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APEI earnings call transcript, November 9, 2026

American Public Education earnings call

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  • Management 31%
  • Angela Selden 25%
  • Gary 9%
  • Jack Landry 7%
  • Angie 7%

Management

  • Angela Selden

    President and CEO

    11 min

  • Gary

    Management

    4 min

  • Jack Landry

    Investor Relations

    3 min

  • Angie

    Management

    3 min

  • Edward Codispoti

    Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, APEI

    1 min

  • Caleb

    Management

    1 min

Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.

  1. Prepared remarks0:02
  2. CalebManagement

    My name is Caleb and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the APEI third quarter 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn the call over to Jack Landry, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

  3. Jack LandryInvestor Relations

    Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to American Public Education's conference call. We'll discuss third quarter 2026 results. Joining me on the call today are Angela Seldin, President and Chief Executive Officer of APEI and Chancellor of the American Public University System, Edward Cotaspodi, Executive. Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Gary Janssen, Chief Strategy and Growth Officer. Materials for today's call, which is being webcast and is open to the public, are available in the events and presentation section of APEI's website. Statement made state. Statements made during this call and in the accompanying presentation regarding APEI and its subsidiaries that are not historical facts may be forward-looking statements that are based on management's current expectations, assumptions, estimates and projections, forward-looking statements. are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements, including risks related to potential impacts from changing federal or state government policies, laws, practices and actions. including impacts on revenues or the timing and other factors identified in our form 10K and form 10Q under the heading risk factors and other SEC filings forward looking statements. may sometimes be identified by words like believe, estimate, expect, may, plan, potentially, project, target, outlook, path, position, on track, on pace, should, will, would, and...

  4. Similar or opposite words. Forward-looking statements include without limitation statements regarding expected operational efficiencies and synergies. Technology platform implementations such as our student life cycle platform, marketing efficiency initiatives and their... ...expective benefits, expectations regarding the resilience of our programs to market or technological disruption, expectations for registration and enrollments, revenue, earnings, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin and other... ...earnings, guidance, our foundation for growth and our current and future growth initiatives, strategic investments, capital allocation, share repurchases and M&A opportunities, operational milestones and timelines, the completed institutional combination... ...potential changes to military tuition assistance programs, government, governmental and regulatory actions, their impact and our response to those actions, changing market demands and our ability to satisfy such demands and other company initiatives. The call and the presentation contain references to non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin and excess cash and short-term investments over debt. A reconciliation between each non-GAAP financial measure we use in the most directly... ...comparable GAAP measure is located in the appendix to today's presentation and in the earnings release. Management believes that the presentation of non-GAAP financial information provides useful supplemental information to investors regarding its results of operations and should only be considered in addition...

  5. Operator

    to and not as a substitute for or superior to any measure of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. I'd now like to turn the call over to APEI's president and CEO, Angela Selden. Angie, please go ahead.

  6. Angela SeldenPresident and CEO

    Thank you, Jack. Good afternoon, and thank you very much for joining American Public Education, Inc.'s third quarter 2026 results call today. I'm very pleased to report that we exceeded our guidance on revenue, net income available to common stockholders, adjusted EBITDA, and diluted earnings per share. This is a continued result of the strong moat we've built in our military plus division where active duty enrollment is rebounding, enrollment in veterans and families continues to see double-digit growth, and the overall student value proposition of no out-of-pocket cost for undergraduate active duty military and a strong return on educational investment for veterans and families continues. We've also built a strong boat in health plus where our campus nursing and online health revenue continues to grow at double digits with enrollment growth and modest price increases as the tailwinds for health professionals continue to drive student demands for our education in the markets we serve. Here are the headlines. Military Plus net course registrations grew 3.8% to approximately 103,800 above our guidance range. Health Plus revenue grew approximately 9% with the mix shifting to campus nursing with low teens growth driving performance. We're also pleased with the strong mid-teens revenue growth in the quarter for online health care. Total revenue was muted by Online Plus non-health care revenue growth in low single digits. Total APEI revenue grew 3.6%

