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ALT Q3 2026 earnings call transcript, November 12, 2026

Altimmune Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call

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  • Management 37%
  • Christophe Arbet-Engels 17%
  • Jerry 9%
  • Linda Richardson 8%
  • Joseph 0%

Management

  • Christophe Arbet-Engels

    Chief Medical Officer

    9 min

  • Jerry

    Management

    5 min

  • Linda Richardson

    Chief Commercial Officer

    4 min

  • Joseph

    Management

    <1 min

Analysts · 7

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  1. Prepared remarks1:27
  2. Operator

    At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

  3. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I'll now introduce your host for today's conference call. Luis Tenet, Vice President of Investor Relations. Luis, you may begin.

  4. Management

    Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone.

  5. Management

    Thank you for joining us for Altamion's third quarter 2026 financial results and business update call. On today's call, you will hear from Jerry Derso, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Christoph Arvid-Engels, Chief Medical Officer, Linda Richardson, Chief Commercial Officer,

  6. Management

    and Greg Weber, Chief Financial Officer. Following management's prepared remarks, we'll open the line for questions. Our third quarter 2026 earnings release was issued this morning and can be found on the investor relations section of our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that remarks made about future expectations, plans, and prospects constitute forward-looking statements for purposes of safe harbor provisions under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Altamune cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. For a review of the risk factors that could affect the company's future results and operations, we refer you to our SEC filings. I also direct you to read the forward-looking statements disclaimer in our press release issued this morning. Any statements made on this call speak only as of today's date, November 12, 2026, and the company does not undertake any obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements to reflect the events or circumstances that occur on or after today's date. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for audio replay on our website. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jerry.

  7. JerryManagement

    Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We entered the final months of the year with strong confidence in Pemvidutide and the strategy we're laser-focused on executing. Over the course of this year, we significantly advanced our programs across the board in MASH, AUD, and ALD, further strengthening our belief that Pemvidutide's differentiated clinical profile can support a broad liver franchise with multiple indications. in serious liver diseases. We're now focused on carrying that momentum forward through disciplined execution. We continue to see a growing understanding and scientific support for the potential therapeutic role of Pemvi and its ability to provide meaningful benefit to people affected by serious liver diseases. Our conviction in Pemvidutide is stronger than ever, coming out of ASLD's The Liver Meeting, where the data presented further validates the potential of Pemvidutide and our overall development. MASH data presented at several podium talks at the meeting reinforced the potential of the dual glucagon GLP-1 mechanism in MASH and underscored the differentiation of Pemvidutide. We presented new NIT data from our 48-week impact study that highlighted the strong antifibrotic activity of Pemvi that continues to compare favorably to data across other trials. We believe Pemvidutide's balanced one-to-one glucagon to GLP-1 ratio when coupled with our proprietary U-port domain matters and results in a molecule that balances metabolic and liver-directed activity with generally favorable tolerability. Despite new products entering the MASH field and others in various stages of development, there remains a significant unmet need for patients, and we believe that Pemvidutide could represent a well-differentiated MASH therapy. We see a major

  8. Pemvidutide could represent a well-differentiated MASH therapy. We see commercial opportunity across the indications we're targeting as we build our liver franchise. In addition to the unmet need in MASH, we view AUD and ALD as part of a patient continuum as AUD patients often progress to liver impairment. In fact, data referenced at the liver meeting estimates that 55 to 94% of ALD patients also meet the criteria for AUD. The reclaimed data highlighted that Pemvidutide has the potential to help address both alcohol consumption and the liver damage that can result from it. Finally, one of the recurring themes at the liver meeting was about the overlap of MASH and alcohol use. We believe Pemvidutide's differentiated profile positions it well across a multitude of patients. Moving now on to execution, which is a critical focus for Ultimune. First, our global PERFORMA phase 3 trial is ran ramping up, and we're very encouraged by the progress to date. Clinical trial sites continue to come online according to our plan, and we're actively enrolling patients. The engagement we see from the PERFORMA investigators and the broader MASH community is strong. This excitement was quite evident at the liver meeting, and Christoph will touch on the positive feedback and engagement from KOLs on PERFORMA and Pemvidutide overall. We're also pleased that the impact Phase 2B 48-week efficacy and safety data was published in The Lancet this week. In AUD, the positive reclaimed Phase 2 data were highlighted in a late-breaking oral presentation. We believe this is the most robust AUD data presented to date. The strong results we saw significantly de-risked this program. Importantly, our end of Phase 2 meeting with the FDA is scheduled for next month, representing a key step towards advancing Pemvidutide

  9. and AUD. We look forward to engaging with the agency and continuing our progress of Pembi in this indication. As part of our continued evolution as a late-stage biotech company, we're also thrilled to recently have added Peter Greenleaf and Alex Harworth to our board of directors. Peter and Alex are accomplished industry leaders that bring a breadth of experience across drug development, commercialization, and corporate development. Their experience and strategic perspectives will be valuable to Altimmune as we continue to advance. So in summary, we're committed to executing our strategy with speed and efficiency reflected in the significant progress we've made across the Pembidutide franchise this year. We're laser-focused on delivering on our goals of bringing a differentiated therapy in Pembid to patients and creating value for our shareholders. Our conviction in Pembidutide is stronger than ever, and we look forward to sharing our continued progress. I'll now turn the call over to Christophe for a clinical update.

