customers, assessed the potential impact of a more restricted regulatory regulatory. and permanent environment, and stress tested what that could mean for our business. We came away from that work with continued confidence in the outlook for our data center business, and there are five reasons for that. First, we do not see regulation changing the underlying demand for data center capacity. What we are hearing from our customers is that new regulation may affect where, when, and how data centers get built, but they are not planning to build less capacity. The underlying need for compute continues to grow, and our customers remain committed to developing the infrastructure required to support it. In fact, in recent weeks, we've actually seen a request for a few projects to be pulled in rather than pushed out. So, point number one, regulation may change where, when, and how capacity gets built, but based on our customer conversation, it has not changed how much capacity they ultimately expect to need. Second, the demand
and supply imbalance for electrical equipment provides a significant buffer against potential demand reduction. Demand for medium voltage switchgear, transformers, and other critical electrical equipment materially exceeds available industry capacity today. That means demand does not need to remain at today's level for our order book to remain full. Now let's put that into context. Most industry forecasts have called for more than 100 gigawatts of incremental U.S. data center capacity from 2027 through 2031. Let's stress test that a bit. Let's just assume 20% of those projects don't get delayed or relocated but disappear entirely because of regulatory constraints. That would still leave roughly 80 gigawatts of new capacity over five years in the U.S. That is more than six times the amount of data center capacity expected to be added this year before considering retrofits expansion or replacement demand. So point number two, even under a scenario with significant demand reduction, we believe there would still be more demand for our products than the industry has the capacity to supply. Third, the commitments already being made upstream give us additional confidence that this capacity ultimately gets built. The products we manufacture are among the later pieces of equipment ordered in the development of a data center. Long lead time equipment further upstream, particularly power generation, is committed to much earlier. Turbines, fuel cell, and other generation suppliers have multi-year backlogs and in many cases have already put significant
behind those orders. That's an important leading indicator for us. Unless many developers are prepared to walk away from their commitments and deposits, we believe there is a high probability that generation capacity gets deployed. And when it does, it ultimately needs transformers, switchgear, and power distribution equipment. to connect that power to the data center itself. So point number three, we can see investment occurring several years upstream of us, and those commitments give us confidence in the downstream demand that should ultimately flow to our products. Fourth, we believe our customers are well equipped to navigate a more complex regulatory environment. These are some of the largest and most sophisticated companies in the world. They have the financial resources, internal capabilities, and experience to work through difficult permitting requirements. And where one jurisdiction becomes more challenging, they have the ability to evaluate alternative locations that can accommodate their requirements. So point number four, more regulation can make development more complicated, but we believe our customers have both the capability and the resources to adapt to it. Fifth, and most importantly for our near-term outlook, we already have substantial visibility through fiscal 27. and into fiscal 28. Our backlog extends through that period, and a good portion of it is supported by non-refundable deposits. Just as importantly, our position relatively late in the data center development cycle provides additional protection. We generally do not receive a purchase order until the permitting process is complete.
And in many cases, we do not receive that PO until the project is already under construction. In other words, the projects sitting in our backlog are generally not conceptual projects at the beginning of a development process. They are substantially further along, supported by customer commitments, and in many cases already under construction. So point number five. Regardless of what ultimately happens with regulation, the quality, maturity, and contractual support behind our existing backlog gives us a high degree of confidence in our outlook through fiscal 27 and into fiscal 28. Now let me bring those five points together. We believe our customers continue to expect significant capacity growth. The electrical equipment market remains substantially supply constrained. We can see capital being committed upstream of us years in advance. We believe our customers have the resources to navigate a more challenging regulatory environment, and our own future. This backlog gives us substantial visibility. We will obviously continue to monitor the regulatory environment closely, and we recognize that policy could affect the timing and location of individual projects. But based on what we are seeing today, we believe the recent reaction to potential regulatory changes understates both the magnitude of the underlying demand and the degree of supply constraint in the markets we serve. Now turning to our results for the quarter on slide 5. We started fiscal 27 with strong first quarter
results. Revenue increased 69% to $479 million, marking the highest. Highest quarterly revenue in our company's history. Adjusted EBITDA increased 61% to $105 million, representing our second highest quarterly adjusted EBITDA, just below the record achieved last quarter. And our adjusted EPS increased 83% to $0.24. Turning to slide six, there are five key takeaways from the quarter. First, we exceeded the high end of our first quarter guidance, reflecting discipline execution of our production ramp. Our teams continued to scale production across our new facilities, increasing throughput and utilization while maintaining focus on quality, efficiently and cost control. This progress directly supported revenue and earnings above our guidance ranges and demonstrates the organization's ability to execute. Second, orders grew substantially year over year. Data center was strongest, followed by industrial and other, partially offset by moderation in grid, which underscores the value of maintaining diversified exposure across 3N markets. Third, our direct sales strategy with hyperscalers and AI labs is beginning to deliver tangible results. As we discussed last quarter, we already have exposure to these customers through intermediaries, but our goal is to deepen those relationships. And capture a greater share of their demand by working directly with them as well. In fiscal 27 to date, we secured a volume order from one AI lab and an initial order from a second. We also believe we are on track to receive direct orders from at least one and potentially another hyperscaler.
