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ALGT earnings call transcript, November 4, 2026
Allegiant Travel Company Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call
Key takeaways from this call : results vs expectations, guidance, what analysts asked
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Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer
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Transcribed automatically by Lician from the company's public webcast; it can contain errors and speaker names are best effort.
- Prepared remarks0:06
- Operator
Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Allegiant Travel Company third quarter 2026 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand to the conference. over to Sherry Wilson, Managing Director of Investor Relations. Sherry, please go ahead.
- Management
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Allegiant Travel Company's third quarter, 2026. On the call with me today are Greg Anderson, Chief Executive Officer, Drew Wells, Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer, and BJ Neal, President and Chief Financial Officer. Last afternoon, we issued our third quarter earnings release, which is available on the investor relations section of our website, along with the supplemental materials accompanying today's call. We ask that you refer to these documents as we walk through our results. The company's comments today will contain forward-looking statements, including our fourth quarter and full year 2026 outlook, statements regarding the integration of Sun Country and expected synergies, and other statements concerning our future performance. And strategic plans. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results could differ materially from those anticipated. For additional information, please refer to the safe harbor language in this afternoon's earnings release. And our filings with the SEC. We will also be discussing non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures where available is included in the earnings release posted on our. Investor Relations website. Before we begin, a brief note on comparability. Speaker commentary will focus on year over year comparisons against 2025 pro forma results unless otherwise noted. And with that, I'll turn.
- Management
Call over to Greg.
- Management
Thank you, Sherry.
- Management
The third quarter marked another quarter of operating profit. Even in what is typically our lowest margin quarter, we expanded our consolidated adjusted operating margin by. 340 basis points versus last year. Leisure demand is still strong as consolidated revenue grew 19% despite a nearly 6% reduction in capacity. A lever reused to help offset a 55%. increase in fuel cost per gallon. And our year-to-date performance demonstrates the strength of our flexible capacity model as we have expanded margins even as we absorbed higher fuel costs and began the integration of our Sun Country merger. We achieved this by focusing... ...on peak days, reducing flying on routes that fall short of return expectations, introducing more MAX aircraft, and growing revenue through our commercial initiatives. Matching capacity to demand with discipline. ...is a key reason we consistently have the highest margin of all the leisure-focused airlines and are among the leaders in the industry. Our total fares are roughly 30% below the industry average, and we are the number one or number two carrier in more than 90% of our origination markets. underscoring our commitment to the communities that we serve. Our reliable operation gives customer service they can depend on. To that point, our teams delivered through the peak summer travel season, leading the industry in completion factor. And I'm proud that Skytrax named Allegiant the best low-cost airline in North America for the third consecutive year. Together, this quarter's results highlight our loyal customer base and the resilient demand it generates.
- Management
Value proposition is straightforward. Convenient, reliable service at an attractive price. Let me turn to several initiatives that helped drive this quarter's performance, strengthen our foundation, and position us for further improvement. Starting with our credit card, co-brand remuneration is up nearly 24% year-over-year with growth accelerating as we drove greater engagement and spending. And it now represents roughly 6%. Standalone Allegiant revenue. Ongoing program improvements and our recently amended Bank of America Agreement strengthens our confidence in reaching our goal of 10% of Standalone Allegiant revenue. Turning to fleet, the 737 MAX generated more than 22% of Legacy Allegiant's third quarter ASMs, and that's up from 12% a year earlier, while making up only 17% of the Legacy fleet. Aircrafts significantly reduce fuel and maintenance costs, and their share of ASMs will keep growing. The MAX fleet serves our highest lines of flying, and their incremental seats per aircraft are especially valuable on peak days. Our premium seating strategy continues to gain momentum. Allegiant Extra, now on 75% of our fleet, and the equivalent Sun Country Best products sees sustained demand and meaningfully boosts our unit ancillary revenue per flight. We expect a similar financial profile for Allegiant First. Strong bookings ahead of its March 20th. 2027 launch show customer interest exceeding initial expectations and reinforcing our confidence as we prepare to expand the product with the new max deliveries.
- Management
And early results from our Expedia partnership are all. Also encouraging this additional distribution channel is attracting customers who had not considered Allegiant previously, helping boost load factors across our network and introducing new customers into our ecosystem and last. Not least, I am very pleased with the strong progress we are making on the integration of Sun Country. Customers can search and book across both airlines, and our comprehensive bottom-up synergy plan has set the integration blueprint for the coming years. We have already realized some benefits by consolidating gates and ground handling at several airports, combining insurance coverage, eliminating duplicate corporate costs, and leveraging our greater purchasing power. Building on these early wins, we are being very thoughtful to sequence the integration to maximize the long-term value, particularly with the integration of our commercial and operating systems. And we remain confident in achieving more than 140. million in annual run rate synergies by 2029. Together, these initiatives give us multiple pathways to increase our earnings power, and we will share more details at our upcoming Investor Day. Pilots, our recruiting classes are full, and new hires will enter service in the coming weeks. And since our last call, legacy Sun Country pilot attrition has come down, and new hire classes will continue.