  7. year-over-year to 169.1 million above the high end of our guidance range of 164.5 million to 167 million. This does not include the approximate six million dollars of military plus revenue that shifted into the fourth quarter due to registration timing as we previewed on our last earnings call. Net income available to common staff shareholders grew 6% to 5.9 million and diluted earnings per share grew 6.7% to 32 cents, both above the high end of our guidance ranges. with 17.5 million, exceeding the high end of our guidance range of 14 million to 17 million. As we anticipated when we provided guidance, adjusted EBITDA and margins were below the price. the entire year, reflecting an increase in selling and promotion expenses that supported registration and enrollment growth, along with several non-recurring events, including the revenue timing shift and the marketing optimization investments we outlined last. Further, we experienced an increase in bad debt, primarily as a result of delays in Title IV disbursements following the institutional combination. We also believe that this is a temporary matter. We also more than doubled our pace of our share repurchases in the quarter. Finally, the third quarter was the beginning of our operating as a single Higher Learning Commission accredited institution. The American Public University System. As a reminder, this combination allows us to simplify our operations, to expand our healthcare platform, to enhance academic choice for students and operations.

  8. opportunities for faculty, to strengthen our financial position, and to improve our regulatory compliance and risk management. Turning our attention to full year 2026, we are raising full year guidance on revenue, net income available to common stockholders, adjusted EBITDA, and diluted EPS, reflecting the momentum of the business and our strategy. This is driven by the growth in our military. Plus division, where our midpoint guidance reflects approximately 25% net course registration growth in Q4, a strong performance as compared to last year's partial Q4 government. This also reflects continued growth in our campus and online health revenue and mixed shift. With those headlines, I'll provide additional details on our two segments and give you an update on the work we committed to last quarter. Marketing optimization, institutional combination synergies, and our student lifecycle platform, which we are implementing in collaboration with Salesforce. I'll then turn it over. to Ed Codispoti, APEI CFO, for more details on financial results and comments. So, let's start with HealthPlus. Overall, HealthPlus revenue grew 9% to 86% of 6.4 million dollars, driven by a mixed shift to campus nursing, which increased low double-digit rates and which reflects our continued success in executing our fill the back row strategy, along with a modest tuition increase in the second half of 2025. Our new Orlando campus continues to track ahead of initial expectations, including our recent introduction of an evening LPN program.

  9. Our second Detroit campus is now facing a one-quarter delay in opening, an unexpected result of our accreditor change due to the combination. Hondros' former accreditor, Abhes, had approved the new location prior. Now, HLC, our new accreditor, requires its own separate approval, and this process is currently underway. Fort Lauderdale remains on pace to open in Q4, 2027. And overall, we remain on track with our Trailblazer initiative to open two new smaller footprint campuses each year for the next four years. As a reminder, opening these smaller footprint campuses give us continued growth over the next five years. By successfully executing on our fill the back row strategy with our existing campuses, these new campuses will also allow us to create revenue momentum and margin expansion as we expect each to reach cash flow break even in 18 months and full utilization in four to five years now turning to military plus our military plus net course registrations grew 3.8% to approximately 103,800 above our guidance range of 101 to 103 military plus revenue of 82.7 million dollars with flat year-over-year affected by approximately six million dollars in registration revenue that shifted into the fourth quarter as we discussed during our last earnings call. Our military and military-affiliated learners remain the engine of this segment. Veteran and military family registrations grew at double-digit rates.

  10. And active-duty registrations returned to growth led by the Army. As a reminder, our full-year guidance does not assume a resolution to the Middle East conflict. With our continued strength in the Army enrollment, the branch from which the largest number of our students come, a resolution to the conflict can support additional growth. As we turn our attention to marketing, last quarter we shared that we had launched an end-to-end evaluation. of marketing efficiency and effectiveness across all student segments and channels with a third party. We are implementing recommendations around organizational efficiency, marketing spend-ships, overall marketing options. and expect to see continued improvements into 1H27 and beyond. In the third quarter, selling and promotion expense was 24.7% of revenue as compared with 22% of revenue. 2.1% in the prior year period and general and administration expense increased due to the investments to optimize our marketing process and organization. We made these investments intentionally and the increased costs were taken into account in our guidance. Our results, including these increased costs exceeded that guidance. Now let's turn our attention to the combination synergies and the student lifecycle platform. We'd like to share more about the cost synergies resulting from our institutional combination. I want to highlight three buckets. First is the integration of Rasmussen University and Hondros College of Nursing, where we have a target of

