EMR earnings / call
EMR Q4 2026 earnings call transcript, November 4, 2026
Emerson 4th Quarter & Full Year 2026 Earnings
- Management 25%
- Surendralal Karsanbhai 23%
- Mike Bachman 18%
- Carl Schumacher 2%
- Analysts 26%
Management
Surendralal Karsanbhai
President & CEO
14 min
Mike Bachman
Chief Financial Officer
11 min
Carl Schumacher
Management
1 min
Analysts · 12
Scott Davis
Milius Research
2 min
Andy Koplowitz
Citi
2 min
Steve Tusa
Wells Fargo
<1 min
Andrew Obin
Bank of America
2 min
Nigel Coe
Wolf Research
2 min
Julian Mitchell
JP Morgan
<1 min
Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:00
Good morning and welcome to Emerson's fourth quarter and full year 2026 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Carl Schumacher. Vice President of Investor Relations at Emerson. Please go ahead.
- Carl SchumacherManagement
Good morning, and thank you for joining Emerson's fourth quarter and full year 2026 earnings conference call. Before we begin, please allow me to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Carl Schumacher. I've recently been appointed as Emerson's new investor relations leader. I've been with Emerson for over 12 years now, and I've had the opportunity to hold finance leadership roles. across multiple geographies and segments. Most recently, I served as a segment CFO for test and measurement. I'm excited to work with everyone, and I look forward to meeting with you all soon. Today, I am joined by Emerson's President and Chief Executive Officer, Law Carson Bai, Chief Financial Officer, Mike Bachman, and Chief Operating Officer, Ram Krishnan. I would encourage everyone to follow along with the slide presentation. which is available on our website. Please turn to slide two. This presentation may include forward-looking statements which contain a degree of business risk and uncertainty. Please take time to read the Safe Harbor Statement and note on the non-GAAP measures. I will now pass the call over to Emerson's President and CEO, Law Carson Bai, for his opening remarks.
- Surendralal KarsanbhaiPresident & CEO
Thank you, Carl.
Good morning, everyone. I'd like to begin by thanking Emerson's 70,000 employees for their dedication, passion and perseverance. Together, we delivered a strong fourth quarter and finish to 2026. Emerson has the most talented team in the automation industry, and our efforts are reflected in the results we will discuss today. More importantly, this team has positioned us to keep winning. One year ago, at our investor conference in New York City, we outlined a value creation framework. One year into this three-year plan, we met our strategic objectives and remain on track to deliver our 2028 commitments. Our momentum carries into 2027, driven by our growth verticals and supported by secular macro trends. Customers are investing in automation at a rapid pace, and our orders reflect it. The diversity of our customer base and the range of industries we serve give us confidence in the resilience of the company we have built. As I complete my sixth year as CEO, I reflect on the strength of the Emerson management system. Designed in the 1970s under Chuck Knight's leadership. It has evolved over time, but most meaningfully over the past six years, we have deliberately changed our culture to push trust and empowerment deeper into the organization while maintaining a high standard of accountability. This environment enables us to attract and retain top talent energized to deliver outstanding results and create differentiated value.
I am excited about the opportunities ahead and more confident than ever in Emerson's future. Lastly, I would like to thank our customers, the Emerson Board of Directors, and our investors for your continued trust in us. Please turn to slide three.
Underlying orders grew 14% with broad-based demand across all business groups. Demand was most pronounced in software and systems, up 18%, and intelligent devices, up 13%. All regions experienced growth. Led by North America, up 15%, and the Middle East, up 42%. I will discuss more details on demand later in the presentation. Emerson exceeded expectations for sales and profitability. In the fourth quarter. Underlying sales were up 7%, with software and systems accelerating to 14% growth, with strength in test and measurement, up 15%, and control systems and software, up 14%. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 29.1%. And adjusted earnings per share increased 15% to $1.86. For the full year, we delivered underlying sales growth of 4%, and adjusted earnings per share rose 10% to $6.59, both above expectations. Free cash flow was up 9% to $3.5 billion, and we completed $1 billion of share repurchase, retiring. 7.2 million shares. As expected, annual contract value of our software grew 10.1% to $1.7 billion. For fiscal 2027, we are guiding underlying sales growth of 5%. We expect to deliver adjusted segment EBITDA margin of 29%, and adjusted earnings per share of $7.25, reflecting meaningful
progress on the pathway to our 2028 targets. We plan to continue returning substantial capital to shareholders, and we expect to return $3.8 billion in 2027, $2.5 billion in share repurchases, and $1.3 billion in dividends, a 7% dividend per share increase of 16 cents. Please turn to slide four. Emerson navigated the conflict in the Middle East and inflationary headwinds to deliver another year within our value creation framework, demonstrating the resilience and profitability of our automation portfolio. Underlying sales growth was led by the United States and the Middle East, both of which were up high single digits, offset by persistent softness in Europe and China. Our growth verticals were up 21% year over year, as secular tailwinds are supporting investment across greenfield projects, modernizations, and MRO. Adjusted segmented with a margin of 28.2% expanded 60 basis points, driven by price cost and the benefit of cost reductions and synergy realization. We also realized a hundred million dollars of synergies at Aspen Tech, completing the integration two years ahead of our initial target. Adjusted earnings per share of $6.59 marked our sixth consecutive year of double-digit adjusted EPS growth. Emerson demonstrated strong free cash flow generation at a margin of 18.6%. Emerson said. Please turn to slide five.