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And we are going to continue to keep a close eye on it. The Twin Cities remains the combined company's list. And growing our leisure-focused, variable capacity offering in MSP is an important part of our long-term strategy. Following the ratification of our pilot agreement with Legacy Allegiant last quarter, we are pleased to distribute $270 million, averaging almost $200,000 per pilot in well-earned bonuses, recognizing their dedication to our customers and the essential role they play in our airlines business. Sharing our success with our workforce is central to how we operate. Looking ahead, given continued strength and leisure demand, we expect fourth quarter TRASM to set a record for the highest in our company's history. Planning for fourth quarter fuel cost of about $4.75 per gallon, a sharp increase from the third quarter. Even so, with strong demand, maturing initiatives, and our growing MAX fleet, we remain confident in our 20-year-olds. Full-year adjusted earnings per share guidance of greater than $6, despite fuel costs significantly higher than we first issued it. Our capital allocation priorities are clear. Maintain a strong balance. Invest in our MAX aircraft and the initiatives that unlock the combined company's earnings potential and use excess cash to reduce debt. In closing, we are building the nation's leading leisure-focused carrier with a more. Diversified business model and a clear path to sustainable earnings growth.
- Management
Our focus is on execution, operating safely and reliably, aligning capacity with demand, maintaining cost discipline. Advancing our commercial initiatives and successfully integrating Sun Country. And we look forward to our investor day on December 7th in Las Vegas, where we will share more on our integration milestones and commercial initiatives and provide. Our long-term financial framework and a simpler reporting structure. Before I hand it over to Drew to discuss our commercial performance, I want to thank our team members across both airlines. We are well positioned because of their tireless.
- Drew WellsExecutive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer
I am proud to serve next to them. Drew?
Thank you, Greg, and thanks to everyone for joining us this afternoon. We finished the third quarter with $962 million in total operating revenue for the combined company. 19% year-over-year on 6% less capacity. Despite the overall reduction in scheduled service capacity, we were able to slightly increase peak day flying through the quarter. Combined Trasm was $14.18, up 28.3% year-over-year, which, for both brands, would mark... ...a third-quarter record and the second-best quarterly Trasm in history. This is a remarkable achievement in any light, but especially during the typically seasonally weaker third quarter. Charter and Cargo contributed another $136 million. Similarly, a record across both brands. ...in the third quarter. The fuel pass-through programs give us a predictable foundation, and on top of that, we kept the scheduled service flying flexible and pointed at the best days. Load factors expanded by two points, marking the... ...fourth consecutive quarter of expansion for the combined airline on a pro forma basis. Increasingly important as the ancillary per passenger line expanded again in the third quarter. We added more than $3 per passenger while flying with nearly five... ...additional passengers per departure. We continue to mature into our updated merchandising and pricing capabilities. The Legacy Allegiant and Sun Country teams have come together to share ancillary wins and best practices in a driving line of...
...to further synergy development in early 2027. Further, the staggering yield trends continued as air revenue per passenger was up 50% versus the third quarter 2025. The third party line... ...also saw high single-digit percents versus the prior year. For the Allegiant Always Visa co-branded program, both spend on the card and acquisition of the card exceeded 20% growth in the quarter. The third consecutive quarter... ...of achieving both. An incredible performance from the team continuing to drive focus and effort into the program. Further, I'm pleased to announce we've signed a five-year extension with Bank of America. This extension will unlock growth in our portfolio. As we realize improved economics and evolve our co-brand offering. I'm excited to share more details at Investor Day. On the network front, our summer network had 86 routes start over the past 18 months. And I expect the vast majority will return for the summer 2027 schedule. Leaning into our flexible seasonal approach to network deployment. 50 of those routes operated only during the summer peak. The third quarter is a shiny. An example of the flexibility in the model in other ways as well. July represented nearly 50% of the quarter's scheduled service ASMs. Charter and cargo flying constitute nearly a third of September block hours. A maximum of 709 departures on a Sunday in July versus a low of 28 departures.
on a late August Tuesday. The fourth quarter is of course typically marked by the holiday peaks where we expect our highest departure day to be approximately 10 times the flying of our lowest scheduled service day in the quarter. In total. We expect scheduled service growth will be approximately 1.7% higher versus the fourth quarter of 2025. Much of that growth is driven by our Boeing max deliveries. In fact, 20% of the quarter's combined scheduled service ASM. We'll be on the more fuel efficient max aircraft. Demand remains incredibly healthy and despite the growth and sequential year-over-year increase in ASMs, fourth quarter combined TRASM should exceed 20% on a year-over-year basis. Most importantly, cash sales continue their strong trend with double-digit growth above our forward-seat growth. Part of the sustained demand outlook is due to the shift in our distribution strategy. Our results from Expedia have been strong since our initial booking out. Just three months ago, approximately 4% of bookings have come via the platform, while continuing to see meaningfully more than half of customers as net new to Allegiant. As Greg mentioned, the demographic profile has skewed younger than our direct bookings on average. And the geographic profile has supported travel out of many of our traditional destination cities and newer routes to our network. With our growth outlook, meaningful presence in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and other competitive cities, enhanced distribution stress.