By the end of this fiscal year, providing another meaningful avenue for growth. Fourth, our plan to expand adjusted EBITDA margins sequentially through fiscal 27 is progressing as expected. We execute against the plan. We continue to identify opportunities to drive long-term margin expansion. We are laying the foundation now to capture those benefits in the coming years. Finally, we are raising our fiscal 27 guidance. This increase reflects the successful execution of a production ramp in the first quarter, which we expect to continue supporting performance in subsequent quarters, as well as the strength of our backlog. Which now fully covers our updated outlook. Turning to slide 7, I want to spend a few minutes on what we're seeing across our three primary end markets, data center, industrial, and grid. Starting with data center, demand remains very strong. Data center was the largest contributor to our year-over-year organization. And the signals we are seeing from customers remain positive. As I discussed earlier, policy may affect where and how certain data centers get built. But we don't believe it changes the underlying demand for capacity. And importantly, our backlog is well protected because customers generally don't place orders. with us until critical milestones such as financing, tenants, power, and permitting are already in place. Turning to industrial, we're seeing demand both accelerate and broaden. Over the last two years, growth was heavily influenced by large megaprojects. Those projects remain an important
driver, but we are increasingly seeing demand from smaller projects, facility expansions, and follow-on investments across many verticals. We saw that broadening in our own results this quarter with strong industrial orders and a meaningful increase in the number of customers placing orders with us. Finally, in grid, under line utility demand remains steady, while renewables and battery storage have seen some near-term softness, primarily driven by policy and project timing. There are two factors at work here. First, some wind and solar developers pulled orders forward to safe harbor projects ahead of the July deadline, creating a tougher comparison this quarter. Second, new restrictions on foreign-produced grid equipment have caused some developers, particularly in battery storage, to pause projects while they wait for greater clarity. That moderated our grid orders in the first quarter, but we view it primarily as a timing issue rather than a demand issue. As that uncertainty clears, we expect activity to improve. And longer term, policies designed to strengthen domestic grid security and encouraging U.S. manufacturing should be supportive for a domestic manufacturer like FORGEN. So stepping back, we feel very good about the health of our end markets. Data center remains very strong. Industrial is accelerating and becoming more diversified. And in GRID, we see upside as near-term policy uncertainty clears.
Turning to slide eight, last quarter, I talked about how FORGEN is moving up market in data centers from primarily selling point products through intermediaries to engineering direct solutions for some of the most technically demanding customers in the market, including hyperscalers and Frontier AI labs. At that time, we had received our first direct order from a Frontier AI lab and had signed our first master service agreement with the hyperscaler. Since then, we have continued to make meaningful progress across both customer groups, and this slide lays out where those relationships stand today. The important point is that direct selling into these customers is not transactional. It requires a rigorous qualification process that can include technical engagement, competitive bidding, factory audits, master service agreements, and specific product agreements, and that's even before an initial purchase order is issued. We think about that progression in three stages, crawl, walk, run. Crawl is the initial order, typically smaller in size, but strategically important. Because it validates the customer's confidence in our engineering, quality, and execution. Walk is when strong performance on those initial orders leads to larger volume opportunities. Run is when those relationships evolve into a program level orders or longer term supply agreements. We're now seeing that progression taking shape. Our first Frontier AI Lab customer is a great example. We executed well on the initial order and that has already led to a volume order. A second AI Lab has now placed its first direct order with Forgent, expanding our direct engagement within that customer category.
On the hyperscaler side, two customers have moved beyond the MSA stage and signed specific product agreements, which is typically the final commercial step before an initial order. A third hyperscaler has also entered the qualification process, which further expands a pipeline of potential direct end-user relationships. These are customers that purchase electrical infrastructure at very large scale. Our initial orders are only the starting point, but they are important because they established FORGEN as a qualified direct supplier and create the opportunity to expand over time as we execute. Looking ahead, we expect to do that. We expect orders from AI labs on a direct basis in the first half of fiscal 27 and from hyperscalers on a direct basis in the second half. Over time, as these relationships progress from crawl to walk to run, we believe they can become a meaningful driver of growth in fiscal 28 and beyond. Moving to slide nine. Over roughly the last 30 months, we have built the platform Forgent needs to compete and win at scale. That includes a broader product portfolio, a differentiated offer built around customization at scale and short lead times, vertically integrated manufacturing capacity, deep engineering capabilities, and experienced commercial leadership. Just as important, we have built customer credibility through consistent execution and proven delivery. That last point is critical. The capabilities we have built matter because they have been able to execute against them.