Underlying orders grew 14% in the fourth quarter with broad-based demand across the portfolio and strengthened long-cycle project activity, led by power, LNG, and aerospace and defense. Test and measurement orders growth of 14% exceeded expectations with semiconductor up 59%. Control systems and software orders were up 20%. With orders in our... our ovation business up 26%. North America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East saw significant demand from our growth verticals and energy security projects. China orders remain negative as both chemical and refining continue to weigh on demand. Electrification is benefiting Emerson across the technology stack as power generation projects, modernizations, including... grid investments are advancing in all regions. The need for energy security is also increasing, the capital being deployed in LNG and traditional energy projects. Last November, we outlined an opportunity pipeline of 315 million tons per annum of LNG yet to be awarded, and approximately 100 million tons per annum were awarded in 2026. However... The demand for gas continues to grow, and we now see an opportunity of 275 million tons per annum remaining. Near-shoring and self-sufficiency investments continue to unlock activity in semiconductor, life sciences, and aerospace and defense. These opportunities are manifesting in our project funnel, which increased $600 million to $13 billion up...
17% year-over-year. New capital formation is being driven by our growth verticals, which were up $500 million sequentially. In our fourth quarter, Emerson won approximately $575 million from the funnel. 75% came from our growth verticals, and I want to highlight a few large wins. First, we were selected for a major petrochemical project in Qatar. We're our customers expanding downstream capacity with a world scale ethylene cracker complex. Emerson will provide integrated control and safety systems as well as measurement instrumentation. We were chosen for our proven reliability and demonstrated performance on the first phase of this facility. Next, Emerson was chosen by LNG Canada for their phase two expansion. At the. LNG export facility in Kitimat, British Columbia, which will double the capacity from 14 to 28 million tons per annum. Emerson will provide our leading valve and sensor technology, building on the success of our phase one solutions. And finally, Emerson signed a 10 year Delta V MES subscription agreement with the leading global life sciences contract manufacturer. Spanning multiple systems across across three sites, Emerson software will help improve operational efficiency through automated data collection, more accurate electronic batch records and more consistent manufacturing workflows. Please turn to slide six. We expect the United States, India, Southeast Asia and the Middle East, as well as our growth verticals.
Good news. To be strong contributors to growth again in 2027. The Americas account for around half of Emerson's sales and grew 7% in 2026. We expect sales to be up mid single digits in 2027, underpinned by broad based growth in the United States with healthy MRO. We are planning for significant activity and growth verticals in the United States, where about a third of our. Businesses serving power, LNG, life sciences, semiconductor and aerospace and defense in Latin America, electrification and energy security needs are expected to unlock project activity. Europe was down 1% in 2026, and we project a modest improvement to low single digit growth with sustained project activity in LNG power and life sciences offset by linking. ...weakness in industrial markets. We do not expect an inflection in the region as demand in Germany, France, and Italy remains soft. Approximately 30% of Emerson's sales are in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa, which collectively grew 3% in 2026, including an approximately $85 million headwind related to the conflict in the Middle East. ...in 2027. We model mid-single-digit growth with continued momentum in the Middle East, which we expect to be up high single digits again, assuming the conflict does not escalate. Rehabilitation work is progressing, and resiliency investments provide long-term opportunities in this region. We are not planning for a recovery in China due to the persistent headwinds in bulk chemical and refining.
We have a mid-single-digit outlook for the rest of Asia, as energy security, grid modernization, and FPSOs support greenfield investment and stable MRO. Growth verticals grew 21% in 2026 and now comprise 27% of Emerson's sales. We expect low double-digit growth in 2027, driven by secular trends of electrification, energy security. and near-shoring, which are supporting investments in automation globally and most prominently in the United States. Our other automation markets were collectively flat in 2026, with prolonged weakness in Europe and China. We model a moderate increase to low single-digit growth in 2027, with improving MRO activity from pent-up demand in energy and favorable trends in North American industrial activity. and electrical equipment. We are entering 2027 from a position of strength, and I am confident in our plans to deliver the year. With that, I will now turn the call over to Mike Bachman to discuss our financial results and guidance in more detail.
- Mike BachmanChief Financial Officer
Thanks, Lal.
Please turn to slide seven for a more in-depth look at our Q4 financial results. As a reminder, the impact of tariff refunds are excluded from our adjusted earnings results. Q4 underlying sales grew seven percent with volume contributing four points. Each of our business groups exceeded expectations led by software and systems up 14 percent. I will provide more details on geographic and group performance on the next two slides. Backlog ended the quarter at eight point two billion dollars up 11 percent year over year and our book to bill was one point zero one. above typical seasonality. Adjusted segment EBITDA margin was twenty nine point one percent of one hundred and sixty basis points. Margin expansion exceeded expectations due to better volume and software and systems and intelligent devices as well as favorable segment mix. Price cost and cost reductions more than offset inflation. Adjusted earnings per share was one dollar and eighty six cents of fifteen percent year over year. Operations contributed an incremental twenty five cents with nineteen cents from software and systems. FX was a one cent headwind. Fourth quarter free cash flow was nine hundred and sixteen million dollars of nine percent with a margin of seventeen point six percent. Full year free cash flow of three point five billion dollars was also up nine percent and margin expanded sixty basis points to eighteen point six percent.