  10. Christophe Arbet-EngelsChief Medical Officer

    Thank you, Jerry.

  11. I'd like to start by just stating that I am very pleased with the significant progress we are making as we advance our clinical programs across MASH, AUD, and ALD. Beginning with MASH, the global performance free trial is underway and progressing as planned. We are screening and dosing patients and clinical site activation continues across the program as we build towards broader global enrollment. We have the majority of planned U.S. sites now active and recruiting patients and we expect to activate the ex-U.S. sites over the coming months. We will continue to work closely with our CRO partner to support efficient trial execution and enrollment. Overall, we remain encouraged by the enthusiasm and engagements we are seeing from investigators and clinical sites for PERFORMA based on the product profile and the efficient trial design. As a reminder, we anticipated the PERFORMA 52-week data readout in 2029. ALT Immune had a strong presence at the recent liver meeting in Denver where we had the opportunity to highlight the potential of penvidutide in serious liver diseases. We saw a growing interest and excitement for penvidutide from the scientific community and the role it may play in treating the liver damage that characterizes the overlapping metabolic and alcohol-associated diseases of MASH, AUD, and ALD. During the liver meeting, we presented two analyses from the IMPACT Phase 2B trial, including

  12. compelling data showing concurrent improvement across multiple noninvasive measures of liver fat, inflammation, and fibrosis compared to patients receiving placebo. The new data further illustrates the strong and consistent antifibrotic activity and a generally favorable tolerability profile in the absence of those titrations. Our data, along with emerging data from other glucagon GLT-1 programs, reinforced the importance of glucagon in treating MASH. The totality of our learning during the liver meeting further support our phase three study design. We also hosted a well-attended disease state product theater where Dr. Mazen Noureddin, Dr. Rohit Lumba, and Dr. Jessica Mellinger discussed the advanced liver disease continuum. They noted the prognostic importance of fibrosis on outcomes and how various factors including alcohol consumption or metabolic dysfunction impact the progression of serious liver disease. The product theater further underscored the overlap between excessive alcohol consumption and metabolic causes of serious liver disease and the high-end need for a therapy that can chronically address both causes and their liver damage consequences. We believe that the data presented on pemvidutide during the liver meetings strongly support the potential of pemvidutide to address that unmet need with a generally well-tolerated approach that is particularly suitable for chronic diseases such as MASH, AUD, and ALD. In addition, Dr. Henry Krenzler, the leading

  13. investigator for our RECLAIM Phase II trial presented the very robust and positive study results in the late-breaking oral presentation at the liver meeting. To our knowledge, the RECLAIM data is the strongest data in AUD to date. The trial showed statistically significant improvements with pemvidutide across the primary endpoint of heavy drinking days, as well as key secondary measures, including WHO risk drinking level, and achievements of zero heavy drinking days, both of which are FDA registrational endpoints. Importantly, we also demonstrated that PEST, an objective serum-based measure of alcohol consumption, corroborated the self-reported reduction in alcohol intake in pemvid-treated patients. Pemvidutide also increased abstinence in patients in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. with AUD. And while Reclaim was focused on drinking behaviors, the trial demonstrated in an exploratory analysis that Pemvid decreased the proportion of patients with elevated risk for developing advanced liver fibrosis as measured by FIT-4. These data point towards potential liver improvement in this patient population. Given Pemvid's direct glucagon effect on the liver, the observed data is very encouraging, and we expect to further evaluate the potential liver benefits in the Registrational Phase III study in AUD with inclusion of a subpopulation of AUD patients with advanced liver impairment. Importantly, reclaim was conducted in patients with moderate to severe AUD, the population we believe may have the greatest need for more effective and safe treatment options and who are

  14. at risk of alcohol-related liver disease. The overall strong positive results, including the generally favorable safety profile observed in the trial, positions us well to engaging with regulatory agencies to align on the next steps for the program. To that end, our end of phase two meeting with the FDA is scheduled for December, where we expect to discuss the study design, Bye-bye. and regulatory paths for a phase three AUD program. Typically, meeting minutes follow within 30 days. In our registration program, we will focus on moderate to severe patients, including a subpopulation of patients with advanced liver impairments such as ALD. This approach not only aligns with FDA guidance, where patients with hepatic impairments should be enrolled in AUD registration programs, but also may address a current unmet need as therapies for AUD are not specifically indicated in the hepatically impaired subpopulation. In terms of trial design, we expect the primary endpoint to be the WHO RDL with no heavy drinking days as a key secondary endpoint, both of which reach statistical significance in the Reclaim Phase II trial.