And increased customer centricity in our offering. We can honor the uniqueness of our commercial model while becoming an increasingly valuable option for leisure travelers. As we look into the future, Allegiant Extra and Sun Country Best have. Formed incredibly strong through this demand environment. And we are gaining further confidence into the very early booking curve of the new Allegiant First product. Expedia continues to produce incremental net new customers to Allegiant. And we expect. To further develop our capabilities. We are incredibly excited about the initial Allegiant First flight coming in March 2027. And the rollout of the refreshed Cobran program toward the back half of the year. The announcement of complimentary in-flight. Everages has resulted in the expected increase in NPS. Further to this, we partnered with UNLV's renowned College of Hospitality to create a customer experience training program. The training will build upon the incredible work our crews already do. Every day to help elevate the customer experience while recognizing the strengths, professionalism, and care our team members bring to each flight. Before I hand it over, thank you to the commercial teams at both airlines and to every team.
- Management
Thank you, Drew, and thanks to all of our Legion. SunCountry team members for the continued focus and collaboration as we manage the business through a period of record high fuel prices. I'll once again comment on our results and outlook today on an adjusted basis unless otherwise noted. This quarter was another period of solid execution for our newly combined organization. Despite a challenging fuel environment and the seasonally softer nature of the September quarter, we delivered meaningful year over year margin improvement while continuing to progress on the integration of our two airlines. For the third quarter, the combined. Entity generated operating income of $29.8 million and an operating margin of 3.1%. Together, Allegiant and Sun Country produced $111 million in EBITDA, yielding an EBITDA margin of 11.5%. As persistent strength in demand outpaced the increase in fuel expense. At the bottom line, we reported a net loss of approximately $1 million or a loss of just $0.03 per share. Importantly, this performance at the favorable... ...end of our guidance range came despite fuel averaging $0.18 per gallon above our initial expectation. These results underscore the resilience of our flexible capacity operating model and the importance of our business to the communities we serve. Third quarter non-fuel unit costs were $0.923, an increase of 9.1% versus the pro forma third quarter of 2025 on 6% lower capacity. This ChasmX result was better than our expectations.
- Management
Primarily due to a true up of the accrual associated with our pilot retention bonus, which was paid out in the quarter. As we discussed on our last call, we expect the third quarter to mark the peak of our year over year non-fuel cost pressure. We're pleased with the Chasm X performance throughout this year, but we continue to focus on driving improvements through crew productivity and operating efficiencies as we move into 2027. Fuel expense was roughly $294 million during the quarter. Higher than the pro forma prior year quarter and averaging $3.98 per gallon versus our August guidance of 380. While we continue to navigate the elevated fuel cost environment, our focus remains on further deployment of fuel efficient max. aircraft and allocating our capacity to support the highest return flying. During the third quarter, we invested approximately $136 million in consolidated capital expenditures in addition to $20 million in deferred heavy maintenance spend across the two areas. For the full year, our CapEx outlook for Allegiant Travel Company, as reported, remains approximately $850 million. Looking ahead to 2027, given our increased aircraft delivery cadence and the recent exercise of six 737 options, we are expecting capital expenditures to be elevated above 2026 levels. We ended the quarter in a strong financial position with total available liquidity of $1.1 billion, including $865 million in cash and investments and $250 million in undrawn revolvers. With the payout of our pilot retention bonus and
- Management
closing of the Sun Country transaction behind us, alongside prearranged financing for upcoming CapEx needs, we have thoughtfully relieved cash balances to approximately 21% of trailing 12-month pro-former revenue, exclusive of the $250 million. in revolver capacity. This is consistent with our objective of maintaining a more efficient cash position in line with the peer group while preserving ample liquidity for the business. Total debt at quarter end was $2.9 billion. with net debt at $2.1 billion. For the remainder of 2026, we expect funding needs to be met through prearranged financing facilities disclosed earlier in the year and further financing origination would be focused around 2027 activity. Importantly, we continue to operate with approximately $2 billion in fleet equity, providing robust financial flexibility as we fund craft investments and continue integrating the two airlines. During the quarter, we placed two seven- 37 MAX aircraft into service while retiring three passenger aircraft to end the quarter with 192 aircraft operating across the combined entity, which includes 22 freighter aircraft owned by our cargo customer. Looking ahead, our delivery out- outlook remains consistent with what we shared last quarter. We continue to expect approximately 20 aircraft deliveries in 2027, bringing our in-service MAX fleet to around 45 aircraft by year end. As we've discussed, these deliveries-
- Management
provide us with significant flexibility, but they aren't necessarily an indication of incremental capacity. Given the current fuel environment, we've not yet finalized our 2027 fleet or capacity plans. We continue to appreciate our own ability to manage- retirements of owned aircraft and adjust utilization, allowing us to remain disciplined in how we deploy capacity while benefiting from the improved fuel efficiency and maintenance economics of the MAX fleet. We remain confident in the long-term value of our- order book, and in October, we exercised six options for MAX 8 aircraft with deliveries expected in 2028. This brings our total firm order to 56 aircraft, including the 22 delivered through October, with another 74 options remaining. We believe the attractive operating economics of this fleet, coupled with our combined growing network, provide us with considerable opportunity to expand the business even more profitably over time. For the fourth quarter, we expect combined capacity to be roughly flat to the fourth quarter of 25. Based on an assumed fuel price of $4.75 per gallon, we expect an operating margin of approximately 6.5%. and consolidated earnings of roughly $1.25 per share. While fuel remains a headwind, the fourth quarter outlook reflects continued strength in demand and our ability to flex schedules to maximize operating income. Importantly, this outlook keeps...