Please turn to. Slide eight for details on Q4 underlying sales by region. The Americas grew nine percent with the U.S. up eleven percent. The pace of business remains strong in the U.S. with software and systems and intelligent devices both of low double digits. Growth was broad based across end markets with the majority of our business units up mid single digits or better in the U.S. Asia, Middle East and Africa grew seven percent led by the Middle East. East and Africa up 19 percent, while Asia was up 2 percent. Another outstanding performance by our teams in the Middle East led to a smaller adverse revenue impact than expected in the quarter. As the duration of the conflict extends, our customers and our teams have consistently found ways to drive business continuity. Europe continued to experience weak markets and grew one percent. Globally, our growth verticals contributed meaningfully to sales and were up 25 percent in the quarter. Growth was strongest in LNG, which was up 68 percent, benefiting from the delivery of projects. Growth was also robust in semiconductor, up 43 percent, and power, up 24 percent. MRO was 63 percent in the quarter, and projects ticked up slightly in the quarter to 37 percent of sales. We saw sustained strength in North America MRO and robust projects. Activity in the Americas, Middle East, and Southeast Asia. Please turn to slide nine for details on fourth quarter underlying sales and margin performance for our three business groups.
Software and systems was up 14 percent underlying as test and measurement grew 15 percent, and control systems and software grew 14 percent. We saw significant growth in power, LNG, and semiconductor. As expected, ACV grew 10.5 percent, 1 percent year over year. Software and systems margin of 32.3 percent increased 490 basis points due to leverage on volume, price cost, and mix. Intelligent devices underlying sales were up 4 percent, better than expected, largely due to final control delivering more project shipments in the Middle East. Growth was led by LNG, power, upstream gas, and midstream gas. Intelligent devices margin of 28.4 percent was down 10 basis points year-over-year, driven by mix, offset by strong price costs and leverage on volume. Safety and productivity was up 2 percent underlying. Strength in electrical products and U.S. industrial activity was offset by persistent weakness in Europe. Safety and productivity's margin of 22.9 percent was up 30 basis points year-over-year due to price costs and cost reductions, offset by inflation. Please turn to slide 10 for our 2027 underlying sales guidance by business group. We expect software and systems to grow 8 to 9 percent in the first quarter and 7 to 8 percent for the full year. We are planning for high single-digit growth in both test and measurement and control systems and software from broad-based demand in the U.S. and growth verticals.
ACV is expected to grow approximately 10 percent in 2027. Intelligent devices is projected to grow 3 to 4 percent in the first quarter and 4 percent for the full year, supported by stable MRO, project activity and growth verticals, and strength in the United States. Safety and productivity is modeled to grow 3 to 4 percent in both Q1 and the full year. While we are seeing continued growth in electric utilities and North America industrial activity is encouraging, European markets are soft. Overall, Emerson expects to grow approximately 5 percent in both Q1 and the full year. Please turn to slide 11 for details on our full year and Q1 2027 guidance. For the full year, we are guiding gap and underlying sales growth of approximately 5 percent. We expect a more normalized pricing environment in 2027 and have built 2 percent price realization into the plan. We expect adjusted segment EBITDA margin of 29 percent, up 80 basis points year over year. We are guiding 2027 adjusted earnings per share of $7.25, up 10 percent, and free cash flow of $3.8 billion to $3.9 billion. As Lal discussed, we plan to return approximately $3.8 billion to shareholders through $2.5 billion of share repurchase, and $1.3 billion in dividends, including raising dividend per share by 7%. We are entering our 71st consecutive year of increased dividend, and the $0.16 dividend per share increase we have modeled demonstrates our commitment to the dividend.
Moving to the first quarter, we expect gap in underlying sales growth of approximately 5%, adjusted segment EBITDA margin of 28%, and adjusted earnings per share of 1%. $1.58 to $1.62. We are also planning to complete approximately $1.5 billion of share repurchase in Q1. Please turn to slide 12. At our investor conference last November, we introduced our value creation framework, which rests on three pillars, organic growth, operational excellence, and capital allocation. We also laid out clear targets for 2028. Our automation portfolio is aligned to multi-year secular tailwinds that support 4% to 7% underlying sales growth. Our operational excellence has been a hallmark of Emerson for generations, and our capital allocation is focused on returning cash to shareholders through meaningful share repurchases and dividend increases. We delivered 2026 and exited the year with strength in orders and a back
- Q&A24:00
- Operator
log position that give us confidence in achieving 2027 results that are right in line with our 2028 targets. With that, I will now turn the call back to the operator for q&a. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one.
Again, we ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of Scott Davis with Milius Research. Your line is open, Scott. Please go ahead.
