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CNH earnings call transcript, November 9, 2026
CNH 2026 Q3 results
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- Prepared remarks0:03
Good morning, and welcome to the CNH 2026 Third Quarter Results Conference Call.
- Operator
After today's prepared remarks, we will hold a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I will now turn the call over to Jason Omerza, Vice President of Investor Relations.
- Jason OmerzaVice President of Investor Relations
Thank you, Connor, and good morning, everyone. We would like to welcome you to CNH's third quarter earnings call for the period ending September 30th, 2026. This live webcast is copyrighted by CNH, and any recording, transmission, or other use of any portion of it without the written consent of CNH is strictly prohibited. Hosting today's call are CNH CEO Garrett Marks and CFO Jim Nicholas. They will reference the material available. for download from our website. Please note that any forward-looking statements that we make during today's call are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the safe harbor statement included in the presentation material. Additional information pertaining to factors that could cause actual results to differ materially is contained in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K as well as other periodic reports and filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The presentation includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. Additional information including reconciliations to the most directly comparable U.S. GAAP financial measures is included in the presentation material. I will now turn the call over to Garrett.
- Garrett MarksManagement
Thank you, Jason, and welcome to everyone joining the call. We're here to talk about the third quarter results, but to kick things off, I'm pleased to share that earlier today we announced an agreement to establish CNH's construction business. as a joint venture with Kobelco Construction Machinery. We'll talk more about this in a few minutes, but this is an important step as we conclude our journey of portfolio simplification and sharpening our agriculture focus. From here, we build an even structure. Stronger agriculture technology player organically through partnerships and through disciplined M&A. Third quarter results reflect continued diligent execution as we manage through an agricultural equipment cycle that remains challenging, but beginning to. Show more constructive signals in North America. As we discussed last quarter, we continue to monitor several indicators that help us assess the timing and strength of the next upcycle. Dealers new and used inventories, the price spread. Between new and used equipment, commodity prices, and farmer income. Generally speaking, CNH dealers' used inventories are at or below pandemic levels. And during the third quarter... We saw new inventories intentionally decline by approximately $100 million sequentially. Model year 2027 order intake in North America is in line with expectations. But conditions in EMEA and Brazil... ...remain challenging. Farmer profitability continues to be squeezed due to low commodity prices and high input costs.
This has been compounded in EMEA due to hot, dry weather and in Brazil due to low credit... ...availability. We will see what the recent and upcoming elections will add in terms of certainty, opportunity and support for our farmers. We continue to execute our self-help actions and track... ...towards our path to 2030 objectives. Operationally, we are delivering better quality, achieving operational efficiencies and focusing on supply chain readiness. We are also continuing to invest organically. ...and inorganically in the products and technologies that strengthen our competitive position through the cycle. We announced an example of a strong and mutually beneficial partnership and strategic alliance with Bogo Industries at... ...the end of August that expands our global seeding portfolio. This is another proof point for how we bring strong technology to customers faster by combining leading innovation with CNH's brands, reach and dealer network. We invest in upgrading our strongholds and future core technologies, partner with great players who complement our lineup and seek out inorganic opportunities to accelerate our transformation as we deliver on our... best-to-day commitments. A farmer's freedom of choice is non-negotiable for us. We link that with our technology focused on soil health, along with a view of community health that we take jointly with our dealer partners. Together, this is what we call total farm health. Turning to the results. Consolidated revenues were $4.4 billion, down 1% year over year. Industrial net sales were $3.7 billion.
Approximately flat year over year. Our X segment sales were down 2%, with North America up 2%, while EMEA declined 6%, and South America declined 22%. The volume declines were partially offset by favorable price. Industrial adjusted EBIT was $202 million, up 94%, and adjusted industrial EBIT margin improved 270 basis points to 5.5%. Adjusted income was 200. $5 million in adjusted diluted EPS was $0.16. The 2026 results include $71 million in net IEPA tariff refunds after some of the proceeds. received were reinvested in the business for time-constrained one-time efforts that we would not have taken without the refunds. We will make further investments of these funds during the fourth quarter. Free cash flow from industrial activities was announced. flow of $10 million and improvement of $178 million year over year. Earlier today, we announced a definite agreement with Kobelco to establish CNH construction equipment business as a joint venture. Which we'll call CEJV for now. There will be a final company name in due course. CEJV will be a global full-line construction equipment player, 70% owned by Kobelco. And well positioned to meet the needs of today's construction equipment customers. This transaction is the next step in our years-long transformation of CNH into a pure play agriculture equipment technology and services. Building on our acquisition of Raven Industries in 2021 and the spin-off of our on-highway operations into Iveco Group in 2022, today's news advances our portfolio simplification.