- Management
...us on track to deliver full-year earnings of more than $6 per share, consistent with the guidance we provided on our last call, despite a meaningful increase in forecasted fuel costs. On the integration, we've seen encouraging progress, identifying opportunities and... ...advancing initiatives that will drive value for the combined organization. Our confidence in the synergy opportunity remains strong, and we look forward to providing additional detail around the timing and cadence of our synergy capture at upcoming Investor Day on December. I want to recognize the teams across both airlines for their continued hard work. Integrating two organizations while maintaining strong operational performance and navigating record high fuel costs requires tremendous effort. I'm appreciative of the professionalism and commitment to safe operations our team members demonstrate every day. As I wrap up, demand remains robust and our model continues to demonstrate its resilience. We have the flexibility to respond to a fluid max. A strong balance sheet supporting our future investments and an increasingly efficient fleet. Combined with the progress we're making on integration and an engaged team that's excited about what we're building, we remain confident in our ability to drive sustainable. Earnings growth and margin expansion in the years ahead. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. We can now open the line for analyst questions.
- Q&A22:09
- Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of Savvy Sith with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Raymond James
Savvy SithAnalyst · Raymond JamesHey, good afternoon.
Everyone, just maybe on the kind of strong revenue results and outlook here, it seems a bit stronger than maybe what you were thinking at the last earnings call. And I'm curious what changed.
- Management
Hey, Savi.
- Management
I think part of it was, as you get into the seasonally weakest part of the third quarter and really the year in late August and then into September, demand just absolutely continued to rip, probably beyond certainly what we had guided out and what we could have. hope for. So I think that was a big part of it. And then kind of like I've alluded to in my remarks, just as the revenue teams from Legion and Sun Country came together, finding some of those early wins on the ancillary front, I think came. A little bit earlier than than we'd anticipated. And seeing that flow through into that late August and September timeframe was a nice win as well that we had not contemplated at that time.
Question · Raymond James
Savvy SithAnalyst · Raymond JamesThat's helpful. You mentioned the peak-off-peak balance there. Curious as you're building your schedule in 1Q and beyond. Are you maintaining that pushing peaks while keeping off-peaks lower? How are you thinking about the peak versus off-peak ASM growth? Yeah, we'll absolutely still keep a bit of a spread between the two. Demand, like we just talked about, ran crazy good through the back. After the third quarter, but fuel has also remained very high. And I think we're taking the position, despite maybe what you've seen today in the oil markets, that it's going to be higher fuel for longer. Really easy for us to pivot from that as we get closer to departure. But I think still taking a bit of a conservative stance relative to the fuel environment on how we're planning forward.
- Management
Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mike Linenberg with Georgia Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Georgia Bank
GMike LinenbergAnalyst · Georgia BankYeah, I guess two questions here, Drew. When we think about your distribution strategy, you said 4% Expedia. You said it skews younger. What's the right percentage? How much more? You know, is a focus to do more indirect booking. And can you give us a sense on those bookings, the quality of them? Historically, we've seen, you know, what comes through the GDSs tend to be... You know, higher revenue, higher margin, higher yield. I realize it's early, but what you're saying on that front, then I have a follow-up.
- Management
Yeah, thanks, Mike. Yeah, I don't know if there's a specific percentage we're targeting. I think... Maybe something comes back to kind of where you ended that with the strength of the booking and what happens after the fact, right? If we're driving sufficient new customers to that channel and then converting them to direct, I don't mind that percentage running pretty high because it's the... Right, long-term decision. If that starts to pivot, then I'll probably back off of that stance a little bit. So far, and I think we talked about this on the last call, it's still an airfare-only proposition. So kindly, we're lagging a little bit on the ancillary front still. We have plans to work towards correcting that here in probably the next six months or so, making the first foray into that. But so far, the strength of the booking, the quality of the customer, getting some of those customers to come back directly. Such that they're booking again, have all been wins so far. So very content, but I'll stop short of giving you a specific number. Mike, it's Greg. I just want to add real quick to that, Mike. We've always... here at Allegiant done just, I think, a really great job of a direct booking basis. And our focus, as you know, for many years, and that'll be continued... We'll continue to focus on the direct-to-consumer booking. But as Drew mentioned... ...media lets us reach customers we weren't reaching, and we think that complements our direct channel, and we'll do everything we can to retain such customers.