Question · Milius Research
Scott DavisAnalyst · Milius ResearchHey, good morning, guys.
Lal and Mike and Ram. And welcome, Carl.
- Management
Good morning.
Question · Milius Research
Scott DavisAnalyst · Milius ResearchGuys, I just wanted to stress test the guidance just a little bit. I have to ask. I mean, you had orders up 14%. You got backlog up 11. Last quarter orders were up 7. I can understand the Q1 kind of being relatively conservative on the top line with the 5%, but I would have thought you would have had that accelerating a little bit after Q1. Are you just being conservative on Europe and charter cycle stuff? You know, a little cushion in there. Just maybe help us understand that, those kind of deltas. Yeah, great question, Scott. We obviously feel very, very good about the pacing on orders as we exited. And really the last two quarters and saw significant acceleration in the growth vertical orders particularly. And as Mike pointed out, 37% of the Q4 really being driven by projects, whether those are modernizations or. Greenfield investments. So that acceleration gives us significant confidence as we head into the year and particularly reflected in the backlog growth in the business as well. Having said that, I think your point is valid. We have a Europe that continues to be something that we need to watch given the negative performance in 2026. And of course, China, although there was positivity in China in a few of our markets like test and measurement, overall, they continue to be a concerning market for us. And that has, combined with Europe, led us to the guide that we put together.
- Management
Makes sense. And I have to ask a question. I'm sure the script is written before the election results. Any tweaks that you would make based on the election results and markets that you might think might be a little better or a little worse? Not really. I mean, I think we've I think the the industrial. Policy of the United States, particularly over the last two years, has been really positive for our business. Certainly a a an energy policy and your shoring policy has benefited Emerson. And we expect that to continue because ultimately those policies do create American jobs and to create American well being. So we hope that continues. I don't think I would change anything related to how we outlook the year right now. OK, best of luck. 27 guys. Thank you. I appreciate it.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Andy Koplowitz with Citi. Your line is open. Andy, please go ahead.
Question · Citi
Andy KoplowitzAnalyst · CitiGood morning, everyone.
Good morning, Andy.
Well, maybe you could characterize a little more of the surge in orders that you saw in Q4 and especially in the Middle East. I know you mentioned the large pet chem project in the region, but I assume much of that growth in the region is associated with energy security type projects. So when you step back for the overall company, do you think this recent order surge is somewhat durable into 27 when you look at energy security under the ongoing cycles you have? You know, you mentioned power, LNG, test measurement. Yeah, Andy, really good question. So maybe answering the first part, the Middle East continues to invest in two facets. One, gas production, liquid production, but of course the downstream investments as well. And then secondly, on resiliency projects, whether that's pipeline storage, transportation, which we're starting to see as well. The particular project that we want in Qatar that I referenced is a downstream petrochemical project. The largest expansion of a downstream facility we've seen in the region in many decades, which was encouraging to see in the midst of all the disruption, of course, resulted in the war. So that customer had enough confidence to move down. forward and finance it. And we were excited to be awarded the project. To the second part of your question, we absolutely believe that there is continued momentum in the Middle East and Africa as we go into 2027 in both facets of that type of work. So we're excited about what the what the team's accomplishing there and for the outlook. Now, that assumes, Andy, of course, that we're kind of status quo on on the war.
- Management
But if that's the case, we feel really good about what the plan that we put forward here. That's great. And then, well, Mike, I think you've been relatively positive regarding Emerson's ability to price. Pricing, I think, ended around 3 percent for the year. Price versus cost stayed in the green. So maybe give us more call into what's in bed in your 27 expectations. In terms of pricing and the confidence level you have to stay ahead of cost, given cost efficiency out there, I think you've got sort of normal incrementals modeled for. For 27, but maybe just elaborate on that. Yeah. So 3% price was this year, obviously a point came from tariff and 2% normalized pricing. And so going into next year, we feel pretty good about 2% price in the plan. That's normal level of pricing. I think it's supported by our positioning in almost every category and every end market. So we feel pretty good. That's how we've gone into the year now. Certainly inflation, particularly material inflation, we've modeled in. Electronics and some of the pricing related to memory will be unfavorable. Tariffs will be marginally favorable versus this year, but net net good positive green on price costs should underwrite the incrementals and the margin plan for next year. Appreciate all the color, guys.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Steve Tusa with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Steve, please go ahead.
Question · Wells Fargo
Steve TusaAnalyst · Wells FargoHi, good morning, guys.
Good morning, Steve.
Just on the first quarter, it looks like I think the implied incremental is a little bit lower than what you've guided for the year. I think you've got a bit of an easy software comp. Is there something else in the bridge for the first quarter on margins that we should be aware of?
- Mike BachmanChief Financial Officer
Hey, Steve, it's Mike.