  11. $5 million of recurring cost synergies in 2027 and beyond, including campus and academic operational synergies and cost savings from consolidated buying of books, materials, and from other contracts. These savings are included in our already published four-year plan. Second, the cost synergies between Health Plus and Military Plus have a target of $9 million in recurring savings. In 2028 and beyond, primarily from productivity gains in admissions, financial aid, leadership, and other academic shared services. These savings are also included in our already published four-year plan. We continue to evaluate our revenue synergies in two categories. The opportunity for Hondros students to enroll in Rapson nursing and online programs and revenue synergies from our student lifecycle platform implementation. Our implementation of SLP with Salesforce remains on track for its initial go live with our health plus segment in early 2027. Begin with student support and admissions. As a reminder, the implementation costs have already been included in our previously stated four year plan. The anticipated benefits, including improved retention, better student services. and lower cost to serve represent an incremental upside to the already published four year plan. We will quantify the benefits of this upside on a future call. With that, I'll turn the. call over to Ed to discuss our third quarter financial results, capital allocation, and our outlook in more detail.

  12. Management

    Thank you, Angie.

  13. Management

    I'll begin with our third quarter results, then review our balance sheet and cash flow, provide an update on capital. Location and share repurchases and conclude with our outlook for the fourth quarter and full year 2026. Total revenue in the third quarter was $169.1 million compared to 100. $63.2 million in the prior year period, an increase of $5.9 million or 3.6%. Excluding $800,000 of Graduate School USA revenue in the prior year period. Revenue would have grown 4.2%. As we discussed on our last call, because Military Plus revenue was recognized rateably over the period of enrollment, the September 7th start date shifted approximately $6 million of revenue and approximately... $4 million of adjusted EBITDA from the third quarter into the fourth quarter. Now let's break down revenue by segment. At Military Plus, third quarter revenue was $82.7 million compared to $83.1 million in the... prior year period, a decrease of half a percent, reflecting the revenue timing shift. Military Plus segment income from operations was $21.4 million compared with $25.3 million in the third quarter of 2025. And segment EBITDA margin was 27% compared to 32%, reflecting the revenue timing shift and increased selling and promotional expenses. Net course registrations were approximately 103,800 compared to approximately 100,000 in the third quarter of 2025. At HealthPlus, third quarter revenue was $86.4 million compared to

  14. Management

    30,000 in the third quarter of 2021. $79.3 million in the prior year period, representing 9% growth. The segment reported a loss from operations of $1.9 million compared to a loss of $2.1 million in the prior year period as the benefit from enrollment growth. It was partially offset by investment in advertising and bad debt expense partly driven by delays in Title IV disbursements following the institutional combination. We expect the delays in Title IV disbursements to be... ...temporary. Turning now to expenses and profitability, instructional costs and services were $74.9 million, essentially flat year-over-year, improving to 44.3% of revenue. ...from 45.8%, which reflects the operating leverage in our model. Selling and promotional expenses were $41.8 million, or 24.7% of revenue, compared to $36.1 million, or... ...22.1% of revenue in the prior year period. General and administrative expenses were $39.3 million, compared to $34.7 million, primarily driven by increase... ...in bad debt expense, and professional service costs related to investments in marketing optimization. Third quarter net income available to common stockholders was $5.9 million, or $0.32 per diluted share, compared to... ...$6 million, or $0.30 per diluted share, in the prior year period. Net interest income was half a million dollars, compared to net interest expense of $1.1 million in the prior year period.