  15. Thank you very much.

  16. We expect other secondary exploratory endpoints to include additional self-reported drinking endpoints, PET, body weight, and liver endpoints, including liver fat content, liver stiffness, measurements, and health. We would look to include both 1.8-mg and 2.4-mg doses with a simple one-to-two-step titration. The PROCLUS trial would have a primary efficacy read at 26 weeks and continue up to one year for additional safety and efficacy data. The final program design will, of course, be subject to our dialogue with regulators. Moving now to ALD. The RESTORE trial enrolled 121 patients with ALD and a history of chronic and heavy drinking at baseline. The 48-week trial is designed to demonstrate the liver benefits over a period of 48 weeks and includes additional evaluations at 24 weeks. Given the significant overlap between the ALD and the UD patient population, demonstrating liver benefits in the RESTORE trial could further support a unique role for Pembidotide in decreasing both chronic alcohol consumption and the liver damage it causes. We also believe that the ALD RESTORE trial will further strengthen our filing package and discussion with regulators when seeking an UD indication. We expect the top line data for RESTORE in the second half of 2027. In summary, the significant progress achieved during 2026 across all our clinical program positions ultimune while heading into 2027. I echo Jerry's sentiment that our conviction in Pembidotide

  17. is stronger than ever. We look forward to executing against the key clinical and regulatory milestones ahead, moving us closer to bringing Pembidotide to patients. And with that, I will turn the call over to Linda.

  18. Linda RichardsonChief Commercial Officer

    Thanks, Christophe.

  19. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Following the conclusion of the 2026 liver meeting, I'd like to reflect on why we believe Pembidotide remains well-positioned in the MASH and AUD. markets as a differentiated potential future therapy. First, new data presented at the liver meeting clearly supports the validity of the dual glucagon GLP-1 mechanism of action in the treatment of MASH. That said, the molecule matters as we see different profiles emerging within the glucagon GLP-1 class. Pembidotide's balanced 1 to 1 glucagon GLP-1 ratio has already shown significant early improvements in MASH resolution in our Phase IIb impact study and strong data on fibrosis improvements based on 24 and 48-week NIT analyses. In addition to the strong profile of the 1.8 milligram dose we saw in Phase II, the 2.4 milligram dose now being studied in our 52-week Performa Phase III MASH trial may offer additional upside in terms of weight loss and efficacy. Our generally favorable tolerability profile, seen now across multiple PEMB2 type trials and lack of significant drug-drug interactions, are important product features that should help patients remain on PEMB therapy as well as continue medications they may be taking for comorbid conditions. These two specific features, in addition to our dual mechanism of action, suggest that PEMB may play an important future role as a potential

  20. company. There is no combination therapy for MASH patients who do not reach therapeutic goals or cannot tolerate their current therapy. Second, despite the availability of approved therapies in MASH, one thing remains clear, a significant unmet need remains. While encouraged by the growth seen to date in the MASH market, diagnosis and treatment rates remain low, but we expect this dynamic to evolve. We also believe that evaluating MASH treatment options for patients will move beyond focusing primarily on diabetes and obesity comorbidities to also address additional needs. For example, patients diagnosed with MASH who also drink, those who are at risk for sarcopenia and need to preserve lean muscle mass, and postmenopausal women facing decreases in bone mineral density may be important patient segments for Pembidutide in the future. Third, with Pembidutide, we have a significant opportunity to potentially redefine what to expect from drug therapy and alcohol use disorder based on our specific profile of reducing alcohol consumption and perhaps demonstrating direct improvements on the liver given our glucagon activity. This could subsequently help activate one of the largest underserved markets in the U.S. As a reminder, approximately 27 million Americans meet the criteria for AUD, and 12 million of these patients are believed to have moderate to severe AUD. This more advanced segment has the highest risk of progressing to severe liver damage and is where PEMVidutide's dual mechanism of action may be most compelling. Christoph highlighted our AUD data from Reclaim earlier in the call, but I would like to also note that our early mover status in AUD is a competitive advantage for PEMVidutide.

  21. We are generating important new data in this field. PEMVid's balanced one-to-one glucagon GLP-1 ratio providing both metabolic and direct liver benefits, generally favorable tolerability profile, lack of significant drug-drug interactions, and simple patient-friendly dosing drives significant differentiation versus other therapies in development across MASH, AUD, and ALD. We are excited. about PEMB's potential, confident in our existing data, and look forward to sharing additional insights on future calls. Greg, you'll now share our financials for the third quarter.