Yeah, for the first quarter, we'll see year over year. And as you point out, we'll get some software contract renewal benefit there. We do have some mix. We're continuing to deliver more projects. We've got some startup costs that's coming in for an expansion that we've done that will affect really the first half. And that reads through an intelligent devices. And we continue to invest in the business. As we look at 27 for the. For the full year, we've dialed in about 80 basis points of improvement and there will be the software contract dynamic, which creates a tailwind. And we will continue to do what we've been doing around price costs being green and offsetting inflation and cost reduction. So we feel very good about the profitability that we've dialed in and the full year incrementals, I think, at the midpoint are sitting right there at about 40 percent. So I feel like we've put together a very responsible profitability plan as we move into 27, although, as you point out, out of the gate here, consistent really with, I think, the pacing that we had last year, the first quarter is a little slower than the rest of the year. And is there something different in the mix relative to 4Q? Because, I mean, 4Q, I think you had some decent greenfield and 4Q. Yeah, so 4Q was really a story of control systems and software, where we had a very strong quarter that came in at 33.1, which was above our expectations and above the prior year of 27%, which was the lowest quarter of the year.
So they had some easy comps, but Q4 had several tailwinds. We continue to do very well in power. So Ovation is in that segment and continues to do well. We had a... Good quarter in software. So the mix was good. It was the end of the year where we've got project closeouts that typically happen. Sometimes those are a positive. Sometimes they're a negative. This year, they were positives. And then we also had good price there. We had the pricing dynamic with the memory cost coming in. I think we've talked about it before that in Q3, we had a little bit of leakage in price that all came back in Q4. So they had $5. It's a price in that segment. So that's really what drove the quarter ahead of expectation. And it was just a confluence of a lot of goodness at CSS that all didn't quarter. Okay. Thanks a lot. Great caller.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Your line is open. Andrew, please go ahead.
Question · Bank of America
Andrew ObinAnalyst · Bank of AmericaYeah.
- Management
Good morning.
Question · Bank of America
Andrew ObinAnalyst · Bank of AmericaCan you hear me?
- Management
Good morning, Andrew.
Question · Bank of America
Andrew ObinAnalyst · Bank of AmericaExcellent. Just a question on corporate expense in the fourth quarter. It came in sequentially quite a bit higher than we thought. What's driving it? Are we pulling any expenses forward here? Yeah, Andrew. Great question. All the goodness I talked about at CSS, we have the exact opposite story at the corporate level, and we were about $45 million higher than we expected to be. I would say. Tell you that that is several individually inconsequential items that all added up to a big number. And if you look at the EPS bridge, I think it's worth noting that was about $0.05 that was offset by lower interest and share count, and we continue to get tax benefits year over year. So it really didn't have a big impact on the EPS. Now, what was it? We had some FX headwinds at corporate. We manage assets that are non-operating assets. Sometimes we have gains. Sometimes we have impairments and losses. This quarter, we actually had modeled in a small gain that didn't happen, and we had an impairment that we had to take. We also had a really bad performance around our medical claims experience. Corporate charges those out for the year and then pays the actuals and takes the over-under. So we had a bad quarter there. And then there was just some smaller items, all of which broke bad. Now, in terms of discretionary investments, we did make some discretionary investments in IT. And I think that it's worth noting we continue to plan those investments out into 27.
- Management
So if you bridge 26, we finished the year corporate other about $209 million. The $45 million that we saw in Q4. will largely not repeat, but we will be making an incremental investment of about $25 million through 2027 in digital enablement to improve our commercial tools that support the sales force, contracting, HR systems, and really getting us in a position to better leverage AI as we move forward. So that incremental 25 will read through and then we've got some inflation that gets you to the 190. 5 assumption for 2027. So yes, Andrew, a tough quarter at corporate with a lot of one-offs that won't affect 27 in any meaningful way, but we are investing in 27 in the digital enablement that we'll read through. And just to follow up, just on orders, how should we think about how much of your order book right now is actually for 28 versus the... 27, because I do appreciate your comments in China and Europe, but I would imagine orders reflect those markets as well. So maybe can you talk about, from a temporary time perspective, how does it flow? What percent of your order book is for 27 and how much of it now extends into 28? Thank you. Yes, Andrew, you'll see in the 10K, you know, we make that disclosure of the percent of the backlog in the next 12 months. And that has been pretty sticky. 75% for a long time that that dropped to 70%. So it's a your point is a good one. And one that we've been making as well that the order book is filling up with long cycle, and that's starting to read through. Now that said, MRO activity remains robust in certain markets, and it's it exited the year very healthy, high single digits. So and supported, obviously, the 7% growth in the quarter. So
- Management
So we feel very good about the the orders. But yes, some are some are longer dated. Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Nigel Coe with Wolf Research. Your line is open, Nigel, please go ahead.
Question · Wolf Research
Nigel CoeAnalyst · Wolf ResearchOh, thank you. Thanks.
- Management
Good morning, guys.
- Management
Thanks.
- Management
Good morning.
- Management
Good morning.