By delivering customers, we have earned trust and that trust is what's opening the door to larger, more strategic opportunities with some of the most sophisticated buyers in the market. As a result, we are now a full year ahead of our IPO plan on revenue, but we also recognize that there is still significant value to unlock. The next phase for Forgent is about shifting from platform creation to performance optimization. In practical terms, that means improving execution consistency, standardizing processes, sourcing smarter, optimizing capacity across our manufacturing footprint, and reducing cycle times while continuing. to improve quality and delivery. It also means taking what is working in one part of the business and replicating those best practices across our sites and functions. The goal is straightforward. Convert the scale we have built into greater operating leverage. This work is being driven by an increasingly important part of the business. The experience operational and finance leadership team. Juan Macias joined us in August as president of Solutions and Service, bringing more than 30 years of leadership experience at Schneider Electric, GE, and other industrial businesses. Jamie Brown joined us in September as president of Transformers with 25 years. of manufacturing and operations leadership at Legrand and Comscope. Together, they bring deep experience scaling industrial operations, improving execution, and institutionalizing the operating discipline required to drive margin expansion. This is also a natural point to turn the call over to Amy Ard.
new chief financial officer. Amy has been instrumental in building the financial infrastructure to support the platform we have created, and she is now helping leverage that infrastructure to optimize performance as we scale. She and her team are playing an important role in improving visibility, strengthening cost discipline, and converting our growth into greater operating leverage. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Amy. Amy?
Thank you, Gary, and good morning, everyone. As I get to know many of you in the months ahead, you'll find my approach is straightforward. Run the business with discipline, communicate with clarity, and build credibility through execution. I'll briefly cover my background and priorities as CFO. I've spent more than 25 years in finance and accounting leadership, primarily in manufacturing and industrial businesses. I've served as CFO of several growth companies and have helped scale organizations through periods of rapid expansion. Across those experiences, one lesson has been consistent. Financial discipline and operational execution must be tightly connected. That is the operating mindset I bring to Forgent. I also know this business well. I joined as CFO of PowerQ, one of the companies that became part of Forgent, and then served as Executive Vice President. of Finance for the combined company. In that role, my focus was building the finance platform required to support a larger, faster-growing public company. That work included strengthening our reporting, controls, and governance, establishing the foundation for forecasting and investor communications, scaling our systems, and building plant-level margin analytics across the business. Those analytics are now an important part of how we manage pricing, sourcing, labor, and operational performance. As CFO, my priorities are clear. First, ensure a seamless transition and continue building trust with the market through consistent execution and clear communication.
Second, help lead the shift from platform creation to performance optimization. For finance, that means applying the infrastructure that we have built to improve decision making, drive margin expansion, and strengthen working capital and cash conversion. Turning to slide 12, every leader has an area. where they feel most at home. For me, it's operational finance and driving continuous improvement, and that's what this slide is about. Over the past several months, I've worked with our operations team to develop a detailed set of priorities across the six areas you see on the left side of the slide. Overhead in SG&A, working capital, labor productivity, material costs, manufacturing efficiency, and logistics. For each area, we've identified specific actions to improve financial performance. That means putting the right people in place, improving processes and systems, establishing clear accountability, and then measuring the results. That's the operation. We're building across Forgent. The priorities toward the top of the slide are generally the ones we can address more quickly, while the opportunities further down require more time and operational work across our manufacturing footprint. Our first near-term priority is SG&A efficiency. The objective is straightforward. Scale engineering. sales and our corporate functions more slowly than revenue. That operating leverage is an important driver of the year-over-year adjusted EBITDA margin expansion embedded in our fiscal 2027 guidance. And you can see an early example on the right. We've identified functions in supply chain, project management, and finance, where it made more
sense to build the capability internally. By bringing those roles in-house, we've reduced our reliance on outside professional services and generated more than $5 million of annualized savings while building an organization that can scale more effectively. Our second near-term priority is working capital efficiency. We took a systematic look across our supplier base and renegotiated payment terms with vendors representing more than 80% of our material spent. That has already generated more than $30 million of working capital improvement. Then as you move further down the slide, you get into some of the larger operational opportunities, labor productivity, material costs. Manufacturing efficiency and logistics. These take longer because the improvements have to be embedded into how we operate across multiple facilities, but the opportunity is significant and we're already making progress. Labor is a good example. We've identified areas where we were relying on higher cost contract labor and replace those positions with full. time employees. That has generated approximately $5 million of additional annualized savings while giving us a more consistent workforce to support the business as we grow. So when I look at this slide, the important takeaway is that we're still early. We already have tangible results across all three of the early wins highlighted here. More than. $5 million from professional services. More than $30 million of working capital improvement from supplier terms. And approximately $5 million from reducing contract labor. The initiatives towards the top of the slide are contributing to the margin improvement we expect in fiscal 27. But some of the bigger opportunities in labor productivity, materials.