  22. Management

    Thank you, Linda, and good morning. Beginning with our financial results for the quarter, R&D expense in Q3 2026 totaled $27 million, compared to $15 million for the same period prior year. The year-over-year increase in R&D spend is primarily driven by the initiation of the Phase III trial in MASH and the ongoing Phase II trial in ALD. Q3 2026 R&D spend included $20.3 million of direct costs related to Pemba-Dutai development, of which $10.7 million was for MASH, $4.3 million for the Phase II ALD and AUD trials, and $5.4 million in CMC-related expenses. Q3 2026 R&D. Q3 2026 R&D also included $1.1 million in non-cash stock compensation. G&A expenses in Q3 2026 were $8.7 million compared to $5.9 million for the same period prior year, as we added additional talent to the company. The increase in G&A was driven by the increase in compensation expenses and professional fees. Q3 2026 G&A included $1.8 million. million in noncash.com. The net loss for the third quarter of 2026 was $31.6 million, or $0.15 a share, compared to a net loss of $19 million, or $0.21 a share in the third quarter, or $0.25. Moving to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $480 million in cash, cash equivalents and investments. Our year-to-date cash burn tracks in line with plan and is expected to provide operating runway through the PERFORMA Phase III match 52-way data readout expected in 2029. In addition, following upcoming regulatory feedback in AUD, we expect to have a greater clarity on the scope and investment required for a Phase III program in AUD.

  23. Management

    Our preference remains to pursue non-dilutive funding for the program, including potential royalty, debt, or strategic partnership opportunities.

  24. Management

    Thank you very much.

  25. Q&A23:56
  26. Operator

    That concludes prepared remarks. I now turn the call back to the operator for the Q&A session. Operator?

  27. Thank you, sir.

  28. As a reminder, to ask a question, you need to press STAL 11 on your telephone. To enjoy your question, please press STAL 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And I assure our first question comes from the line of Thomas Smith.

  29. From Lear Rink Partners. Please go ahead.

  30. Question

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    Thomas SmithAnalyst

    Hey, guys.

  31. Good morning.

  32. Congrats on all the progress, and thanks for taking our questions. On Performa, I know you've talked about enrollment timelines in sort of the 18 to 24-month ballpark. Just wondering if you could provide an update on how you're tracking here in the early days relative to that timeline, and what aspects of the trial design you think will drive preferential enrollment over some of the competing Phase 2 or Phase 3 programs? Okay, thanks for the question, Tom. Good to speak to you. I'll start, and then Christoph can add in. So, as a reminder, our current guidance calls for a readout of Performa in 2029, and as you mentioned, we've been discussing this 18 to 24-month range in terms of the time we think enrollment will take. We are really encouraged on what we're seeing in the early ramp-up as we really focus on site activation. At this point in the study, it is the lead indicator, while we also begin to enroll and dose patients. Christophe mentioned in the prepared remarks that the initial focus, as is typical, has been on the U.S. sites. We already have over 70 U.S. sites activated, and we now anticipate in the next period that will also commence on the ex-U.S. sites, which take a little bit of time for some of the work that has to happen country by country. So we'll look to communicate, you know, on-site activations periodically as we progress, and then we'll provide other appropriate updates as the study matures.

  33. Management

    The second part of your question, Thomas, was around some of the elements happening to make enrollment happen in a strong way, and I think we already have some good insight from the states, maybe, Christoph, that you can talk about a little bit. Yeah, absolutely. So, we are early into the study, but we are very encouraged, but we're seeing the enthusiasm from the sites, the study design, how it is set up, how we plan the interactions with sites, it's making it very attractive for those PI to enroll their patients. So, as Jerry said, activation of sites with our more than 70 sites in the U.S. is happening, and we're really happy. It's on plan, tracking on plan, and then in the next few weeks or months, we're going to start getting the ex-US. As you know, these are taking time a little more, but the enthusiasm that we've seen, whether in investigator meetings or at ASLD, was substantial and really encouraging.

  34. Management

    That's great. Super helpful. And just a follow-up, if I could. I know it's a... At the liver meeting, Merck also presented some phase 2VMASH data for their GLP-1 glucagon agonists that included some histology data at 52 weeks, also included a semaglutide active comparator arm. Just wondering if you could comment on that data set and what you saw in the profile there relative to PENVI and any potential learnings or read-throughs from that study as it relates to Performa.

  35. Management

    Thanks so much.

  36. Management

    Yeah, so I think... Look, we were interested in the data, of course. We think that that data set further validates the mechanism, probably, and Chris, I'll talk a little deeper, probably gives us a good indicator that 12 months is a good time to read the biopsy, which is what we deployed in Performa. And I also think that, again, the totality of the picture we've seen, we believe that PEMVI compares favorably and offers some advantages to patients. That'll be a big part of what we continue. to speak about and to focus on, because the differentiation from the other options is going to be key. Yeah. No, and exactly. So this is what we observed with the Effinol data, and again, it's two separate studies, not a head-to-head comparison, but the fact that they demonstrated with that open-label GLP-1 arm added value of the glucagon components from the GLP-1 GLP-1. for us, really important. It's now the third or fourth dual agonist also that validates the mechanism, that class, and we like what we see with Pemfidutide, that tolerability, the strong efficacy at our 1.8-milligram dose. We will test also the 2.4-milligram dose in our Phase III PERFORMA trial. So, this actually brought us in our assumptions for the Phase III trials and the probability of success for it. Got it. That's helpful.