Question · Wolf Research
Nigel CoeAnalyst · Wolf ResearchJust wanted to just like dig into a little bit. You know, between obviously software and services, if we, if we, software solutions, if we, I'm assuming the control systems portion of that is, is growing high single digits, obviously double digits this quarter. The ID portfolio is growing, you know, 4% in 2027. So I just want to understand a little bit better that divergence. I'm assuming it's project versus MRO, but any additional cover would be great. Yeah, I think, I mean, so Nigel Ram here on the, on the two dynamics on systems and software. Now, obviously there's TNM growth in there, which is strong growth at 15%. Our power business, the Ovation business had significant growth in the quarter and Aspen Tech had strong growth. So those are the dynamics as it relates to a secular tailwinds around TNM and power that is driving the growth. Intelligent devices, of course, which is our final control and our sensor business has broad based participation across many markets. And frankly, the dynamics around Europe, China, and also the Middle East did impact intelligent devices. Great. And then you mentioned Middle East. I have to check the number twice, 40% plus growth in the quarter. How much of that is just a kind of a catch up on prior activity? I think you're assuming that strength continues in 2027. Just want to understand a little better, you know, what you're seeing in the Middle East and, you know, how much of this is just catch up?
- Management
This is new project stroke rebuild. Yeah, I mean, obviously, a big part of it was related to project activity. We did reference the downstream petrochemical project in Qatar, which was a big win for us. But there was plenty of good activity in Saudi and UAE as well. So I think timing on projects plus strong MRO in the quarter, which should continue, assuming there is no additional bad news in the Middle East. East and disruptions as it relates to the war. I think all end markets, Qatar, UAE, Saudi, and obviously a strong Africa is what we've modeled in for next year. And at this point, we feel pretty good about that plan. Okay.
- Management
Thanks, Rob.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell with JP Morgan. Your line is open, Julian. Please go ahead.
Question · JP Morgan
Julian MitchellAnalyst · JP MorganHi, good morning.
Maybe I just wanted to... Start off with the capital deployment and sort of cash flow, as that hasn't really come up. So you've been very disciplined or constrained on M&A activity for a couple of years now. I'd wondered if you might become a bit more expansive given that, but I suppose, should we read the large buyback as a sign that M&A probably remains very limited for some time?
- Management
Hey, Julian.
- Management
Good morning.
- Management
We're all here. Yeah, I think you've read that correctly. We made a... commitment in 2025 at our investor conference around capital allocation and really a focus on returning cash to shareholders over this three-year cycle. Obviously, a year in now guiding into the second year, we maintain that in line with that plan. Having said that, there's ample firepower for Bolton acquisitions. We continue to work those. So in terms of Bolton M&A, billion, sub-billion dollar type opportunities, we'll continue to evaluate them. But in terms of the large-scale work we had done in the past, that's not in the cards in this plan.
- Management
Understood. And then maybe on the organic learning outlook for testing measurements, just wondered kind of how you've thought about that. You had mid-teams growth in Q4. I think you've guided to sort of steady high single-digit growth through the next 12 years. of months. I understand it's quite a book-and-ship business, comps are tough. So maybe sort of unpack that T&M sales guide a little bit, please. Yeah, Ram here, Julian. Yeah, you said it. I think at the end of the day for us, the momentum in T&M, which was about 15% growth in Q4, will certainly continue into the first half because we've got visibility, the aerospace and defense segment is very strong, semis are very strong, and portfolio has moderate it, but still high single digits. Obviously, the one segment which is now less than $200 million of the portfolio is the automotive piece, which is the only segment that is slow. Now, what we have baked in is a strong first half and then a moderating second half, just given a cautious approach to where we see the semi-cycle and the power of tougher comparison. So I think it's a par plan, how we've laid out. Now, obviously, if they, if the semi business continues to be strong into the second half, then we can certainly, you know, do better than the plan we've laid out. Great. Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Alexander Virgo with Evercore ISI. Your line is open, Alexander. Please go ahead.
Question · Evercore ISI
Alexander VirgoAnalyst · Evercore ISIAll right.
- Management
Thanks very much.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
Question · Evercore ISI
Alexander VirgoAnalyst · Evercore ISII wondered if you could just talk a little bit about the complexion of your power orders. The last couple of quarters of those orders really stemming from brownfield investment. And I'm wondering whether or not we've started to see the benefit of behind the meter and new power generation orders starting to filter through into those numbers. That would be my first question. And then on the follow-up, I wondered if you could just give us a sense of how much of the software growth in the quarter was from renewals. And just as we think about that. ACV growth next year, where we should be expecting to see sort of lumpiness from those renewals as we look into 2017. Thank you. Okay, I'll take the first one. On the power side, you know, broad-based power activity. Certainly, you know, the fleet modernizations is where the power activity started, but now it is broad-based where we see greenfield expansions, both brownfield and greenfield. And the greenfield activity is certainly has been very, very strong. In Q4, and we expect that to continue into next year. Overall, our power business, about $2.5 billion, grew at 25%. Our control systems portion of the power business, which is primarily driven by greenfield, was up close to 45%. So we are seeing strong momentum and no slowdown in power, and we expect to repeat that going into next year. So on your second one, Alex, around software, you know, we
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continue to do very well with our software. And obviously, this year, it was a bit of a headwind with the renewal dynamic costing us 70 basis points. As we've talked about, that unwinds roughly half next year, half in 28. We'll get a little more than half next year. So for the year, that should be a tailwind of around 35 basis points. I think that's the question you were getting after. Yeah.