Manufacturing and logistics are still ahead of us. And we believe those opportunities provide runway for margin and cash flow improvement beyond fiscal 2027. This is the kind of work I know well, and it's work I really enjoy. Building the right organization, putting better processes and systems in place, establishing accountability, and then translating those changes into measurable improvements in margins and cash flow. With that, let me walk through our first quarter results starting on slide 14. First quarter revenues were $479 million, an increase of 69% year-over-year and all organic. Revenues exceeded the high end of our guidance range. And we're approximately $24 million above the midpoint. The upside was driven by higher throughput and strong execution on our production ramp. Growth continued to reflect robust demand and our scaling capacity. Revenues increased across each of our offerings. Custom products grew 73% to 3%. 354 million. Powertrain solutions grew 62% to 106 million. Standard products grew 18% to 11 million. And services more than doubled to 8 million. The mix of revenue by offering in the quarter was as expected, reflecting delivery dates requested by our customers. Looking ahead, we... We expect growth to accelerate in the second quarter, particularly in powertrain solutions. Moving to adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS on slide 15. Adjusted EBITDA was 105 million, up 61% year-over-year. Gross profit increased 62% on volume growth. SG&A...
...increased in absolute dollars, reflecting continued investment across sales, operations, and engineering to support our growth. Adjusted EBITDA also exceeded the high end of our guidance, driven by higher throughput and better cost absorption. Adjusted EBITDA margin of 21.9% was ahead of our expectations. As we indicated... In September, we expect the first quarter to be our lowest margin quarter of the year. It reflects one-time costs to support our second quarter production ramp, primarily under absorbed labor, which we did not add back. Adjusted EPS was $0.24, an increase of 83% year-over-year, outpacing adjusted EBITDA growth.
Fiscal 2027 guidance, which we are raising. We now expect revenues of $2.45 billion to $2.65 billion, $50 million higher than our prior guidance, and representing 80% growth at the midpoint. We expect adjusted EBITDA of $587 million to $637 million. $12 million higher than our prior guidance, representing 90% growth and implying an adjusted EBITDA margin of 24%. And we expect adjusted EPS of $1.30 to $1.44, $0.04 higher than our prior guidance, and representing 101% growth at the midpoint. A few points on how to think about our updated guidance. First, the increase is driven by our strong production ramp execution to date, which gives us incremental confidence in the year ahead. Second, as production continues to ramp, we are unlocking additional book and ship capacity, which allows us to take more orders for delivery in the current fiscal year. Third, with the incremental orders we've received, our backlog now fully covers our updated guidance. Given that, I want to offer a few reminders about the quality of our backlog. It consists of firm purchase orders, often secured with deposits and milestone payments, that help protect against cancellation. Because of those provisions and other contractual protections, we have historically experienced minimal cancellations. Finally, we continue to expect revenue and adjusted EBITDA to increase sequentially throughout the year, with margins expanding as production ramps. Turning to slide 18 and our outlook for the second question.
The production ramp is gaining momentum, supported by the investments we made in the first quarter. For the second quarter of fiscal 2027, we expect revenues of $560 million to $590 million, representing 94% growth year-over-year and approximately 20% growth versus the first quarter at the midpoint. We expect adjusted EBITDA of $127 million to $137 million, representing 119% growth year-over-year and approximately 26% growth versus the first quarter at the midpoint. That implies an adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 23%, up roughly 260 basis points year-over-year and roughly... ...110 basis points sequentially, as operating leverage builds with higher volumes. With that, I'll turn it back to Gary for closing remarks.
- Gary NiederpruemChief Executive Officer
Thanks, Amy.
Turning to slide 19, before we open the call for questions, I want to leave you with our key takeaways for the quarter. First, we delivered. We exceeded the high... The high end of our first quarter guidance executed well against our production ramp and are raising our fiscal 27 outlook. We now expect revenue growth of 80% and adjusted EBITDA growth of 90% for the year. Second, order momentum remains strong. Demand was led by data center and industrial... ...and our customer base continues to diversify. Our strategy of serving three distinct end markets is providing multiple avenues for growth. Third, we are gaining traction with some of the most demanding customers in the market. The initial orders we're receiving from Frontier AI Labs and hyperscalers are important... milestones, but they represent only the beginning of what we believe the relationships can become. Fourth, our fiscal 27 adjusted EBITDA margin plan remains on track. With stronger operating discipline, better financial infrastructure, and seasoned leaders in place, we see runway for further margin... ...expansion in the years ahead. And fifth, our outlook is well supported. Our backlog fully covers our updated guidance, and as our production continues to progress, we are also creating additional book and ship capacity. Overall, this was a very strong start to the year commercially...
operationally and financially. I want to thank Team Forgent for their continued execution and focus, as it is truly this team working every day to make Forgent better for our customers, better for our co-workers, and better for our investors. With that, we're happy to take your questions. Operator?
Thank you. And at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. In order to get through as many questions as we can in the time remaining, please keep it to one question only for today's session. To ask a question, press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we pull for questions.
- Operator
Your first question, your first question comes from Julian Mitchell with JP Morgan. Please state your question.
Question · J.P. Morgan
Julian MitchellAnalyst · J.P. MorganHi, thanks very much.