  37. Management

    Thank you, guys.

  38. Management

    Thanks, Tom.

  39. Operator

    Thank you. And actually, our next question comes from the line of Michael DeFiori from Evercore. Please go ahead.

  40. Question · Evercore ISI

    Hey, guys.

  41. Thanks so much for taking my question. Two for me, one on Proforma. I'm not sure if you disclosed in the past, but what placebo rate is it? And treatment effect did you assume for Proforma's fibrosis endpoint, and how does that compare with impact? And separately, for AUD, you know, now that the Phase II reclaimed data had been out for a while, I was wondering if the drug-related discontinuations cluster around the step-up to 2.4 milligrams, and does that change how you're thinking about titration in Proforma? Thank you. All right, so first on the Proforma, the placebo rate, we've taken, as we've shared, we haven't disclosed the whole statistical details, but as we've shared, we have taken a very conservative approach that is based on what other trials have achieved so far for approved drugs. Now, having said this, as you remember, and as the recent article... ...manuscript that has been published on our 48-week data, our needs were much stronger than this, but given the size of the study and the way to develop such a study, we have to take those assumptions into consideration. Regarding the placebo, again, a couple of things. We have probably the most robust approach with regard to the biopsy reads. We confirm this through ASLD. The part that is important is this AMASH assist as well, the selection of the pathologies. The AMASH assist is something that clearly increase precision accuracy and decrease variability on the biopsy reads.

  42. Management

    So these are important factors and that will be playing in our favor if this pan out to be really the case. On the AUD side, could you repeat the questions? Sure. Now that the full Phase II reclaimed data are out, did the drug-related discontinuations cluster around the step-up to 2.4 milligrams? And if so, does that change how you're thinking about titration in the Phase III perform a MASH trial? No, so that doesn't... It doesn't change anything on the Phase III perform a MASH trial. Actually, it confers us. These are two different populations, so we have to be very careful. A couple of learnings here. One, the profile of those AE is not unexpected, and there's nothing new there. The second is in different population, you may see some variability in those AE profiles, but clearly in our AUD, the titration for... monthly of one step or two step, because in our phase three, we will go also with the 1.8 milligram dose that was extremely well tolerated in the phase two MASH trials. So putting these together, we're comfortable moving forwards and confidence that we can manage and keep the very good tolerability profile that we've seen with Pembidutide throughout different populations. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thanks. Michael. Thank you. Can I share our next question? It comes from the line of Ellie Murrow from Barclay. Please go ahead.

  43. Management

    Morning, Ellie.

  44. JosephManagement

    Hi, this is Joseph.

  45. This is Joseph for Ellie.

  46. Question · Evercore ISI

    Thanks for taking our question.

  47. Congrats on the progress. For AUD, could you remind us of the percentage of AUD patients who have obesity, diabetes, and MASH, and if there's any real-world evidence from, like, off the list?

  48. Management

    So, the percentage of patients with AUD in MASH is actually looked at under the umbrella of the MATE ALD patients. We know that there is more than 10% of this population. Keep in mind that this is not always screened appropriately, that the test evaluation test is not always done. So, it's probably... very much underestimated. And actually, at the SLD, again, at the liver forum, there was a clear overlap between the patients that do have MASH and the patients that do have alcohol. And these are very much related. So, this is...the other things that I wanted to mention is what we know is that on the ALD side, there are more than...they're close to 55% to 94%. So, almost... all of them that do have AUD. So, there is clearly two aspects to consider. There is the liver damage in itself, which is at the center of these two different pathologies. And there's the different causes. And these seem to have more and more overlap as we learn more about these different patients' populations. I think the role of obesity also is you clearly see that as a co-morbidity in M.A.S.H. But you also have calories from drinking, et cetera. So these patients may also be obese and drinking and have M.A.S.H. And in ALD, sometimes this dynamic changes because you can be, you know, have the lean drinking, they're drinking, they're not consuming calories. So there is a spectrum with the weight across both M.A.S.H., AUD and ALD, different concerns.

  49. Management

    So clearly the lean muscle mass sparing elements potentially of our drug will be important in all the population.

  50. Management

    And one quick follow-up, if I can. When can we expect an update on AUD from your learnings from the end of Phase II meeting with FDA? So as we announced, we're going to have that meeting in December. You typically anticipate the minutes coming within 30 days after that and we would communicate appropriately at that point. As you would expect...

  51. Management

    Thank you very much.