Question · Georgia Bank
GMike LinenbergAnalyst · Georgia BankGreat. Great. Sounds great. And then just my... Second question, when you ordered the MAX 8200, there was also an order there for the MAX 7s, which I believe now basically have converted into options. There's nothing firm. And yet when we've seen how the industry has evolved... Everybody has upgaged. And it would seem like that now that the MAX 7 is certified, that that is something that may actually feature in your fleet going forward, especially given the number of markets where you're either number one or number two. So where's your head on thinking on... On MAX 7, and the fact that it seems like the rest of the industry has moved to much higher seat counts, it would seem that there may be an opportunity there for someone like you to strike. Your thoughts on that, and thanks for taking my questions. Sure.
- Management
Hey, Mike.
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Yeah, you know, when we did the order, we really liked the Max 7 because we were looking at both the Max 8 and Max 7 at very high density. And so you got a really nice trip cost, seat cost mix with this. With the Max 7. But over time, as you've seen us roll out, you know, incremental premium offering at the moment through Allegiant Extra and eventually with Allegiant First, the seat cost, it just, just. Sort of loses, loses pace with the Max 8. And so we prefer the cost economics of the Max 8 at this point. Okay. Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Dwayne Fenningworth with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Evercore ISI
Dwayne FenningworthAnalyst · Evercore ISIHey, thank you.
Just a couple little ones for me. I just want to check, is the difference between your total system capacity and the guidance and scheduled service, is that all fixed fee or is there anything else in there? And then how do you think about it?
- Management
Yeah, Drew here. The vast majority is going to be fixed fee flying. There's just a small amount of company repositioning style flying, but that's going to be... A very small percentage, so fixed fee is a fair way to think about that. Looking forward on the charter line, I think we're probably going to be a little bit higher in 4Q on a year-over-year basis. But probably not crazy on that front. It's probably looking forward to a small, low-single-digits run rate going forward on an absolute basis, but remaining opportunistic. Based on fuel environment, demand environment, and so on. That's helpful. And then I know it's a much smaller percentage of your mix than the predecessor, but similar question on cargo. Are the levels we're seeing? Yeah, I'd consider 3Q largely... At the mature rate, there's obviously the escalators in the contract that will boost the revenue lines a little bit. And there will always be some puts and takes based on timing of maintenance. But with the aircraft we have and the level of flying, I think we're effectively at the...
- Management
Helpful. Maybe I'll just sneak one more in. Apologies. The full year guide on earnings, I mean, you're giving us the fourth quarter. Clearly, it's ahead of where we were. But the full year guide for EPS, does that... include Sun Country only for the period you owned it, or is that a pro forma? And if it's not a pro forma, I assume that would be even higher.
- Management
Hey, Duane.
- Management
The... Full year guide of greater than $6 includes earnings from the Sun Country segment from the period after we took ownership. Okay, very good. Thank you.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of James Kirby with JP.
Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · JP
James KirbyAnalyst · JPHey, good afternoon, guys.
I just want to start here on the capacity. You mentioned, I think, the period of marks, Sun Country, pilot attrition is starting to improve, but just wondering, you know, on a Sun Country standalone basis where you see Q4 trending from schedules that looks like still down low single digits, high single digits, and if the timeline. of when you can expect to normalize that network, especially, you know, into 1Q, given the importance of that quarter for Sun Country.
- Gregory AndersonChief Executive Officer and Director
Hey, James, it's Greg.
I'll kick it off, and then Drew may want to add some more detail. But to your point, we have seen attrition rates lower since our last call with our Sun Country pilots, but staffing levels are still below where we'd like them to be, and we're working through it. The new hire classes are full. We have classes out for the foreseeable future. So I think it's just a matter of time before we get the staffing back to where we'd like to fly, the demand. The Twin Cities is really strong. We want to add capacity there. So for our Sun Country flying, I would expect we'll start adding back flying as the staffing levels rebuild. We have Allegiant. Expect sometime in 2027 to be able to fly Allegiant aircraft from Allegiant bases into the Twin Cities and add some incremental flying. So I think that's just steps we're taking. They're within our control to grow our service and MSP and leverage the strengths of the combined airlines. But that'll take some time. I think you're hitting, though, on the first quarter specific to March capacity. I don't know that we're ready to give a guide yet on March capacity or first quarter 27 capacity. But what I could say is that, you know, we're just working to do everything we can to protect as much capacity in the Twin Cities as possible. But, Drew, anything you want to add to the fourth quarter? Anything else? No, I mean, on. The fourth quarter, I'd expect the Sun Country brand to be down somewhere in the 10 percent range on scheduled service flying.