Welcome Amy to the role and thanks Gary for the thorough up top slides. I think on slide eight there's a lot of people in the industry. Who are probably feeling in that crawl mode at the moment, but we'll see when we come out of that. If we think about, I suppose, the composition of the revenue and backlog mix, you know, I think one of the reasons for the share price volatility is the perception that the company is extremely geared to sort of new. Who are types of customers, NeoCloud and so forth. So maybe help us understand how we think about that backlog, sort of breakdown by customer type. You know, how is that evolving? What's your line of sight into the sort of makeup of the end customers who are receiving your equipment? Thank you. Yeah, good morning, Julie and Gary here. Yeah, I think there's a couple things to note. Over the course of the last 18 months, we've been working really hard to diversify the customer base, diversify end markets, diversify product lines. And I think we've done a really pretty good job of that. So we continue to add. breadth and depth to that customer base. I think the best evidence of that is in Q1, no one customer made up more than 10% of our revenue. Now that may ebb and flow as the quarters go on. But as of Q1, there was not one customer that made up more than 10% of our revenue. And then to your second question there. The best heuristic to probably to give you on that one, I won't go into every customer segment, but in general, the best data point I can give you, I think, to that question is right around 15% of our backlog is with the NeoClouds and any intermediary serving that. And I think that's probably a number that's much lower.
- Management
than people would generally think it's going to be. So right around 15% is NeoClouds. The rest of the 85% is everything from co-locations to EPCs to grid folks to other OEMs to intermediaries to some of the emerging hyperscaler and open AI. So feel really good about the diversification and the breadth and depth of the customer base that we are penetrating today.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Nigel Koh with Wolf Research. Please take your question.
Question · Wolfe Research
Nigel KohAnalyst · Wolfe ResearchOh, thanks.
Good morning.
And again, I appreciate all the detail here, Gary. So just on the kind of, you made it very clear that there's been absolutely no change in sort of what you're seeing or customer conversations, you know, since the election. Just remind us, Gary, you know, when does Fortune typically engage in the project? I mean, obviously, you know, beyond the construction phase, I assume, but but just remind us in terms of where you engage and are you aware of any kind of projects in the funnel that are maybe just getting put on pause because of, you know, you know, kind of uncertainties around the go forward regulatory environment and, you know, where data center capacity needs to be constructed going forward. Given the changes to the election. Thanks. Yeah, for sure.
- Management
Good morning, Nigel.
- Management
A couple different dimensions to that one here. So you're right. Just like we talked about in our prepared remarks, we've canvassed almost all of our large customers over the last four or five days. And the definitive answer comes back and continues to say no change. And so I think that's consistent. with what other people are talking about. And we went right to the ground with good old fashioned voice of the customer. And that's what came back. That's number one. Number two, I think it is also important to remind everybody that the fundamentals of the market is the demand side of this. And there is clearly no abating on the demand side of it. That's number two. Number three, in terms of our engagement. Hard answer here. So we'll get engaged early in the process. So when people are thinking about building a data center in a certain location, we'll get engaged with design engineering up front in early, very early in that process. But that's when it sort of sits in our pipeline. And those things always ebb and flow will move. So that's very natural. That isn't any different today than it would have been a year ago. But I think more importantly is when we get that purchase order then. So just as a reminder, in our backlog, those are firm purchase orders. There's no LOIs or MOUs or Handshake deals. Those are firm purchase orders that's in our backlog. And those purchase orders typically come to us after the permitting process is done, certainly after land is acquired. And most of the time, construction has already even started. So not to say that stranger things can't happen, but that's where we sit in that ecosystem. We feel really good about the backlog because
- Management
when that purchase order comes in, land's been bought, permitting has been done, and construction for the most part has already been started. So those are the three or four dimensions to that answer, Nigel. Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Chad Dillard with Bernstein Alliance. Please see your question.
Question · Bernstein
Chad DillardAnalyst · BernsteinHey, good morning, guys.
So question for you on some of your recent Hyperscaler and AI Lab awards. So what are you winning on? Is it on discrete components? Is it on some of your modular, you know, powertrain solutions? And I'm just curious, I mean, how long between like each of the critical milestones? Think about the sales cycle. And if I can just sneak one more in on the order book, just, you know, can you give a breakdown on how much is co-locators?
- Management
Yeah, good morning, Chad. A couple different dimensions there, too. So, yeah, I think it is, you know, maybe an overuse, but... Very critically important here. In that slide that we developed with the hyperscalers and AI labs, not every one of those is created equally, and they all have their own nuances. So some of them move fairly quickly for the first few stages, and then it sort of hits a little bit of a rut with, you know, just internal inertia on their side where it takes a while to get through. the last few stages. Other customers are the opposite of that. So everyone is created a little bit differently. We wanted to put this chart together to show, at least on an illustrative basis, it's not like you can just walk into one of these folks and a purchase order falls in your lap tomorrow. There is a lot of groundwork that has to be laid technically, operationally, procurement-wise, legally. So this is, it is a journey that you go on with every one of these. In terms of how long it takes to get from crawl to walk to run, again, it is going to vary. It probably is measured certainly in quarters, excuse me, not in months. And, you know, in some cases, you get there quickly. In some cases, you might not get there at all with some of them, but that's why we believe in continuing to build out this portfolio of customers, not only with these folks, but with the co-locations, the developers, the EPCs, the grid folks, the IPPs, utilities. I mean, all of them is what we want in our basket of customers. So we're looking at.