  52. Management

    But we also anticipate dialogue, as Christoph mentioned, with EMA happening in the first quarter.

  53. Operator

    Thank you. And I show our next question in the queue comes from the line of Kripa Devarakonda from Truist. Please go ahead.

  54. Hi, this is Alex on for Kripa. Question from us. Can you provide an update on how you're thinking about... ...potential partnering or the lack thereof in order to optimize the development of PENVY across all three indications? And if you could provide more detail on how, when, or if you would pursue a partnership and what would ultimately be looking for in a partner if they did choose to go that route? Thanks. So as you can imagine, as our program matures, we were active on this front and fully open to approaches that help move PENVY forward and create value. As Greg said, said in the context of the non-dilutive options that we would prefer to fund AUD, that's one of them. So I can't go into any more detail than that, but that's how we think about it strategically while we ensure that we're driving execution on our program as strongly as possible. All right. Thanks a lot. Congrats on the progress. Thank you. Thank you. And I share our next question comes from the line of Catherine Okokone from Citizen. Please go ahead.

  55. Question · Citizen

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    Catherine OkokoneAnalyst · Citizen

    Hi, this is Catherine on for John Walden. I have a quick question on developmental timelines. So how are you thinking about kind of prioritizing the meetings kind of clear up a lot of the phase three design AUD, but as far as prioritizing the start of the phase three. What variables are going to determine that and just any more commentary on how you are thinking about developmental timing? Thank you. Yeah, I think as we, you know, have been indicating, the next step in this process is that feedback that we'll solicit and discuss with the agency in December that will allow us to take that important input around sizing and scoping the trial. Um, we will be getting feedback from, from Europe, uh, alongside of that. And of course, as we said, then, then the opportunity of ensuring that we're, um, um, building towards the right kind of, uh, of value creating funding, uh, will be happening. So we're not at a point where we're going to guide specifically on timing, but we think about this in a stepwise approach and getting really prepared for that next important step, which is that, that discussion with FDA, uh, next month. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. And I share our next question comes from the line of Roger Song from Jeffries. Please go ahead.

  56. Question · Jefferies

    Roger SongAnalyst · Jefferies

    Hey, good morning.

  57. Uh, congrats on the progress and thanks for taking our questions. Uh, this is Peter Chen calling in for Roger. Uh, just a quick one for, uh, for AUD from us. Um, are you still thinking of including lean patients in the AUD phase three? Um, and if so, uh, have you guys observed a relationship between weight loss and, um, heavy drinking day reduction and reclaim? And did patients with limited weight loss still show an alcohol benefit? Yeah. So we, all our data, the totality of our data, um, allows us, and we comforted this, uh, confirmed this with our KOLs that, uh, if in our phase two, we had limited, uh, the BMI of the patients to, uh, patients above 20. Now we can, we will explore this in the phase three. So we will have a cohort of patients that are below, uh, 25, uh, or, or, or normal, um, into our, our cohorts. And, uh, we'll be looking at this. With regard to our data, we're still looking at all this, uh, this different aspects, but, uh, it's clearly there's a good response throughout the different, uh, BMI. And, uh, and, uh, and that's what allows us to include these patients below 25 or makes us comfortable and confident we can include them into the phase three, uh, program. Great. Really appreciate the additional color.

  58. Management

    Thanks, guys.

  59. Operator

    Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of William Wood from B Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

  60. Question · B. Riley Securities

    Thanks so much for taking our questions and congrats on the continued, uh, progress here. Uh, just to sort of double click on performa execution, um, you know, could you comment on how many patients have actually been randomized? And, uh, in terms of sort of the mix between U.S. and ex-U.S., I believe you said, uh, that total sites activation will be around 300. So, uh, should we expect, you know, is that 70 sort of maxing out? In terms of the U.S. and then the rest should be, uh, ex-U.S. Um, and then I have a follow-up. Yeah, so as I said earlier, uh, we're focused on site activation in this phase while we, um, enroll and start to dose patients. Uh, we're not yet at a point where we're going to comment on, on specific, uh, patient numbers. Um, we have talked about that one-third, uh, roughly one-third of the ultimate, uh, study sites will be. in the U.S. So, uh, with 70 in, uh, there's some, uh, more to happen in the U.S. and again, that progresses, uh, really on, on a weekly basis in terms of adding those sites and then the, um, ex-U.S. could come next. Christoph, maybe any? Yeah, no, I mean, this is, this is exact. So, we are, we are, as you understand, the, the phasing of those, uh, of sort of different sites will vary between countries. Um, we have the vast majority. of our, uh, sites already activated in the U.S., and this is really, uh, encouraging. Uh, and we are moving, uh, step by step into the activations of the other countries, uh, Europe, Asia, et cetera, will come next. Uh, so that will bring all these patients, um, again, to just repeat myself, but we are very encouraged in the, uh, when we see the screening, the number of patients that are coming through the sites right now.