And sharpens our focus on agriculture. This transaction will position CNH as the largest pure-play agricultural machinery OEM that covers the full crop cycle with a strengthened financial profile, able to innovate. And create value for farmers and for our shareholders at every point of the cycle. It also meets the brief we set out to find the right long-term partner for the construction business, as I've outlined previously and elaborated on since I came back to see. We were looking for a partnership that would do two things. First, upgrade our construction segments, economies of scale, its geographic reach and its competitiveness across the full product line, most notably. In heavy excavators with the leading technology player. Second, deepen the breadth and the technology of the construction machines supplied back through CNH's agriculture dealer network to ensure we continue to provide farmers with a work. World-class lineup of construction machines for agriculture applications, such as landscaping, irrigation management, or even internal farm road building. It was also critical to find a trusted owner and operator that would steward construction strongly. Brands, high-performing teams, ambitious colleagues, and excellent service and support business. We were patient and deliberate in our selection, looking for the best fit along several dimensions. We ran a comprehensive... ...process to evaluate how best to position construction to succeed and drive shareholder value to CNH. As part of that, we had conversations with multiple parties over an extended period of time. There's only one...
...case construction and its heritage is unique in the industry. Our discipline led us to today's agreement with Kobelko Construction Machinery, a global excavator and crane specialist with a proven track record. ...and the technology and geographic strength that complements CNH's construction business. Kobelko is the right owner for CNH construction for exactly the reasons I described. CEJV will combine Kobelko... ...Belko's expertise, geographies, technological capabilities, innovation resources and product strength with CNH construction's brands, products and global sales and service network. Together, CEJV creates a better resource... ...and focused business with the ability to be more competitive, innovative and agile in the construction industry. Through the creation of a stronger construction equipment player and CNH partner in CEJV, both CNH and CEJV dealers... ...will benefit from a full suite of high-quality, cost-competitive construction machines that incorporate leading technology. And above all, Kobelco Construction Machinery is not a new partner for CNH. You might remember the... ...time when we were already operating joint ventures in Europe and North America up until 2012. This next step is a new chapter in which Kobelco assumes control over the entire case construction business, forging a powerhouse ranking among the global top 10. CNH will focus on serving customers with full line agricultural applications through our five core brands, Case IH, New Holland, Steyr, CNH Tech, which includes the Raven Precision Technology Platform and CNH Capital.
Given the agricultural use cases of many New Holland construction products, CNH will continue to distribute that brand directly in all regions except for Latin America, where New Holland construction will operate its own network. Under the CEJV. The JV will be a global manufacturer and distributor of full-line construction equipment under the Case Construction, New Holland Construction and Eurocomark brands. Kobelco will own 70% of CEJV. And CNH will retain a 30% equity ownership position in CEJV for at least three years. The transaction is expected to be accretive to CNH margins. And strengthen our overall financial profile, enabling enhanced value creation through focused investment in our ag products and global dealer network. In addition to the cash proceeds, CNH will participate in the upside from our return. And retain stake in what will be a much stronger construction equipment business. Leveraging Kobelko's complementary strengths, geographies, innovation and expertise, Humayun Chishi and his team will have the focus and the resources to build. Build more competitive machines and deliver outstanding support to customers and dealers. Being with a pure play construction leader will sharpen and accelerate their transformation. It is all about focus and execution. We expect the transaction to close by the end of 2027. We are excited about the opportunity this transaction creates for both CNH customers and shareholders.
And we are excited about the future of the construction business as it grows with Kobelco. Jim will provide... some additional details later. As we work towards the closing of the CEJV transaction, we remain fully committed to our long-term agricultural strategy and to delivering sustainable value through the cycle. That strategy continues to center around five key pillars. Expanding product leadership, advancing our iron and tech integration, driving commercial excellence, operational excellence, and quality as a mindset. As we manage through the current market. We obviously continue to invest in the products, technologies, and capabilities that we are convinced will differentiate CNH over the long term and support the expansion of our mid-cycle margins. Today, I would like to highlight the BOGO alignment. The BOGO alliance is a good example of how we can expand our offering for better customer choices and bring innovation to market faster by combining a proven product leader. With the reach of our brands and dealer network. BOGO has built a strong position in seeding technology. Bringing that capability together with CNH will strengthen our competitiveness and broaden our offering across precision seeding and air drill systems, high capacity. The air cards, digital technology and control systems. It also supports our focus on soil health and allows us to concentrate internal investments where we can create the greatest value across agriculture.
We've always championed farmers' choice with our open field ops system. This alliance is another demonstration of how field ops can connect all equipment mix, giving farmers access to data that they own and can leverage for better. Our management decisions. With that, I will now turn the call over to Jim to take us through the details of our financials and guidance.