  15. Management

    Reflecting our stronger cash and short-term investment position, and lower debt and borrowing rates. Third quarter adjusted EBITDA was $17.5 million, above the high end of our guide. ...range compared to $20.7 million in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.4% compared to 12.7%. The year-over-year decline was expected and reflected in our guide. On a trailing 12-month basis, adjusted EBITDA was $96.1 million and adjusted EBITDA margin was 14.3% up from 13.5% a year ago. Turning now to our balance sheet and cash flow. As of September 30, 2026, our cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash, and short-term investments totaled $216.4 million compared to $116.4 million compared to $116.4 million. $176.5 million at December 31, 2025, an increase of $39.9 million or 22.6%. Outstanding debt was $87.8 million. And we had excess cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash, and short-term investments over debt outstanding of $128.7 million. We also have $40 million of available capacity under our revolving credit facility. Year-to-day cash flows from operations were $87.3 million, up 18.7% year-over-year. Third quarter operating cash flow was $11.8 million, compared to $21.7 million in the previous year. Prior year period, including because of delays in Title IV disbursements following the institutional combination. Turning to capital allocation. Our capital allocation framework is deliberate and dis-

  16. Management

    We evaluate alternative uses of capital, including organic growth, new campuses, technology, M&A, and share repurchases against hurdle rates that we set for each use. Our first . . . priority remains investing in organic growth, including our Trailblazer campuses and the student lifecycle platform, both of which are funded within our four-year plan. Management and our board are also very focused on share report . . . share repurchases as an important component of our capital allocation strategy. At the same time, our cash generation allows us to return capital to shareholders. In the third quarter, we repurchased 186 . . . . 274,232 shares for approximately $9 million, more than double the amount we repurchased in the second quarter. Year-to-date, we have repurchased 274,237 shares for approximately $14 million under the $50 million . . . program our board authorized in March. Accordingly, we have approximately $36 million remaining under the authorization. As a result of our share repurchases so far this year, our weighted average diluted share . . . share count declined to $18.7 million in the third quarter compared to $18.8 million in the prior year period. I'll now discuss our outlooks. Based on our third quarter results and our visibility into the fourth quarter . . . we are raising four-year guidance on revenue, net income available to common stockholders, adjusted EBITDA, and diluted EPS. For the full year 2026, our updated guidance is as follows. Revenue . . .

  17. Management

    of $695 million to $701 million, compared with our prior range of $690 million to $698 million. Net income available to common stockholders of $48.5 million to $53 million. compared with our prior range of $46.5 million to $52.5 million. Adjusted EBITDA of $98 million to $105 million, compared with our prior range. of $96 million to $104 million. Diluted EPS of $2.59 to $2.84, compared with our prior range of $2.48 to $2.48. And we lowered our full year capital expenditure guidance to $23 million to $26 million from $25 million to $28 million. For the fourth quarter of 2026. Guided says as follows. Revenue of $179.4 million to $185.4 million. Net income available to common stockholders of $15.2 million to $19.8 million. Adjusted EBITDA of $30.6 million to $37.6 million. And diluted EPS of $0.81 to $1.07. This assumes military plus net registrations of $100,000 to $105,000. Up 21.7% to 27.7% year over year. And health plus enrollment of approximately $20,100. Up approximately 1% year over year. As a reminder, our fourth quarter includes the approximately $6 million revenue shifted from the third quarter and the prior year fourth quarter was impacted by the federal government shutdown. We remain committed to executing on the long-term strategy we laid out at Investor Day. With that, I'll turn it back to Angie for closing remarks.

  18. AngieManagement

    Thank you, Ed.

  19. In closing, our first part of the presentation is going to be the first part of the presentation. Partial quarter as a single combined institution was a very strong one. We exceeded guidance on every key metric, our core military-affiliated and campus nursing programs continue to grow, and we stepped up. the return of capital to shareholders. Subsequent to quarter end, we welcomed Shira Goodman to the API board, effective October 27th. Shira brings 26 years of leadership experience at Staples, including serving as CEO, along with extensive corporate board experience. APEI appointed her as a replacement for James Kenningsberg, who stepped down from the board to become APEI's Chief Innovation and Technology Officer. We look forward to leveraging Shira's expertise in strategic growth and organizational transformation as we advance our mission and expand education. Our organization is purpose-built to deliver affordable and accessible education in fields that are in high demand and require human judgment. Nursing and healthcare where care is delivered at the bedside and military service, which remains critical to our U.S. national defense strategy and is often delivered on the battlefield. We believe this positions APEI with differentiated offerings and meaningful moats for the foreseeable future. At our November 2025 Investor Day, we laid out a multi-year framework targeting organic and inorganic revenue of 892 million.