Question · an evolving how do we shape the portfolio than anything
Amuch moreAnalyst · an evolving how do we shape the portfolio than anythingThis is much more of an evolving how do we shape the portfolio than anything. This is an important segment, but it's clearly not the only segment and feel very good about the work here, as well as about the penetration we've seen in those other segments.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBank Capital Markets.
Question · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Jeff HammondAnalyst · KeyBanc Capital MarketsPlease see your question.
Hey, good morning.
Maybe a little higher level, maybe Gary, just a quick comment on why you think the CFO change needed to happen now. And then just Amy, a lot of really good color on what you're going to be focused on and the initiatives. Maybe towards the longer term initiatives. Where, you know, might you think there's some constructive dissatisfaction and you want to maybe lean in or sharpen the focus? Thanks. Yeah.
- Management
Hey, Jeff.
- Management
Good morning.
Question · KeyBanc Capital Markets
Jeff HammondAnalyst · KeyBanc Capital MarketsLook, I think the single biggest thing that comes through right away with Amy is the operational finance chops that she brings. We all get, she and I had the conversation. You know, where do you derive your energy from in business? And we all derived it from different locations. Amy's energy and passion comes from dissecting the P&L, walking the manufacturing floor, challenging our folks on why they're doing this, why they're not doing that. So as we evolve and mature as a company, we're going to continue growing at outsized rates. But we also have to be mindful that we need to be able to pivot this thing at the same time to making sure that that growth reads through all the way down to the P&L. So I think that's the part that Amy will provide us for sure. And I'll throw the second part of your question over to her.
- Management
Hi, Jeff.
- Management
Nice to chat with you. Three things I think about when I think about my priorities as we move forward. First, the first thing I always talk about is I am the prize. We have a lot to deliver this year as a company. So it is about execution and delivering our commitments. And that means factory-wise, like operationally-wise, we're building new facilities. But internally, we're building new processes, new systems. To be our commitments, to continue to drive improvements. So first and foremost, it's like keeping the eye on the prize. We have a lot to deliver and we have to do that. Second, it's EBITDA margin expansion. And we talked about near-term and longer-term priorities. Certainly, there's a lot of gross margin initiatives that we're thinking about. Some of those you'll start to see in the second half of this year. But far more of them you'll start to see as we get into the longer term. Starting in fiscal 28 is when you'll start to see some of those things come through. But there's a lot of what I'll call low-hanging fruit. And then there's some fruit that we've got to get through our expansion before we can start picking. And then thirdly, I'd say cash flow conversion. Certainly interesting. We're growing. You're focused on driving the expansions, ensuring you have enough inventory to build to the ramp. But as we continue to mature, we'll focus on how quickly we can convert all of that into cash.
- Management
Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Steve Tusa with Wells Fargo. Please say your question.
Question · Wells Fargo
Steve TusaAnalyst · Wells FargoHey, how are you guys?
- Management
Welcome. Congrats, Amy. Good, Steve. How are you? Good.
- Management
Hi, Steve.
Question · Wells Fargo
Steve TusaAnalyst · Wells FargoOn one of those initiatives, the supplier renegotiations, can you just talk about maybe the flavor of what's going on there? It's obviously we're. We're an inflationary environment and renegotiating with suppliers or customers is, you know, is is is not particularly easy these days. So maybe just like what why were you in this position to be able to do that? And what are like what's the nature of those conversations and what type of products are we talking about? Yeah, so I'll start, Steve. We started with MSAs with our basic supply base, right? So really that's just focusing on stability of our current suppliers, developing consistent terms with those suppliers, driving consistent payment terms, which is how we received. So $30 million working capital improvements. I'd say first and foremost, it was just stabilizing our supply base. We've got three, we put them in three buckets of suppliers, right? We've got commodities and raw materials, breakers, and then other, including electrical components. So if you think about those, you have different leverage for different types of suppliers. So base two of I- say supplier negotiations is strengthening our current relationships, so deepening the relationships that we have, finding new sources to drive cost improvements that we can, or just driving cost avoidance, if we can, with volume agreements. So that's what I would call stage two from a supplier negotiation perspective, and that's where we currently are.
- Management
in our development stage. All of that is to drive lower cost. Cost isn't all necessarily going to be on the material side. We'll certainly see some volume-based improvements as we get into longer term, but the cost improvements we're going to see, as I mentioned in my comment to Jeff, was we're going to see some short-term low fruit priorities. We've got to expand these factories. It's very hard to turn a knob while you're actually building and ramping 50% H2 over H1, right? So some of these are that we're going to get on the gross margin side, but you'll start to see some of the other fruit that we can pick as we get into fiscal 2018.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Julian Dumoulin-Smith with Jeffries. Please hit your question.