- JimManagement
Thank you, Garrett. Agriculture third quarter net sales were about $2.9 billion, down 2% year. Over a year, driven by lower volumes in South America and EMEA, partially offset by growth in the Asia-Pacific, and by favorable price realization. Adjusted gross margin was 22.3%. Up from 20.6% a year ago. Agriculture adjusted EBIT increased to $173 million from $137 million. And adjusted EBIT margin improved. To 6.0% from 4.6%. The improvement includes better quality-related costs, continued operational execution, and tariff-free funds, partially offset by lower volumes in South America and EMEA. The net benefit of the EMEA tariff-free funds in the quarter was $32 million. As we mentioned in our last earnings call, we do intend to reinvest most of AG's tariff-free funds back into the business. In Q3, we... ...reinvested $25 million in one-off efforts to clear aged and discontinued equipment inventories and $5 million to accelerate precision technology R&D capacity growth. Q4 will see additional... ...reinvestments. I'll cover that in a moment. Without the net refund benefit, agriculture's adjusted EBIT would have been $141 million with a margin of 4.8% in... ...improvement from last year's 4.6%. We maintained our manufacturing schedule discipline with production hours down 11% year-over-year in the quarter and down 3% year-to-date. Dealer inventory declined by approximately $100 million sequentially in Q3. Construction net sales were $770...
...up 5% year-over-year. Driven by favorable price realization and higher volumes in North America, partially offset by lower volumes in South America. Adjusted gross margin improved 400...
...to $65 million from $14 million a year ago, with adjusted EBIT margin increasing to 8.4%. The year-over-year improvement primarily reflected the net benefit of tariff refunds, lower SG&A expenses, and continued operational discipline, partially offset by lower volumes in South America. The net benefit of the EPA refunds was $39 million in Q3 after we reinvested...
primarily reflecting a $156 million non-cash valuation allowance against deferred tax assets in Brazil due to ongoing elevated delinquencies. Excluding that non-cash charge, adjusted net income was $79 million, up from $46 million a year ago, primarily reflecting lower risk costs in South America.
year-over-year, and the managed portfolio ended the quarter at $27.8 billion, down $700 million year-over-year. Delinquencies were 4.1%, primarily driven by South America. Gross margin over average assets on book was 3.5%, and return on assets was 1.3%. Our capital allocation priorities remain unchanged. First, we support organic growth and margin expansion through disciplined investments in commercial actions, operational efficiency, and quality. Second, we preserve balance sheet strength and an investment-grade credit rating. In keeping with this, we plan to use the net proceeds from the construction sale to reduce debt. Third, we maintain capacity for strategic, disciplined, and margin accretive M&A. And finally, we return excess cash flow to
stock at an average price of $10.53 per share. This brings our total share repurchases through the first nine months of the year to $87 million. Before I turn to the guidance for the remainder of the year, let me give you an update on tariffs and the IEPA refunds. First, we now estimate the full year 2026 margin impact of tariffs, excluding the IEPA refunds, to be 185 basis points in agriculture. And 470 basis points in construction. This is based on tariffs in place as of today. For modeling purposes, you can assume the same impact in 2027. Next, as mentioned, we recognized $71 million in net refund benefits. During the third quarter, $32 million in agriculture and $39 million in construction. In the fourth quarter, we will make further reinvestments of the refunds previously received. So whereas there was a net benefit in... the third quarter, expect a net investment in the fourth quarter. On the slide, you can see the approximate full-year net benefit expected in each segment. In agriculture, we will reinvest all but $5 million of the refunds. The biggest portion will be to fund some one-off efforts to clear aged and discontinued equipment inventories. We are also taking advantage of the funds to accelerate an increase in our precision technology R&D capacity. Most of these efforts help agriculture to become a more competitive business. In construction, the full year net refund benefit will be about $30 million after funding some discretionary programs to promote connected equipment.
And help clear aged inventories. The net refunds are now included in the segment and corporate guidance numbers we're about to review. For agriculture, our current 2026 industry outlook. It remains mixed by region and product. We have slightly adjusted down the North American industry retail forecast for smaller tractors. And we further moved down the industry forecast for South America in both tractors and combines. Globally, we still forecast agriculture industry machine retail sales to be about 80% of mid-cycle. With three-quarters now behind us, our view of full-year CNH agriculture segment sales is unchanged. We continue to expect net sales to be approximately flat year-over-year, including about 2% of favorable currency translation. We are narrowing the EBIT margin guidance to 5.1% to 5.4% from the prior range of 5% to 5.5%. The narrow range reflects our year-to-date performance, continued execution on cost and operational initiatives, and the refund reinvestments, offsetting lower expectations in EMEA and Brazil. In construction, global industry demand continues to be strong, particularly for heavy equipment. We have raised and narrowed our full-year net sales outlook to up 8% to 10%, including about 1% of favorable currency translation. We are narrowing the EBIT margin guidance to 2% to 2.3%, which includes the net tariff benefit partially offset by lower profitability in South America.