  61. Management

    By the PIs engagement for the study, how they respond and how they were present and, uh, the, the, the receptions as well as the, the, the, the, the number of PIs and sites that have come to our booth at the liver meeting was also telling on, uh, on that interest for the performance study. So this is, this is working. We are in the early stages, but this is working exactly as planned. And, uh, and we see a great engagement to work with us. And of course, we understand why this is such an important question. And we're thinking about it, uh, uh, carefully as we move ahead. And as I said, uh, we'll provide the appropriate updates as the study matures. Uh, and I'm sure, uh, this will be, uh, a source of conversation on, on each quarterly call. Got it. And then also, um, for the, for your AUD trial, obviously we'll, we'll need to wait post. Uh, end of phase two. Um, and then, you know, the obviously appropriate timeline after that, but just in terms of when we, you know, what's your expectations on when we could actually expect the phase three to initiate? Um, is that something that could happen in the first half of next year? Um, and then also based on your development already in MASH, uh, should we expect a safety database, uh, or should we expect the FDA to require a safety database for AUD or ALD? Um, and maybe are you, are you already screening for, with PEST in your MASH trial? Thank you.

  62. Management

    So maybe Christoph, take, take that question, then I'll come back on, on how to think about timing. So we are definitely using PEST in our PERFORMA MASH trials. This will be an important evaluation to be done. As we mentioned, PEMV-D-TIES has really the potential to treat both the appetites and the metabolic causes of, uh, of the... liver, uh, serious liver disease, as well as alcohol. So we're looking at this into, into our, uh, into our phase three trial. And, uh, for the AUD, uh, there's a number of steps that we're taking to move forward, uh, and we will include patients with also liver impairments or ALD in that population that do have AUD. Um, so this is where we, uh, where we're going right now and working with KOLs, with regulatory agents. to put all these, uh, these aspects together. So, so, uh, this is a stepwise approach. We talked, uh, at the initial top line readout that the next step was to compile the data, submit the data, um, get the meeting on the books with the FDA. That's the next step now in December. Uh, that will allow us, I think, to have a lot of the right inputs to finalize the design, uh, of the trial. Uh, and then, of course, the, the funding question. It's going to be, uh, getting the right, um, the, the, the right, uh, funding mechanism that we think is in ultimately the best interest of moving the program ahead and in the best interest of the shareholders. Uh, so as I said earlier, we're not yet going to, um, guide to timing, uh, around this. We'll update as, uh, we go through these steps and, uh, you know, underneath that, uh, is that kind of dual objective of trying to move, uh, uh, as quickly as we.

  63. Management

    can while also ensuring that each step of the right process, of the process is the right thing for the program long-term. So stay tuned on that. Just want, want to answer the question on the safety database. Obviously, with the number of patients, we already have exposed more than 750 patients. We expect to have those discussions with the, with the, uh, the regulators and trying to, uh, uh, limit that safety database to its strict minimum. On the specific AUD population and being able to use, uh, the, the other trials, like the MASH-PERFORMA trials or the previous Phase II trials for, uh, total exposure to the drug.

  64. Management

    Very helpful. Appreciate it.

  65. Management

    Thank you very much.

  66. Operator

    Thanks. Thank you. And I show our next question comes from the line of Patrick Trucchio from HC Wainwright & Co. Please go ahead.

  67. Question · H.C. Wainwright

    Thanks.

  68. Good morning.

  69. Just a couple of questions. The first is I was wondering how consistent was Reclaim's drinking benefit across baseline BMI and weight loss subgroups, particularly among patients who maybe lost relatively little weight. And then I'm wondering which AUD patient population offers the clearest initial commercial opportunity for Pembidutide based on the product profile that's emerged. And, you know, how the drug would be positioned among, you know, others in the space, particularly in generics. So the data in the RECLAIM study were remarkably consistent between the different groups with a response not only across different measures, as we've seen with the PROs and the more objective PES measures, but also across subpopulations, gender. EMI, et cetera. So the consistency is what makes those data extremely robust, and I will let Linda answer the questions on the commercial side. Certainly. Thanks, Christoph. Thanks for the question. I think we've mentioned that of the 27 million people who meet the criteria in the U.S. for alcohol use disorder, there are roughly 12 million that suffer from or would meet the criteria. For moderate to severe. And that is where we believe the chronicity of use, the binge drinking potential, et cetera, that leads to liver damage. They are the most likely to progress or, in fact, have subclinical underlying damage already that we believe having a direct acting impact on the liver due to the glucagon is very important. Not only do you have to reduce the drinking behavior, the drinking consumption, the amount of drinking, you also want

  70. to be protecting that liver and helping to heal that liver. And that's where the dual mechanism comes in and gives us an advantage that we believe will potentially play out in our clinical trials.