Question · Jefferies
Julian Dumoulin-SmithAnalyst · JefferiesHey, good morning, team.
Thank you guys very much.
Appreciate it. Nicely done. Look, maybe just to follow up a little bit on the commentary from the prepared remarks here, just about the grid side of the business. Can you comment a little bit more about that software? The timing here you alluded to on the grid side, specifically, again, is that midterm or what's going on in the macro environment there as it pertains to that side? And specifically, how do you think about the recovery trajectory on renewables and storage? And then also just on the midterm piece, can you talk a little bit more about the domestic piece and the December EO here and just what else we could see come out of that in terms of potential tailwinds for, for domestic players, if you will? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
- Management
Good morning, Julian.
- Management
So I'd say, yes, we, you know, if you look at FY26, we had a really banner year from an order standpoint in that grid, utility, renewable, IP. Heat, space in general. And in the prepared remarks, obviously, we said that we saw a little bit of softening in that arena. Most of that was coming from the renewal piece because of the pull forward of the safe harbor that occurred. So I think as we look forward, there's two pieces where we are very, very, feel very, very good. There's going to be some tailwinds coming back into those market segments. Number one is there probably is going to be a little bit more alternative energy over a period of time, over a period of time, not in terms of weeks or months, but quarters. That should be a nice tailwind for us. And then that domestic by U.S. types of companies, particularly when it comes into. Which gear and transformers is the EO that we refer to. So we'll see how that pans out. Too early to say, but we feel pretty good that that could very well be a second tailwind for us. So while things moderated a little bit here in the first quarter and first half, we do feel very positive about the second half of 27 and then going into 28. What that could mean from a demand environment, specifically for alternative energy, as well as by domestic manufacturing with that EO. Thank you. And your next question comes from Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Please say your question.
Question · BofA Securities
Andrew ObinAnalyst · BofA SecuritiesYes.
Good morning.
How are you? Great, Andrew. How are you? I'm good. Maybe a question. Deferred revenue, you know, on the balance sheet, it's up 60% quarter over quarter. You know, one would guess it's a strong indication of orders. But just what I understand, have there been any significant changes to your policies around down payments? Or if there was timing, mix, sort of benefits in the quarter, you know, just, you know, to want to make sure that we're not going to see a weekly deferred revenue balance next quarter. Just want to understand what's happening there.
- Management
Hi, Andrew.
- Management
I'll take that one. I say first and foremost. No, we haven't had any significant changes in our policies around down payment. So, there's no difference that you're seeing from a contractual perspective. It is a timing-related change in the deferred revenue balance. And so, the way to think about it, our accounting policies have us recording deferred revenue when cash comes in the door. So, we had a very strong Q4 in terms of orders. We told you it was $1.5 billion of orders in Q4. The way it works is we book an order, then we invoice the deposit, and then the cash comes in. And that timing is not the same week, right? So, there's some delay between when the invoice gets issued and then when we get payment from that. So, some of what you're seeing in the Q1 deferred revenue balance is cash receipts from some of the order book that happened at Q4. So, I'd say it's not a perfectly, it's not perfectly ratioable, I would call it. The other thing to take into account is there's also milestone payments. So, depending on the receipt of cash from our invoices and the milestone... ...payments that we are billing out as well, it's not going to be a perfectly, like, one-to-one ratio to when the orders come in the door.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Noah K. with Oppenheimer. Please take your question.
Hey, Amy.
Good to hear you on the call. I wonder if you could first touch... On updated cash flow expectations in the guide, I think the deck doesn't mention an update versus the prior guide, which I believe was $300 million plus operating cash flow. You know, you got almost half of that this quarter alone. And the second is really to understand the capital allocation thoughts here. You focus mostly on operations. Financial finance priorities in your prepared remarks. But we'd love to know how you and the company are thinking about capital allocation here for that free cash flow generation. You know, arguably there's been much more derating in this relative to a lot of peers. And so buybacks would seem very attractive at this point. Thank you. I'll start, and Gary may chip in at the end. So I say we're not changing our free cash flow expectations. Our free cash flow expectations were greater than $300 million. We still expect to generate cash flow greater than $300 million. As I just mentioned when I answered Andrew's question, some of this is timing related. So it's a little bit of when do the deposits come in the door. And so I don't think we want to just use the Q1 number to say like, oh, it must be, you know, Q1 times four or something like that. So we're not changing our expectations right now. We still think we'll be greater than $300 million and we'll refine that as the year goes on.
Gary, if you want to talk about capital allocation. Yeah, sure.
Thanks, Abe.