Putting the two segments together... ...we now expect 2026 industrial net sales to increase approximately 2% year over year. We are also adjusting the EBIT margin range from industrial activities to 3.4% to 3.8%. We are raising our industrial free cash flow outlook to $300 to $450 million from $200 to $400 million, and we now expect adjusted diluted EPS of $0.44 to $0.48 compared with $0.41 to $0.46 previously. Before I turn it back to Garrett, I will walk through some of the key details of our transaction announced today with Cabelco Construction Machinery.
- Garrett MarksManagement
The transaction value is a construction equipment business at an enterprise value of $1 billion. As Garrett noted, the transaction is expected to be accretive to CNH's margins given the structurally stronger margin profile of the agriculture segment compared to the construction segment. A key financial impact of this transaction is CNH's ability to focus its organic and inorganic investments in the higher-returning agriculture business. Cobelco will acquire 70% of the equity of CEJV. CNH expects to receive $700 million in cash consideration. for the sale of 70% of its business, subject to adjustments for net debt, working capital, and other customary items. We intend to use the net cash proceeds to reduce debt and strengthen the balance sheet. In addition to the cash proceeds, we will retain a 30% equity ownership position in CEJV. CNH and Cabelco are subject to a three-year lockup period. To support a smooth business transition for dealers, customers, and employees, C&H will continue to collaborate closely with CEJV. CNH Capital will remain with CNH and continue to provide a full range of retail financing, leases, rental programs, and insurance projects. As a reminder, all construction-related receivables are factored to CNH Financial Services as part of our normal financial services operations, and that is expected to continue post-closing. We expect the transaction to close by the end of 2027, subject to regulatory approvals and customary closing conditions.
While we believe CNH's transformation to a leading pure-play agricultural equipment, technology, and services... This company will support progress on our path to 2030 goals. We have no changes to our 2030 targets or timeline to achieve them. With that, I'll turn it back to Garrett.
Thank you, Jim.
Let me finish with how we are thinking... ...about the balance of the year and the setup for 2027. We continue to track the macroeconomic factors affecting the ag cycle, particularly farmer profitability, commodity prices, input costs, interest rates, and credit availability. Dealer inventory normalization is progressing and the order intake pace for model year 2027 products in North America has been in line with expectations. This gives us the confidence to say that 2026... will be the trough of the cycle for the North America region. We have to be careful not to assume that certain seasonal products such as large cash crop planters or sprayers in North America speak for the entire... ...global industry demand, however. The global act cycle is actually the sum of many cycles differentiated by regions and crop production systems. While observing some green shoots, we remain disciplined in how... ...we interpret that data. Our priority is to enter 2027 with channel inventories at healthier levels and production aligned with underlying retail demand, so that we are positioned to respond appropriately as customers. Confidence and farm economics evolve. We expect agriculture dealer inventories to decline another 150 to 250 million dollars in the fourth quarter. We will maintain production discipline and stay... ...focused on aligning output with underlying demand, while preparing our manufacturing footprint and supply base for the next phase of the cycle.
At the same time, our margin improvement work in quality strategic sourcing... ...and operational efficiency continues. These actions are designed to strengthen performance through the cycle rather than depend on a market recovery. We will continue to make good use of the slow-moving markets to improve our products and operations. We will also continue our multi-brand dealership consolidation efforts across geographies where they improve coverage, dealer health, and the customer experience. We'll update our full-year scorecard on each... ...of the five pillars of our path to 2030 at our next call in February 2027.
- Q&A27:00
- Operator
This concludes our prepared remarks, and we can now start the Q&A session.
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session of the call. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 to raise your hand. Star 1 again. To allow time for as many participants as possible, please limit yourself to one question and then return to the queue for any follow-ups.
Your first question is from the line of Jamie Cook with Truist. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Truist Securities
Jamie CookAnalyst · Truist SecuritiesHi, good morning, and congrats on the news with Kobelco. I guess just the billion-dollar, you know, number out there. I mean, the implied, I think, multiples, probably eight times EBITDA, maybe nine to ten times, excluding the IEBA benefits, which was, you know, probably better than I would have thought and the market would have thought. So just any color. Behind that, is there assumed market share games or revenue synergies? And I guess just the follow up question on the any implications for, you know, stranded costs or, you know, unintended. You know, costs related to this transaction that makes us view your longer term margin targets any differently? Yep. Great, great question, Jamie.
- Management
Good morning.