  20. to $1 billion by 2029 and adjusted EBITDA margins of 20 to 21%. That framework is intact. The institutional combination is complete. Our trailblazer schedule is largely on track. The student life cycle platform is on track for its initial go live with our health plus segment in early 2027 and our balance sheet remains very strong. Before we move to questions. I want to thank our investors, analysts and the APEI team for the dialogue and engagement over the past quarter. We remain committed to providing you with clear insights into our performance. Our strategic initiatives and the long-term value creation opportunities ahead of us.

  21. Q&A27:33
  22. AngieManagement

    With that, I would now like to hand the call back to the operator to begin our question and answer session.

  23. Operator

    We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one. Again, we ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. This question comes from the line of Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

  24. Question · Lake Street

    Congrats on the strong quarter and the healthy outlook for Q4. I wanted to ask about just the kind of the rising inflationary environment. I know for you all it can come in the form of rising faculty costs and clinical placement costs. You've obviously raised your profit outlook for the year so it seems like you're managing it but can you go a layer deeper on how inflation is impacting your business?

  25. Management

    Thanks for the question Eric.

  26. AngieManagement

    This is Angie. I'll start and then I'll turn it over to Ed. So you're right by virtue of our raising guidance for the full year we have been able to very effectively manage through the inflationary costs and some of the categories that you outlined certainly.

  27. Edward CodispotiExecutive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, APEI

    are among those that we manage. I would say I would add to that list certainly our employee compensation and in particular health care benefits which we do think you know will rise again. in 2027 and we've been working very hard to offset mitigate the impact to our employees. Overall, our technology strategy is really focused on operational optimization and being able to do more. And so as we roll out the student lifecycle platform enabled by the AI capabilities inside Salesforce, we see that as a great way to mitigate those inflationary costs. Let me turn it over to Ed or Gary.

  28. GaryManagement

    Gary has something. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, you know, it's kind of been our historical efforts at the military plus side of things to find ways to optimize the business there. That in that in that. segment of the business, we consistently look at how do we improve operating efficiencies to allow for those inflationary costs to get absorbed within their business model and maintain the operating margin. So there's nothing new there. And on the health plus side, we have historically. Use price on a regular basis, you know, small inflationary increases to offset any inflationary costs. I think that's the theme, right? We have some pockets of the business where we have seen the inflation, but overall, you know, when you look at. The overall business, the efficiencies that we're investing in have have been able to mitigate those those increase and even in some cases, you know, leverage additional profitability.

  29. Okay, and then if I could on the, I was curious on the bad debt expense. Is this a situation where because there's a delay, there's an expectation that there could be bad debt or is this we're already kind of reserving for it and we're expecting it? Just these are estimates, right? And so what we're seeing is that we have these delays as a result of primarily as a result of the combination and And so you try to estimate the fact that some of those students, if they cannot be processed quickly enough, would fall under some sort of payment plan. And then along with that, you have the associate bad debt expense that would go along with that. But we we there's a lot of focus on our end to number one, expedite the processing and number two, you know, put a lot of pressure on on collections so that we don't we don't have that. That that that that expense materialized. I mean, the main the main cause of this, of course, was the Department of Ed's challenges in in basic. We're basically setting up financial aid in the combined entity for one of our divisions. And so that is what has delayed this. So we're working in partnership with them. They have worked tirelessly to help resolve these issues. Our students. are fully covered so they have been communicated to you know to each that they have financial aid eligibility. So it's really just a matter of getting the getting the packaging and the rest of the processes come completed Gary. I was just going to say.

  30. Those system challenges occurred and have been resolved. It's just the length of time that it took to get them resolved or is what's caused delay in processing and the incremental assessment on that debt. So we hope to. To deliver, you know, a better number at the end of Q4, but this is the number that we think is probably a worst case scenario.

  31. Operator

    Your next question.