  71. Thanks so much.

  72. Management

    Thanks, Patrick.

  73. Management

    Thank you, Patrick.

  74. Operator

    Thank you. And I share our next question comes from the line of Annabelle Sinemi from Stiefel. Please go ahead.

  75. Question · Stifel

    Annabelle SinemiAnalyst · Stifel

    Hi, this is Kai.

  76. I'm from Annabelle.

  77. Thank you for taking our questions. From us, on the AUD primary, you guys selected who RDO and then the 0HDD as secondary. Just curious why you chose one over the other and then how receptive that is from FDA. And then separately on AUD, given that incretions are now 50% cash pay and, you know, semi-generic in the early 2030s, how do you see your ability to price effectively and do you envision? Cash pay and telehealth as a strong component of the commercial infrastructure. Thank you. All right. So just as a reminder, both of those key secondary endpoints in our Phase 2 study were highly statistically significant, the WHO RDL and the no heavy drinking days. We believe that the WHO, so we had the opportunity to choose any of them based on... on this. And we chose, for right now, we're going to propose the WHO RDL for a couple of reasons. One, the level of drinking and the risk of drinking is very relevant from an addictive aspect. And we believe that no heavy drinking days is a little less relevant from a clinical practice point of view. At least this is what we are hearing from... from our experts, academic experts or clinicians. So this is a very relevant measure. That risk is really important. It allows us also to look at the partial and full remission potentially for these patients in the phase three and move in these directions. So this is an important one. And again, the results that we're seeing were very robust and very strong.

  78. Management

    So I'll take the second part of that question. Now, recall that only about of all the AUD patients meeting that criteria, only about 2.5% are receiving any kind of pharmacotherapy presently. Our data, as far as we are aware, is the strongest data in reduction of drinking and impact on AUD of any company that's presented to date. And the uniqueness of, again, going directly to that liver issue and the tolerability of our product. This is something that patients may need to stay on for a while. We don't know. And the tolerability is going to play into all the features that we see coming from the inherent molecule matters in our whole presentation of one-to-one, we believe will play into the value proposition for pembedutide and AUD. And we are in conversations. We've had some early work talking to payers. and some ad boards and what would it take? How would that look? What would we need to show? What we need to demonstrate? And I think we're well aware of how to approach that and the things that will be important. But clinically speaking, our data is very strong and that's the kind of dual action help that people will need potentially moving forward. Thank you. Thank you. And I show a last question in the queue comes from the line of Andy Shea from William. Blair, please go ahead.

  79. Question · Stifel

    Annabelle SinemiAnalyst · Stifel

    Thanks for taking our question.

  80. You talked about material overlap between AUD, ALD, and MASH. So regarding the effect size that we can expect to see from RESTORE reading out in the second half of next year, is that three to four kilopascal demonstrated from the impact study a good metric to look at?

  81. Management

    Thanks for the question.

  82. Management

    The, uh, it is, uh, I can't. Guide on the number here for what's happening in the population that we have not yet studied directly. Uh, we were really happy with the data we've seen in our MASH with the, the three, uh, almost four kilopascal in the population. That distinction was extremely, uh, strong. And as a reminder, this is only at our middle dose, the 1.8 milligram dose. So for the MASH trial, clearly this is very encouraging. Uh, for the ALT trial, again, uh, if the effect is a number of consideration, uh, you would have to assume that the effect is similar in both population, uh, that the timing of this effect is similar as well, all those kinds of things. Uh, but this is why we think that having that study will be really important when we look at the AUD indications because it will reinforce our filing package with a really good understanding. Around that ALD population, we already know that this is a population that is heavily drinking. Um, so we'll have the AUD population that is, uh, uh, uh, more the regular, uh, population if you wish, but we will also be able to really focus on that, uh, liver impairment, uh, or ALD population. So I think, uh, clearly we're looking at the fibroscan, the VCT. The change in, uh, kilopascal, as you're, uh, rightly saying. Um, but, uh, uh, uh, so far it sounds like the direct impact of glucagon on the liver in addition to the impact of GLP-1 on the drinking levels is really a big differentiation from the GLP-1 alone, especially in those severe and moderate, uh, patients.

  83. Management

    All right. That's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes our Q&A session. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks. Thanks a lot, operator, and thanks, everybody, for joining us today. As you heard on the call today, we remain confident in the opportunity ahead for PEMBI and the franchise that we're building around it. We have several important milestones ahead, so we remain focused on executing with speed, with efficiency, and advancing. This differentiated therapy for patients with serious liver diseases and creating value for our shareholders. I'll end the call with one overarching sentiment that should be the key takeaway, which is that our conviction in PEMBidutide and its potential is stronger than ever as we look ahead. So thanks again for joining us, and we look forward to updating you on our continued progress. Have a great day.

  84. Operator

    This concludes today's conference call.

  85. Thank you for participating.

  86. You may now disconnect.

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