And as we see it today, I think we'd expect sequential improvement in the forward quarters. But, you know, we'll get. We'll get you more detail on that, either in December or our next call. Guy, that's helpful. I appreciate it. And encouraging comments about Legion First and what you're seeing there in the bookings a few months before. Product launches. I was wondering on the yield uplift you're seeing from other former single cabin airlines, is that similar to what you're seeing with Legion First? Or is that better consistent with basically getting at if there's any upside here to what you're seeing with Legion First? Let me make sure I understand. You're just talking how we're thinking of pricing the product relative to other narrowbody or similar cabins? Yeah, more so. Sorry, I worded that poorly. I guess just what you're seeing in terms of yields at other. airlines that are also doing now going into more. The yields are sitting there. Are they consistent with what you're seeing with what you're seeing? I think I can maybe try to answer this. Our first Allegiant first flight being in March of next year, it's going to be hard to compare on the timeline basis to know what other carriers are seeing for yields necessarily. We can see the pricing that's out there. So, as we think about maybe the split of how we're thinking about pricing the product, I think you're seeing something somewhat similar in the Allegiant first price point relative to a main seat.
So, I'm not sure if I'm hitting exactly what you're looking for, but, you know, hopefully between those two, we can kind of draw the right conclusion.
Question · JP
James KirbyAnalyst · JPGot it. Yeah, no, maybe I'll try again at the investor day. Maybe we'll be able to get more booking data there, but I appreciate the questions, guys.
- Management
Thanks, James.
- Operator
Your next question comes from the line of John Godden with Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Citi
John GoddenAnalyst · CitiHey, guys.
This is Max on for John.
Thanks for taking my question.
I just wanted to dialogue on how you guys plan to sort of manage capacity, you know, given potential higher for longer fuel, how this may look on a quarterly basis sort of next year, you know, with the season. And if you can provide any insight on quarterly cadence of max ASMs as a percentage of total company, you know, throughout next year, if possible. Appreciate it. Thanks.
- Management
Hey, Max.
- Gregory AndersonChief Executive Officer and Director
I'll kick it off. This is Greg. I don't think we're going to provide just a 2027 guide today. As Drew mentioned earlier, and rightfully so, we're still planning for fuel to be higher. About 2027. I thought in BJ's opening comments about the MAX aircraft, he hit on that well also, where we have 20 deliveries coming next year. But I wouldn't think of all those as necessarily. Growth aircraft. I think you'll see a lot of retirements as well. So when we think about capacity for next year, I would expect how we're thinking about it to be more modest capacity growth, maybe upload single digits to maybe mid. Single digits, right? But we feel good about 2027. We feel good about the initiative that we've talked about in the call. We feel really good about the MAX aircraft and the integration and how it's trending. And so these are going to be some important topics and good topics to talk through on our investor day on December 7th. But overall, I think we feel good. Yeah, I mean, even, you know, just after the first quarter, just a little bit, we've already pulled down some amount of capacity in January and February. So I think, you know, the range Greg hit on was... Right. Now, of course, we'll start to run into some lower comps from all the capacity that came down in 26. So some fun tension between those two as we look forward.
- Management
Hey, Max, this might help you a little bit if you just think about the preparedness. Remarks and the prior call, we indicated that that total max aircraft in the fleet at the end of next year would be around 45 units and there's 20 deliveries next year. So you can just kind of think of that. And then I think in the. This year with 100 A320s on the legacy Allegiant fleet should give you an idea of how we can grow max operations as a percent of total ASNs. Great. That's really helpful.
- Management
Thanks, guys.
Question · Citi
John GoddenAnalyst · CitiAnd then kind of. Switching gears a little bit. And I'm sure you guys will speak a bit on this at the Investor Day. I recall you mentioned earlier in your script that Minneapolis is key to your long term strategy as the combined company's largest base. I just wanted to double click on this, hone in on what the strategy looks like there and competing versus. The major carrier based on kind of what that may look like, you know, with any insight you can provide there.
- Management
Yeah, I'll hit it real high level. Drew is welcome to add some color, but Max, to your. Point. It's you know, we're investing in the Twin Cities for the long term. We believe there's a lot of opportunity. We expect to continue to serve it well, just as a country has served it well for more than four decades. And we're going to do that through our variable capacity approach and put capacity in when demand is greater than supply and be flexible in those off peak periods, but drew any. Any other comments you want to hit on that? I think I think that's right. I mean, there's a really great history of demand in Minneapolis, St. Paul. Sun Country served that incredibly well. And we think we can continue. In that that legacy there and continue to grow it. I mean, it is a really strong market. You know, we have some great Sun Country leaders that have joined the combined enterprise that will help us to guide the right way. to serve the market. But, you know, we're really excited about the potential. It's going to be, it's going to be phenomenal. Great. Sounds good.
- Management
Thanks, guys.
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Your next question comes from the line.
of Connor Cunningham with Milius Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Hey, everyone. Thank you. Just, we've heard a lot of different, you know, debate around load factor. and yield. You guys have obviously have the most like nimble strategy of maybe all the carriers and do the right thing and like quickly adjust supply. So, I mean, your load factor was up. Your yields are up a bunch too. Just curious on how, like what you may. Take up some of the strategies that are out there, how you plan on positioning yourself into next year from that perspective. Thank you.