- JimManagement
It's Jim. On the multiple, if you look at the observed sort of. LTM multiple based on sort of reported numbers, it's a nine times deal. Just add up each of the quarters of the CE segment, even the last four quarters, it's 114. It's about nine times. If you exclude that number. Exclude from that number, the IEPA tariffs, the IEPA tariff refunds and uses, it's a 10 times multiple. So I think it's a fair transaction for both parties, but I think for most people, they'll think of it in terms of a 10 times multiple. As it relates. It's a stranded cost matter. So we won't close on this transaction for roughly another year, right? We're going to close at the end of 27. And at that point, we'll be providing transition services to the CEJV. They'll need back office support. For a period of time. And so it's likely not to have likely not to face stranded costs until well into 2028. There will be some, of course, at that point. But we our plan is to minimize or eliminate all those by the time we get to that point. So no impact. On Remain Co. or Ag margins at that point going forward.
- Operator
The next question is from the line of David Rasso of Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Evercore ISI
David RassoAnalyst · Evercore ISIHi, thank you for the time. I'm just curious if you can maybe take us around the globe, what you're seeing in your order books. I saw the comment in the slide about North America order intake modestly positive for model year 27s versus 26s. Just want to color on that. In the fourth quarter, the implied Ag margins. It's 7.8 with all the IEPA. Without the IEPA benefits and drags, it's 8.5. How to think about that, call it 7.8 to 8.5 kind of run rate, however you want to view it, as at least a thought on how to model 27. And just one clarification, too, I noticed in the Cabelco deal, there's a three-year lockup period. What should we expect after the three years? Thank you.
- Management
Thank you, David.
Question · Evercore ISI
David RassoAnalyst · Evercore ISII take the third and the first, and Jim takes the second. Three-year lockup period, after which we have around the 30% stake that we are holding. There's a put-call construct that will allow us to eventually transfer the full ownership. Belco over time. The question about the order book and the travel around the world, I mean, starting with North America, we have seen on an increased production level year on year, we have seen... Good order intake as expected from the early order program. So we are quite satisfied with how that has been unfolding so far. And we should see that adding to a then also production... Equal retail pace benefit towards an overall step up in the region for the year ahead. But that is for us a good start. The South American market is... ...from an order coverage in line with usual trends at this point of the year. We are very very disciplined when we look at production capacity down there because we need to understand further and it will take... ...probably a quarter or two to understand how the ag market is going to through its trough in Latin America. We are at very low levels and at this point in time we don't see that to necessarily improve next year depending on... what policies will hold for our farmers in our industry there. We need to see but we are prepared and we navigate that year as we have done all the prior years. No problem. When we fly then to Australia, if you will, that is a flattish market. It's a very mature market in Australia and New Zealand. So there are no yet any green shoots of recovery.
- Management
The equipment is hitting its replacement cycle soon and we expect that to then provide some underlying demand for machines in that region, which is for us in Asia-Pacific quite a relevant market. India is always a source of pleasure and joy for us because we are gaining share with our small and compact tractors in the region. We are going to announce actually in the next couple of weeks. That's no news, but we will be there for groundbreaking ceremony of our second plant in India, allowing us to produce north of 100,000 tractors for the local market and export. We are completely sold out. In our capacity there, and that is another great momentum for us because, you know, winning in India means we have a product that can win everywhere else in the world as well. So that is quite relevant. However, India is a bit... cyclical in itself, given the emission standards that are coming and how the festival seasons are falling, etc. So the market is a million tractor market and we'll see how this will enter into 2027. But it's a small but very, very relevant part. of our business. EMEA, Europe, Africa, Middle East. If I look at Africa, Middle East, good market share, very good market share also from an order book point of view in a good place. So no points of concern there. And then Europe. It is a mixed bag, depending on where you look. I mean, we had tough harvests in some countries like in France, where the drought really hit farmers' profitability very hard, where the market for new machines is considerably...
- Management
contracting, has contracted, and it still hasn't come back, and we do not foresee that to happen next year, while you see other regions like UK, where we have seen a pretty strong equipment market this year. Offsetting some of the weaker regions in Europe. So Europe is a mixed bag. We need to watch what the outcome from the elections in Brazil then ultimately mean for the Mercosur free trade. Is it coming? How is it coming? And when? So this is obviously a concern for European farmers, particularly beef farmers. And also the situation around Ukraine remains a question mark when there is some kind of frozen conflict. Emerging, where is Ukraine going to export its crop to? Is it continues to be rather in the direction of China and Africa or is it also Western Europe, which is another concern for the European farmers? I.e. whether Ukrainian crop production will end up. So Europe is a mixed bag. As I mentioned, a couple of bigger questions around and there are elections coming in Europe as well. So we need to see. So, so far so good. Is for us at this point in the time in a good place. And we're looking at another 2027 that will have its green shoots, but also some regions like Latin America being further challenged by what we see as a weak equipment market to be.