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Thanks, Mike.
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That's great. Okay.
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Your next question comes from the line of Joe Oday with Vertical Research. Your line is open, Joe. Please go ahead.
Question · Vertical Research
Joe OdayAnalyst · Vertical ResearchHi.
Good morning.
You gave some helpful color on some of the growth within growth verticals in Q4. And I was wondering if you could do the same in terms of what rolls up to low double-digit expectations in 27 and any color on the growth hierarchy across power, LNG, life sciences, I mean, Zandy. Yeah. I mean, I think, well, power and LNG certainly would be in the higher end of that forecast. We see that activity continuing to be very, very strong. Life sciences will be more high single digits. The semi-business is where we've modeled. As basically mid-single digits, a strong first half and some slowdown modeled in for the second half, which is the wild card, which if it doesn't happen, we'll have an opportunity to outperform. So that's kind of how we're thinking about it. And strengthening that continues in the high single digits to low double digits type performance. Understood. And then, well, you made a comment about completing the. Aspen integration a couple of years ahead of target and just interested in the setup for growth as you move forward and the go to market approach and how you're now poised to leverage the full scope of them or some capabilities with that addition of Aspen and the full integration. Joe, thanks for the question. We are very excited about the momentum that's building at Aspen as we came through the second half of this year. The team delivering. We're all in software systems, 10% ACV growth and gives us confidence as we go into 2028. But the focus inside of Aspen has been twofold. Number one, accelerate new product development in suites and new products into the marketplace, both within its traditional Aspen products, but as well into the DGM space. And then number two, integration of technology within
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the DGM space. OTV innovation to enable our customers journey to an autonomous future to be possible in the future. And that's the third thing and the work that's been done by the team is really around the commercial engine. It's the customer success journey to manage retention. It's the acquisition of new logos at Aspen Tech. And a lot of work they're done in conjunction with the broader. Delta V innovation teams as well. So great momentum, a really good job by the team integrating and delivering the synergies two years ahead of schedule. And now as we go forward with a lot of confidence. Thank you.
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Your next question comes from the line of Brett Lindsey with Mizuho. Your line is open, Brett. Please go ahead.
Question · Mizuho
Brett LindseyAnalyst · MizuhoHey, good morning, all.
Hey, I wanted to just follow up on the Middle East disruption. So earlier in the year, you had described as roughly 100 million of rebuild and restart opportunities. I guess how much of that is converted, if any? And when you think about the 27 guide framework, how much are you assuming is rebuild or of that 100 million? How much is assumed within the framework for the year? So we got... Some of that this year, I would say from a modeling perspective, $50 to $75 million is still available in terms of rebuild opportunity or rehab opportunity going into next year. That's kind of how we're thinking about it.
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Okay, that's helpful. And then on tested measurement into next year, is the bigger opportunity around the top line recovery or is there really a nice operating leverage story as that volume comes back? I know you guys have taken a lot of costs out of that business. I'm just trying to think about the incremental margin profile into next year. Yeah, I think the answer is both. I mean, obviously the orders momentum supports another strong year from a top line perspective and we drove good, really good leverage and significant margin expansion this year and a similar type of expansion modeled in for next year. Yeah, Brett, I would just add, you know, our commitment there was to get the 31% in five years, we ended the year at 29. I certainly would expect there to be a point plus of improvement coming or going through 27. So we're certainly on track with the commitments that we laid out at the beginning there.
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Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Buscalia with BNP Paribas. Your line is open. Andrew, please go ahead.
Question · BNP Paribas
Andrew BuscaliaAnalyst · BNP ParibasHey, good morning, everyone.
Good morning.
I just wanted to touch on intelligent devices. So it's been another year of kind of low growth in that segment. It's picking up a little bit in the second half and order suggests that could be changing a bit. So what is it that, you know, what sort of underlying sub verticals or regions need to improve meaningfully to get you back to like a high single digit number that you've done in years past? Like what's really kind of the biggest drag that you've done? You know, for us, Europe and China. So I think the impact of Europe and China in intelligent devices is significant. And that really has to turn in a meaningful way. And we've not, we don't see that. We don't see that where you're talking a high single digit. I think our model, long term model for intelligent devices is a three to six type framework. Now, there'll be years where we'll go past the six. But I think. I think at this point, I think it's a par plan and it's got a reasonable expectation for Europe and China built into it going into next year. Yeah. And specifically on China, you kind of call it out early. It's like one of the reasons recruiting you from putting out a bigger guide relative to your orders on the top line. What is it that's most concerning to you that could go one way or the other in that region? I guess what do you have your eye on that could change? Where the other half of the year progresses? You know, again, I think, as Lal said earlier, we see pockets of, I mean, our test and measurement business, for example, had 31% growth in China.
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Now it's 200 million out of the billion eight we do in China. We see good activity in power and we see good activity in export business from China now and Marines. So as those become a larger part of our business, I think you'll see some net positive there. But the biggest issue we have. There's 40 percent of our sales in China is exposed to petrochemical and refining. And that segment has to receive new capital formation in a meaningful way. And it is overcapacitized. So until we see that move in a direction of new capacity being added, it's going to be hard for us to turn China around. Now, we don't have the power of easier comparisons going into next year. So we'll see growth. But for China, turn to historic levels, it's got to have greenfield investment in chemical, petrochemical, and refining. Yeah. Great caller. Thank you.