Yeah, thanks, Connor.
Yeah, it's fun on our rev team to kind of. Pull on both these levers and see what's going to take. I mean, often a lot of our tests show that changing the fare, either higher or lower, is better than keeping it the same. And so we'll just keep kind of pulling on that and see what spits out. I think by and large, what you'll see through the fourth quarter is probably a bit more of a yield story than the low growth we've seen over the last four quarters. And, you know, I think that's I think that's going to be totally fine, especially to get into the holidays, which is a notoriously high yielding environment. Way. So that's probably how I see it over over the fourth quarter, possibly into the into the first, especially if you're pulling capacity down a little bit more for a high fuel environment in Jan and Feb.
Okay. Maybe piggybacking on that a little bit. So you just talked a little bit about 2027 capacity being up low singles to mid singles. I know that's not firm. There's a lot of moving parts. Totally get it. But like this is clearly an uncertain time. You guys have been the most nimble in the past. You're also, again, to Greg's earlier comment that your pricing is 30% below the industry average. How aggressive could you actually be next year? If things broke in the right direction for you and how quickly could you restore capacity? Maybe to ask it a different way, what's the gating factors? I think you talked a little bit about staffing levels, but just curious on how. Progressive we could be if oil were to retrace or something like that. Just any thoughts around it would be would be helpful. Thank you. Yeah, I think, you know, you'll continue to see us push pretty much as hard as we can in these peak periods, the demand levels. Are still sufficient to outweigh even high oil, where you start to, I think, see some separation is in the shoulder period. So think of, you know, maybe a little bit post Easter, October, those kind of timeframes. It's a pretty good amount of, you know, freed up plane space and crew availability that we can lean into that, you know, and we don't need a significant amount of time. I think our RM team would probably like at least 90 days. 120 days for a full booking curve. But, you know, I think we're, we're spring coiled and ready to go such that oil is, is, is playing ball there.
Maybe I can ask it a different way. Like, do you. Have incremental slack in the peak periods at this point, or are you effectively full at the, or as, as, as, as full as you can be? Yeah, maybe just a little bit of nuance. I think for peak day in the peak period, we're, we're probably. Add or very near we can do, but that's, you know, there, there's room to add Wednesday and Saturday capacity as, as you know, that hurdle rate to, to clear the, the, the variable cost comes down in your scenarios.
We'll get utilization to, you know, this year with fuel, where it is, we do have aircraft utilization down a little bit versus 2025. If that just gives you some sort of illustration of where we could go to Drew's point on off peak days and peak periods.
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Your next question comes from the line of Ravi Shankar with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Please go ahead.
Question · Morgan Stanley
Ravi ShankarAnalyst · Morgan StanleyGreat thanks everyone. You guys have spoken a fair bit about 1Q capacity so far. Do you guys have much of a view of what 1Q demand looks like at all and how sensitive it might be given? It's more of a trough period, but how sensitive might it be to changes in fuel and such? I know it's probably a little too early for a spring break, but any color you have would be good.
- Management
Hey, Robby, very little, you know, sighted. Into the first quarter, it's already the shortest booking curve of the year every year. Kind of when the calendar flips, you know, people's focus shifts into the first quarter. So, you know, there's still, I think, more than 90%. Roughly 90% left to book in the first quarter. So not a lot I can give you there.
- Management
No worries. We can probably follow up on the next call, the 4K call. And maybe as a follow-up here, just on, I know you are. I asked a question about cargo earlier, but anything to keep in mind going into peak season regarding Amazon? Obviously, kind of the plane count is what it is, but anything, any other variables to keep in mind?
- Management
Nothing immediately comes to mind, you know, maybe as we're looking, you know, in the first part of next year, just a reminder that we had, you know, taken a couple of aircraft in the first part of 26 so that, you know, you'd expect just a little bit of. Growth due to that. You know, Amazon has been incredible partners as we talk about our partnership. You know, they'll do a little bit of heavy maintenance in March to free up some hours on the scheduled service side, which is a phenomenal part of the relationship with them. I don't think anything else comes to mind to pass along. Great.
- Management
Thanks, guys.
- Management
See you next month.
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Your next question comes from the lineup.
Katherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Katherine O' Hey, everyone.
Thanks for the time.
So I know we're going to get a lot more details next month on this, but could you just remind us high level of the puts and takes on Synergy? and other initiatives into 2027? You know, like how impactful will the higher level of max line be? What are the key synergies building year over year? And should there be a meaningful impact to the bottom line from the startup of Allegiant First? Thanks.
- Gregory AndersonChief Executive Officer and Director
Hey, Katie, it's Greg.