- Management
Full of things are happening that are positive, some a little bit more negative. So on the negative side, LATAM and EMEA are a little bit pressured, as we talked about. So Q4 a little bit lowered now than what we would have expected for Q4 to have been last quarter. At the same time, North American volumes are up a bit. So that's versus what we expected. That's a help. And also Q4 pricing will come in relatively stronger versus what we've seen here today. So feeling good about pricing. Close out the year. And then, of course, the refunds, as we mentioned, it'll be a net usage of refunds in Q4. That's a bit of a drag. So that's all baked into the guidance. I would say, though, David, you can't really run rate Q4 off into the year. That's one of our best.
- Management
I would expect each quarter to be getting better than the prior year as well. We see the trough has been incurred this year, and so margins should improve each quarter next year.
- Operator
The next question is from the line of Kyle Menges of Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Citi
Kyle MengesAnalyst · CitiThanks for taking my question.
Maybe a follow-up on this, Jay. We would love to hear. Just your thoughts on what this does for the dealer network and key implications.
- Management
Thanks, Kai.
- Management
Look, it's a great step in the right direction. The construction business… Our construction business has a very competitive lineup of compact machines. And through the partnership with Kobelco, i.e. the ownership of Kobelco, 70% ownership of Kobelco, we're creating a very strong full line. Construction player that will allow a very competitive product portfolio to come to our agricultural dealers. You know, we are talking a lot about on and off board systems. I mean, in the off board world for construction. It's digital job sites. That's the equivalent. And also our farmers will need to operate these construction machines in digital layers of the off board system. And hence, there is a great deal of meeting of minds for our ag network to get. Machines that will flawlessly interplay and work side by side with our ag machines on the farms around the world. For the construction dealers, this is now a great deal of certainty after clearly. A time of ambiguity about what is the future partnership for construction and how will it look like. So this is now very clear and has a clear path forward for them and the lineup. Of machines is really, really strong. We will get together very soon with all our dealers, actually next month, and we'll go through all the products and the service that will come their way after the business has been. Carved out and transferred to the JV from 2028 onwards. So overall, a strengthening of product lineup, competitive machines, better priced and flawlessly intersecting.
- Management
With the needs of our farmers around the world when it comes to the ag applications.
- Operator
The next question is from the line of Stephen Fisher of UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · UBS
Stephen FisherAnalyst · UBSGreat. Thanks.
Good morning.
Jim, you mentioned the expectation of a similar ag business tariff of about 185 basis points in 2027. I think last quarter that was expected to be about 150 basis points. It seems like maybe the difference is. That you're making more investments now. Is that right? Is that the main change? And if so, I guess to what extent can we think about any sort of payback or return? Or incremental future benefits you would expect from those in either 27 or 28. Thank you. Yeah.
- Management
Hey, Steve, good morning.
- Management
So I would say it's not the investments that are driving. That basis point headwind higher, it's the Canadian tariffs, generally speaking. So those were not included at the last quarter call. They're not huge, but they do have an impact at the margin. So that higher basis point headwind that we shared this quarter is. Mainly due to the Canadian tariffs. As far as the investments go, it's clearing out the discontinued and age inventory, by and large, the discretionary actions we took. So those aren't, those are just going to clear the channel a bit for us. They aren't going to. generate an ROI by and of themselves. Right. So I would, I would, I would caution you to think about it that way. These are more of one time discretionary expenses that, that shouldn't repeat.
- Operator
The next question is from Tammy Zakira of JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · J.P. Morgan
Tammy ZakiraAnalyst · J.P. MorganHi, good morning.
Thank you so much.
I was wondering if you could comment on the price you're taking on model year 2027. And as for the CEJV, is the plan to keep the dealer channel as is? Because I'm guessing... Kobelco has its own dealers. So would you consider partnering with those dealers to expand the reach of your ag product lines, including Precision Ag down the line? Could that be an opportunity?
- Management
Thank you, Tammy.
- Management
We, as our ag dealers, are in profoundly different places than construction dealers. Construction dealerships are usually around cities or along motorways where basic. Construction work takes place or where machines can can be moved around quite quickly while the ag dealerships are deep in the heartlands where farming takes place. So the ag network remains. It maintains the ag network and we are not going to consider Kobelco dealers to distribute ag machines. So that's a clear we do not. We obviously will have Kobelco machines through the. The JV through a case coming back to our ag network so that but these machines will be used for farm applications only like as I mentioned like irrigation system landscaping or road building. But no. We are not going to consider Cobelco dealers to become ag distribution partners. And then on the on the list pricing, generally speaking, three, maybe three and a half percent on certain products. That's where that's where it's ending up in terms of the early order program for 2027.
- Operator
The next question is from the line of Angel Castillo of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Morgan Stanley
Angel CastilloAnalyst · Morgan StanleyHi, good morning.
Thanks for taking my question.