  32. comes from the line of Griffin Boss with B Riley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

  33. Hi, good afternoon.

  34. Thanks for taking my question.

  35. Appreciate it. Great to see the strong results. And I just wanted to. Tone in on the price increases, the modest price increases you mentioned, Angie. Just curious if there's any more color you can give on your pricing plans for 2027, if there's anticipated ongoing price increases. Beyond this year. And then, you know, kind of the tolerance for any sort of future price increases, just kind of taking into account, you know, affordability pressures and whatnot. Sure.

  36. Thanks for the question, Griffin.

  37. So we'll start with Military Plus. As you know, our active duty, we, for undergraduate students, really have held true to our value proposition of no out-of-pocket costs. And so the $2.50 per credit hour dictates the price we charge for undergraduate active duty military. We have, at times, passed through a small expense increase for the other categories, for veterans and for families. We anticipate a very small process. Price increase in 2027 for those categories. And then if you turn your attention to health plus, we had communicated in the November 2025. For your strategic plan meeting that we discussed, we did signal that we would do an every other year price increase for the programs in our health plus division.

  38. Okay, got it. That's great, Keller.

  39. Thank you, Angie.

  40. I appreciate it. I'll hop back in the queue.

  41. Operator

    Your next question comes from the line of Luke Horton with Northland Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

  42. Question · Northland Capital Markets

    Hey, thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the quarter. I did just want to touch on the military plus side, just with a little bit of margin compression here in the quarter. Was that purely due to the I think $6 million of revenue pushed into 4Q, or were there any sort of increased costs on the marketing side? I know that's largely, largely referral based, but just given the the conflict in the Middle East. Just wondering your thoughts there. I think, yep, to your point, Luca, most of that is from the shift of the $6 million into Q4, of which the EBITDA was about $4 million. That's the main driver. Gary, do you agree with that? Yeah, I was going to say the margins in that business stay pretty consistent over time. That shift was a one-time anomaly. Okay, got it. And then just from a regulatory perspective, kind of given the recent election results here, is there any update on that potential increase in per credit hour funding on the active duty military side and then anything else that sort of came out of the election results that you guys are watching closely? Yeah, great question, Luke. And of course, you know, I think the entire world is turning its attention to watching what's going to happen as a result of the election. I'll start by saying that the NDAA that was passed in the House and, you know, was awaiting pass in the Senate now you know, is sitting having to be reconsidered as a result of the new election. Our government relations team says that there's a strong belief that that there's support for the

  43. Management

    passing of an NDAA, but perhaps not at the level of the original one. That has nothing to do with the raise of the per credit hour. That was discussed, just a general philosophy around how much they would like to see in the total NDAA. What I will say is that, you know, we have been working. And monitoring carefully with our government relations team the progress on that policy of potentially increasing the reimbursement rate. We understand that the Department of War continues to evaluate changes to tuition assistance. We see that they could really support and implement reimbursement levels. For programs at different classifications, we have no information at this time about whether they're going to make any changes and what the changes could look like. Difficult for us to speculate on whether or not any of the changes that were previously discussed in the past congressional session are going to be implemented and if it could have a beneficial or you know even a detrimental effect on us.

  44. Operator

    Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Sheldon with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

  45. Question · William Blair

    Hey, thanks for taking my questions. First one here just on the military plus side. It seemed like I looked at the fourth quarter guidance. It's a slightly wider guidance range than we typically see. So just curious if there's anything in the business that's creating more potential variability in outcomes or if that is mainly just uncertainty around the ongoing conflict in the Middle East and how continued deployments could impact enrollment. No, I mean, I think the the high into the guidance on the registration side, as well as the revenue, which is implied in the overall guide, indicates that we feel pretty good, but we still have one month left in the start cycle. So we just increased the range, but I do think, as Angie said, we're seeing some rebounding in specific segments that gives us confidence. So we just have to see one more month. I think that we feel good about the prospects at Military Plus. the registration guidance and the corresponding revenue that goes along with that. So nothing unusual about the wider guidance. It is different than what we've done in the past, though. You're correct. Got it. And then as a follow up, just on the Detroit delayed. Opening for the second campus on the nursing side. Can you just give us a refresh on potential timing for that launch now? And I know you still need, I think, the HLT accreditation, but and then just generally sounds like campus expansions have been going tracking along your plans.