Yeah, good morning, Noah. I think capital allocation priorities stay pretty much unchanged through what we've talked about in the past. So organic growth, inorganic growth, followed by share buybacks are probably still the priorities today, just like they were before I understand exactly. Your sentiment on what you said, but for right now, you know, organic growth, inorganic growth, share buybacks in that priority. The good news is we have optionality now because of the cash generation that Amy talked about, because what we produced here in Q1, we feel good about the options we have. But I think in terms of prioritization where we sit today, those priorities are pretty.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please say your question.
Question · Goldman Sachs
Joe RitchieAnalyst · Goldman SachsHey, guys.
Good morning and welcome, Amy.
- Amy ArdChief Financial Officer
So I guess, look, you guys have stopped giving us quarterly orders. I fully understand you're not going to quantify, but I was wondering if you could give us maybe a question. Maybe some qualitative color on how you felt about order trends this quarter. And then as it relates to 2028, you know, understand that the backlog is fully covering 2027 at this point. But how are you feeling about what you're building for 2028 as well? Thank you. Yeah.
- Management
Good morning, Joe.
- Management
Here's what I'd say about Q1. The demand environment that we saw in 26 continued into Q1 of 27 without a doubt. The best heuristic I can give you for that one is Q1 orders in 27 were just about. 2x what they were in Q1 of 26. So, you know, that hundred-ish percent order growth year over year, I think is the best demonstration of that. And so that part we feel good about. And, you know, clearly with that type of momentum, we think that will set us up well, not only for 27, which is fully booked, but also. will set us up well for 28.
- Operator
Your next question comes from Christine Yao with Morgan Stanley. Please take your question.
Question · Morgan Stanley
Christine YaoAnalyst · Morgan StanleyHi, thank you for taking the question. I want to ask about backlog coverage beyond fiscal 2027. I know you are no longer disclosed. closing backlog quarterly, but it will be great to get some color on how much of the current backlog is scheduled for fiscal 28 and has that share increased as the customers order further out. Yeah, for sure.
- Management
Good morning, Christine.
Question · Morgan Stanley
Christine YaoAnalyst · Morgan StanleyThank you. And Jill, time that. Those questions are very symbiotic here. So tapping off of what we just answered in that last question, the backlog obviously continues to grow. There's no doubt about it. 27 is fully booked. At this point in time, if you took a look at our backlog, there's probably somewhere around 40% of that that sits outside. of 27, the majority of that being obviously therefore in 28. So between where we sit for 27, no, we got about 40% of the backlog today. That is beyond 27 then. Plus with the new order book that we're going to get in Q2 and Q3, we think that portends very well as we look into 28.
- Operator
Thank you. And your next question comes from Justin Clare with Roth Capital Partners. Please hit your question.
Question · Roth Capital
Justin ClareAnalyst · Roth CapitalHey, good morning.
Thanks for the time here.
Maybe just following up on the last question here. So you have backlog covering, you know, 100% of the fiscal 20. seven revenue guide. And so just wondering, are the new orders that you're booking now primarily scheduled for delivery in fiscal 28? Or do you still have some meaningful opportunities to book and ship in 2027? And then I just guess just curious, are you seeing more customers requesting accelerated deliveries? Or are you also seeing some instances of customers potentially pushing out scheduled deliveries? Yeah, absolutely, Justin. Good morning to you as well. Okay, so a couple different pieces to your questions there. So we came into the year into 27 with about a 200. $250 million book and ship capability. And based on what we saw in the order rates in Q1, that $250 million is pretty much exhausted at this point. So it just so happens, not only because of that, but also just based on the way customers are requesting their products, most of what we are seeing now is for 20. That doesn't mean that there's nothing more in book and ship in 27, but the odds are you have to have the right setup where the customer needs it. You know, the supply chain for us to set up, we can ramp the factories even hotter than we are today, that the project timing needs it. So there's a number of factors that have to come into play. So you never would say never. Came into the year of 250 is now pretty much full. And that does mean that most of what we book from this point forward will go into 28.
- Management
And then your last part, I would say it's, you know, if anything, we are seeing a few customers that have requested some products to be pulled in. We haven't seen anything get pushed out to my memory at all, but we've seen more, a few requests for things to get pulled in. But in on average, on par, it's, you know, they know where they're going to get it. We've already agreed on that and we're sticking to that. So maybe a little few more pull-ins than anything, but on par, it's about a wash.
- Management
Thank you. And we have reached the end of the Q&A session. I'll now turn the call over to Gary Niederproom for closing remarks.
- Gary NiederpruemChief Executive Officer
Okay.
- Management
Thank you, operator.
Question · Roth Capital
Justin ClareAnalyst · Roth CapitalThank you, everybody, for joining us today. I think we did it in an efficient 57 minutes. So I first and foremost want to thank, again, the foreign... ...team. I'd always be remiss if I didn't thank them for all of the hard work putting us in the position to be able to deliver results like this for you and for our customers. And then I want to thank all the analysts that asked questions and the investors that are listening today. We truly value you and don't take your trust in us lightly whatsoever. So thank you, guys. And we're going to get back to work here and have a good... Thank you.
- Operator
This concludes today's conference.
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