I just wanted to maybe go back to the comment. I think you mentioned Australia may be hitting a bit of a replacement demand soon here. I'm curious if you could speak to that, but across the other regions, I guess, how much more can farmers across these other geographies ultimately push their equipment? Anything you're seeing in terms of, you know, equipment age that would suggest, you know, even if things are tough, that could be a little bit of a bottom or a little bit of, you know, kind of recovery that could come from that. Just curious on that. And then North America just quickly as well. I know you talked about in line with your expectations for kind of early order programs for North America. Curious if you could put a little bit of a finer point on that. I think one of your competitors talked about, you know, 15 to 20% type levels and other ones talked about mid single digits. So just should we think about. about CNH is being somewhere in the middle there or anything specific to your orders that would suggest outside of that range. Thank you. Angel, Jim here. So on the early order program, yeah, we're seeing similar 15. 20-ish percent uptake, similar to what you heard from others. So we're no different there. So that's encouraging. But again, as Garrett mentioned, we can't extrapolate that for all products for the entire year. I just want to temper some enthusiasm. Yes, we're seeing the early order program orders up that much, which is potentially a bright spot.
- Management
But we wouldn't extrapolate that beyond. And then I'll hand over to Garrett for the rest of the answer.
- Garrett MarksManagement
Yeah, I can go a little. Look, you know, when I look at Latin America, Brazil in particular, they have three harvests or two and a half harvests a year. And that is a large cash crop operations. And that puts a lot of. Hours on machines. So and you compare that with a single harvest, large cash crop market like North America, you put about 2x the hours on a machine, which means you're. Park ages 2x. I mean, you have also more parts consumption and service needs, but the velocity at which the Brazilian machine park ages is roughly speaking 2x of North America. And we are tracking machine. Types like large tractors, mid or small tractors, combines, et cetera, with an average age of the fleet. And what we do see is that over the course of 2027, rather towards the end of 2027, that replacement. This cycle should provide some uplifting effects for South America. It's purely driven by then replacement cycle and the heavy usage of these equipments in a two to three harvest market. When you go to Australia, that's a largely single harvest market. And there what we see is an average age of machines across the board. And so far, there has not yet been any catalyst that should suggest that there is any demand going over and beyond the regular replacements of the farms. I mean, the farmland is constant. The size is kind of what they do. What we do produce is stable and there is a constant turnaround of equipment that we see. There should be growth coming in 28, but again, it will also depend on some other factors.
As I mentioned, there are a couple of prerequisites for the cycle to restart. The first is that the new equipment inventory levels are down to, let's say, normal levels or even slightly below. And we are there or almost there. So that's on the new. The used equipment machine levels in our dealer inventories have declined and they will continue to decline. They are also approaching healthy levels. So that factor you can consider. is in a good shape for next year or the following year in particular. The other third driver is the price differential between new and used. There was a widening a couple of years ago and that has slowed down. We are at a more or less constant gap between new and used, which means the value consumption in the lease rates or the value consumption for the farmers has become more predictable. And also here, the stabilizing factor is. Is in place. Now comes the commodity price. So we need commodity prices, not only for a few weeks and the forwards on those commodities to be, you know, to suggest that there is a sustainable operation. Margin for the farmers to make, but we need to also have an outlook at a healthy supply demand balance in light of new global trade agreements that suggest that this is there to last. So the farmer needs not only a good season, they also need an outlook. at another good season ahead. And this is currently the drag. We don't see that yet consistently helping farmers around the world to lean in on equipment.
So commodity prices is the legger here at this point. Despite some better numbers that we have seen over the course of the summer or the late summer, we need to see more of that and more consistently. Becoming also in the form of forwards. And then the support, the governmental support is not the cycle itself, but it is helpful. And here, you know, the whole package of farm. We'll need to come together soon in the United States. I'm looking forward to what's coming there and also what's South America under the newly elected new and old leader in Brazil is going to offer to the. Farmers for the seasons ahead. So with all these factors need to come together. So that is what I can tell you in terms of cycles and replacement demand. I mean, in Europe, when I look across the different countries, we have partially very different discussions. going on in Europe by country when it comes to farmers. I mean, our farms here in Europe, they are much more granular, they are smaller and they're much more constrained in cash and ability to invest. And we have very different political, you know, directions in. in the countries around Europe that give some farmers a greater confidence to reinvest, like we just have seen in the UK. And then there are countries like France, where cost of living and other, you know. issues have actually escalated to the level that we have seen now on every media channel. And we see elections coming in France next year. So France is probably rather a question mark for next year when it comes to farm equipment. I mean, which indicators.
suggests that a farmer should invest in this moment of time of ambiguity and uncertainty, while there are other regions where it seems to be more prudent to do so given the framework conditions in place. So this is really where we are. And, yeah, I think the market will show its face as we finish this and enter next year.