  46. Management

    So I guess, do you, do you still think two new campuses per year is the appropriate cadence or is you build out the organizational muscle? I guess the campus expansion muscle could make sense eventually to move even quicker at some point. Yeah. So let me start with your first question. So, yeah, we were, unfortunately, we were surprised by the fact that even though ABHAS, which was Hondros' accreditor, pre-combination. Had already approved the location that HLC needed to go through its own process steps to approve the location. So it was an unexpected one quarter delay. So now enrollment for that new Detroit 2 campus. We anticipate will, students will start being educated in Q2 of 27 instead of Q1 of 27. And so then as it relates to the momentum around Trailblazer, I'll turn it over to Gary who leaves that up.

  47. GaryManagement

    Yeah, I think we're still focused on two new campuses per year right now. I think, you know, things may change as we continue to evaluate the market and opportunities. We've identified those locations. We are not disclosing them until we have all the plans in place and I's dotted and T's crossed. But I think right now we're at two campuses. If we feel good after the next two material launches, and again, this is the first campus. for Rasmussen in several years will be their opening of the South Florida, Fort Lauderdale location. So that's the area we have to make sure is that we have the good muscle memory around opening those campuses. But certainly we could. Deploy additional capital and out years, you know, call it late 20. We'd love to be able to do that.

  48. Operator

    Your next question comes from the line of Jasper Bibb with Truist Securities.

  49. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

  50. Question · Truist Securities

    Hey, good afternoon, everyone.

  51. Thanks for all the detail on the prepared remarks and congratulations on closing the combination. I just wanted to ask about health plus. It seems like kind of decelerating a little bit from an enrollment growth perspective in the fourth quarter guide. Just maybe give a little bit of color on what's going on there and it would be helpful if you could maybe break out between the ground and all. online pieces of the business, because I know those have been a little bit different, at least last quarter. Yeah, I mean, it's a really good question. So I think, as Angie mentioned, that we saw some weakness in the online portion of the business. The ground is very, is exactly where we'd expect it to be. I think in Q3, we're around, call it 7%, and Q4 is at the same rate with the inflationary increases that we discussed. That's right on our long-term growth plan. Again, we saw . really strong numbers in Q3 on the online health programs, and we still think that's a good upmarket forest area. We're still trying to figure out, and before we invest heavily behind that, we're looking at different ways. to go after is the online plus, which is really non-healthcare programs, the more undifferentiated pieces of the business, and I would say that's where all the weakness in what we're seeing is coming from. So from the health standpoint, we're really pleased with how it's progressing with the non-health portion, which is, again, a small percentage of the business, but it is drawing, it is driving down the overall enrollment headline number. That piece of the business, we're still trying to, you know.

  52. Management

    work on the marketing piece of that, as well as trying to figure out how we can create some differentiation there. Two things I'll add, Jasper, one, and I think we've shared this in a previous earnings call, you know, an enrolled student in a campus is going to generate 2x the revenue of an enrolled student online, either in health or non-health. So certainly you can see when we talk about mixed shift, the fact that our campuses are growing at low to mid double digits really allows us to demonstrate the power of that mixed shift to 2x revenue for each additional student. and as we discussed in our um in our investor day last year we had not planned for our what we call our o plus or our online plus which is the non-healthcare online to grow we had just planned for it to remain flat um we are seeing slight declines there right now which is pulling down the overall um health plus performance um but we're you know we're continuing to invest behind the campuses and are on line health which is uh really seeing great momentum thanks no all that makes sense I I apologize if you've given this number before but um have you shared the uh percentage of of health plus enrollment that's in these kind of online plus programs I think that would just be helpful context to understand you know at what point uh that kind of good things you're seeing in the majority of that business start to kind of like offset

  53. Management

    some of the kind of online plus trends in your reported enrollment numbers for the segment overall. yeah so we um if you remember there was a stacked bar chart in the um you know in the investor day that showed that was an enrollment. based chart so really uh less than 15 percent of our revenue and enrollment is coming from o plus and obviously as the other two pieces grow that that as a percentage of the total is going to continue to shrink.

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  55. This concludes today's call.

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