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Your next question comes from the line of Varun Govindaraj with Bernstein. Your line is open, Varun. Please go ahead.
Question · Bernstein
Varun GovindarajAnalyst · BernsteinMorning, everyone.
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Thank you for the question.
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I just wanted to dive a little bit deeper. I mean, you talked a bit about China, but on the Europe side, it is a market that's in decline. There's a market that's not growing very fast. What's your strategy there? How are you thinking about, you know, in an environment where the market isn't growing all that much? Are there any levers that you can pull to try and gain? Absolutely. We've done a lot of work in identifying white spaces, identifying new customer segments, new markets, because to your point, we do see extraordinary growth in China in our test and measurement business. They're, they're very, they're significant growth in semiconductor. There's in the humanoid segment and another elements of the economy. So the job of our selling organizations, as they, we said, is knocking on new doors and finding those new customer segments that are actually spending share of wallets. So really important for us to do in both China and Europe as we go through this year. And I think we're set up to, to, to, to, to execute in that fashion.
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Thank you for the color.
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And then as a followup, can you. Share any incremental feedback on the, on the Nigel AI system platform that you, that you've launched for LabVIEW. It's been out for some time now. How has customer feedback been? And are you seeing any impact on retention rates from it? Yeah, I think first off, great customer feedback. In fact, we do our annual event at NI Connect and where we bring a lot of our customers in. And Nigel was obviously a big feature of how, what we shared with our customers and the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. Now the way we're positioning. Nigel is it's part of the highest tier of LabVIEW and we can see clear migration of purchase towards that tier, which has built in Nigel capability. Now, obviously the roadmap has more and more capabilities with Nigel towards autonomous workflows. And that's really what we're most excited about, where we can truly go from a virtual assistant, if you will, to automating test workflows for customers, which will have meaningful impact on productivity. And so. So more to come in the, in the Nigel area.
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Thanks so much, Alejandro.
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Your next question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra with UBS. Your line is open, Amit. Please go ahead.
Question · UBS
Amit MehrotraAnalyst · UBSOkay. Thank you. Let's try this again. I'm clearly still learning how to use the phone. Thank you. Sorry about that, gentlemen.
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Good morning.
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Maybe I could just start, you know, one thing that's very clear is when, when you guys, you guys had a lot of. Curveballs thrown at you in fiscal 26 with the Middle East. And not only did you hit your initial guidance, but you were able to sort of exceed it. And, and I, I wonder, as I think about sort of the 2027 and how you guys frame the guidance, I'm assuming there's some level of prudency in how you're thinking about the year. Because when I look at your fiscal first quarter, organic growth guidance or underlying growth guidance is similar to the full year. When I would think, you know, comps get a little bit easier. You're obviously accelerating order growth. There should be maybe some level of accelerating growth. So maybe just talk about that question specifically and how you sort of the level of conservatism or prudence that you apply when you form formulating the 27 guide. Amit, thank you. This is all a great question and commentary and appreciate your reflection on 2026. Now look, we certainly exit the year with momentum in underlying orders. And I think that, as reflected in the backlog, gives us confidence to execute 2027. Having said that, it's not all roses out there. The European market, the China market, which has been called out a few times on this call already, are concerning. We are expecting moderate, slight improvements in each, but there will be headwinds to underlying growth, I believe.
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throughout the year. That's where the conservatism really lies in. We continue to be relatively optimistic about the Middle East under a status quo of the conflict. We continue to be optimistic about the United States in areas such as India and Southeast Asia. So that's really the offset that led us to the construct of this guide. But overall, I certainly feel positive as I enter 2027. Okay.
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Thank you, Lau.
Question · UBS
Amit MehrotraAnalyst · UBSAnd just as a follow-up, I noticed that when I look at the buyback, how front-end loaded the buyback is, I think most of it, the majority of it's actually in the first quarter relative to the full-year guide. Can you just talk about what the driving factor is to front-load it so significantly? Maybe it's just a sort of cash flow thing or balance sheet capacity or maybe a reflection of where you're going. You think your stock's trading at? Any color on why it's still front-loaded would be appreciated. Sure. Thanks for the question, Amit. We are committed to the $2.5 billion, but as we've talked about in the sort of longer range capital planning, we do want to create flexibility for acquisitions. So front-loading gave us the opportunity to get the benefit of the lower share count that will support. The 2027 guide while giving us flexibility as the year unfolds to if an opportunity, a bolt-on opportunity comes up, we can do that and still be in a position to deliver 28. So it was really buying us some flexibility. And of course, yes, there's a valuation perspective that we took at the time that we saw some opportunity there. And that has certainly borne out over the course of the last couple of months. So we feel very good about the decision. Feel good about having the flexibility. And, you know, if no acquisition candidate comes up, then we will stick to the plan and return the additional billion dollars in the back nine months of the year.
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Got it. OK, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
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