- Operator
The next question is from the line of Chad Dillard.
of Bernstein. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question
?Chad DillardAnalystHey, good morning, guys.
A question for you guys on South America. So how far below replacement demand? Are you in that region? And then with the the recent election in Brazil, any early color that you can, you know, give to us on how farmers are thinking about the aftermath? And then secondly, any policy proposals that you're doing for you? Yeah.
- Management
Look, I mean, when I was, I visited, I do it regularly. I visited Washington a couple of weeks ago and I had the pleasure to meet several. Ambassadors among which also the Brazilian ambassador was, I couldn't have the chance to talk to him. And she, it was right between the two elections, right? It was after the first round and then it was before the second round. And it. It was interesting to see what drove the outcome in the first round and what drove the outcome in the second round. And when I, when I then do polling around our customers, our farmers, they had expected and they had expected a different. I would say. However, we also have a great deal of farmers in South America who are supporting the current and the new administration and their political agenda and charter. So we. Say I can say that while there was a bit of a disappointment, I think where there is confidence now, at least around what's coming next, what we needed in South America was certainty, certainty and. A planability, if you will, for the farmers. And now we have Lula and with Lula, there will be there will be decisions coming. There will be support coming for the farmers. It will come in a different shape and form and it would have come under Bolsonaro, but in the end it is going to be predictable. And it will be supportive. And now we are awaiting that to show as the new government settles in and starts their work.
- Management
I mean, obviously the person of the new Minister of Agriculture will be a key person in this. This new upcoming administration in Brazil. So that's, I can tell you, it was a bit of a disappointment, but nevertheless now, I mean, you know, farmers are hit by bad weather and they know how to deal with surprises. Okay. It was a surprise and they know how to deal with it and they will find the way forward, no doubt. I mean, I think they are more worried about the El Nino coming now and hitting hard, probably some regions with droughts and some others with too much water, too much rain. I think that surprise about the outcome of the election will be soon forgotten. And it's more about the new surprises and the challenges coming from El Nino. But that is what I can tell you about the outcome of the elections. Well, the replacement demand. We think that according to our analysis, when you take a look at combines, for example, combines is a big profit pool for the industry. And we believe that the average fleet. Age of combines in the Brazilian market is somewhere trading still a year about above historical averages. There was a big peak of combine sales in the year. 2022. And that dragged also into 2023 in South America, which made the fleet of combines a very, very young one. And that had to now be consumed over the over the seasons in 2015. Four, five and six, approximating the average historic age of combines then over the course of next year.
- Management
Hence, that's why I am. We're following these statistics for all product classes, by the way. And in this particular case of combines, that suggests that replacement demand should kick in and restart a positive momentum with combines in 2028, not in 2027 yet.
- Operator
The final question comes from the line of Daniela Costa of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Goldman Sachs
Daniela CostaAnalyst · Goldman SachsHi, good afternoon.
I actually wanted to follow up on these comments on South America.
- Management
Thank you for explaining the path of the cyclical recovery there. But you also did the $156 million of valuation allowance there. Was there anything that changed in your medium term? Perspective of like how profitability in the Brazilian market fundamentally is and does it have any relation to what you're seeing into delinquencies, if you could maybe address that. And finally, also, how should we think about the... optimal net leverage after the transaction? Yeah. Hey, Danielle, Jim Nicholas here. So I would view the...when we close on the seed business and get those proceeds, it'll be... Post-tax, I'd say it's a credit-neutral event in terms of debt-to-EBITDA leverage. It should be pretty roughly neutral impact there. Back to Latin America, we're seeing 2027 is still a transition year. It's not the beginning of the up. Turn in Latin America, Brazil in particular. So that's one thing. That's the element of Brazil on the ag business that we don't see an upturn. Separately from that, though, I mean, the credit condition.
- Management
In Brazil was just because the passage of time. We've had elevated delinquencies for a couple of years now in Brazil and accounting rules dictate that you sort of need to book a valuation allowance at that point. Nothing has changed in the marketplace to trigger that. It was more of a passage of time. A certain number of periods had passed, which triggered the need for the valuation allowance. I will say it's still a watch point for us. Delinquencies are still. Something we'll be working through, I think, through 2027. So as it turns out, 28 is probably the right year where the ag market picks back up in Brazil. And it's also the year where the delinquencies are coming back. with what we think is historically normal.
- Operator
This concludes the question and answer session. I will now turn the call back to Garrett Marks. Thank you. I would like to thank you all for joining us.
- Garrett MarksManagement
joining the call today. This is an exciting time for CNH. We have a lot of work ahead of us, but we are energized by how we are building a better agriculture and a better construction business to serve our customers with the best products. We appreciate your interest in CNH and look. forward to speaking with you again next quarter.
- Operator
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- Operator
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