I'll kick it off and caveat with we'll probably save a lot of it for investor day, particularly around the synergies. We are confident that we'll be able to achieve more than one hundred and forty million in synergies by 2029 in terms of the other initiatives with the MAX aircraft. We what BJ said, we'll have 45 at the end of next year. I would expect 30 plus percent of ASMs probably for the combined company, but at least standalone Allegiant, 30 plus ASM should be. Produced by the max fleet. And we've talked about it in the past that the max fleet just operationally performs really well economically. I think between a 25 to 30 percent earnings benefit as compared to the 320 series. So more max is a good thing and it should help drive sustained earnings for the long term. And then the other initiatives, commercial initiatives, co-brand is a big one. We've talked about it. Drew mentioned the. Mining of the agreement or updated agreement with B of A. Our goal longer term, and this is on a standalone Allegiant basis. We'll have to update our numbers and give you more detail at the at the investor day, but is to go from 6%. In terms of co-brand remuneration, get that up to 10. So we think there's meaningful opportunity there. And Drew and team, I'll leave it with this and he can add any additional colors that an important part of our. Strategy is how do we continue to grow non-ASM revenue? We talked about co-brand and high margin type opportunities. There's a wave of initiatives we had a year ago that we've been talking a lot about.
Extra peak in the peaks with some of the commercial systems. There's a wave now and we'll have several waves following to continue to update with initiatives to drive better and more sustained earnings power. But anything you want to add, Drew? Yeah, maybe only a couple of things here. I mentioned some of the shared wins on the ancillary front that we experienced in the third quarter. That will continue to be a win through the first part of 27. With the co-brand program, with Allegiant First, I'd probably push those expectations to the back half of 27 and into 28, just given needing some lead time. It's one plane in March. It'll take some time for that to meaningfully impact the bottom line. And, you know, looking at Colton Snow real quick, but, you know, Cobra and Economics really starting in the back half of 27 as well. So there's a lot of great that's coming. I might just caution a little bit on the first half of the year and push some of that into the back half. That's great. I'm looking forward to hearing more out in Las Vegas soon. Maybe just one quick one for PJ in your term. You know, you reiterated that 3Q chasmx inflation is going to be the high watermark. With a decent step up in capacity in 4Q versus 3Q, you know, could we see chasmx, you know, several points better than 4Q inflation or is that simplifying it too much and there's some other puts and takes you'd want to flag?
Yeah, thanks, Katie. I guess we have quite a bit of information out there with the guide. So yeah, you should see what will still be up, of course, year over year on chasmx. But yeah, I would say a couple. points better than what we put up in the third quarter.
Thanks for the time, guys.
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Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Dodoro.
with Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question
?Andrew DodoroAnalystThanks for taking the questions.
I guess, BJ, following up on that last question, I guess from a bigger picture perspective, if we take sort of the current implied Chasamex guide in 4Q at that sort of flattish capacity, is that the right construct to think about kind of the core Chasamex growth rate from here? And then we can obviously layer on our own thoughts in terms of. Timing of synergies and the like, or are there things in the fourth quarter kind of coming in or out, just trying to see if that's the right kind of way to think about the core growth rate?
- Management
Yeah, thanks, Andrew, for the question. I'm glad you asked, because I just, I don't think it is, you know, we'll still be up a little bit higher in the fourth quarter than I would expect us to be at a run rate with that kind of a growth profile. And, you know, it might be a good opportunity. Just note a couple of calls ago, we talked about full year Chasm X. And while we had, you know, a lot of changes in capacity from 24 to 25 and 25 to 26, it's just it's important to note that legacy Allegiant Chasm. Next is still coming in for the full year 26, right in line with where we were in 2024. So the businesses that just really strong cost performance, notwithstanding changes in capacity. Next year. But then just a couple of nuances to point out there, we're still carrying pilot headcount and we have pilot wages stepping up at the beginning of next year. So there will be a little bit of pressure there as we grow into that headcount which won't be fully realized by the end of the first quarter. Great color.
- Management
Thanks for that.
- Management
And second one for Drew and I think I know the answer. to this given your you know reported load factors in your outlook here but just you know need to ask just given your all leisure you know have you seen any sort of demand elasticity at all like have you tested more off-peak flying to see if the demand. holds or any markets that are kind of meaningfully under underperforming or you know any call outs there would be helpful thank you yeah thanks andrew i mean it's a little hard on you know on a flight basis from from that kind of. experimentation right with with you know things moving so quickly um what i'd say is you know through through the month of september typically the you know the slowest part of the year uh we were high 90 percent of uh. of flights that that were cash positive um so even in that fuel environment uh thing things just really ripped um still want to be cautious into january and february and not kind of get over our ski tips um you know i think we saw maybe just hints of of some. demand elasticity um through like the halloween weekend uh but that that has shown signs of reversal as we get a little further into november so it feels more like a blip in the timing of halloween and election more than anything else um but. i mean all in all demand still looks incredible you know i commented on cash sales uh in in the remarks and and as long as cash coming in the door continues to outpace our forward c growth by by the rate it is i'm gonna continue to feel real bullish about the the demand.
- Operator
outlook going forward great thank you your next question comes from the line of chris thessalopoulos with susquehanna.
your line is open please go ahead hey good afternoon so going back to the earlier question on um uh if fuel prices do retreat here and and uh you being able to i guess flex up on capacity i think you mentioned to look at utilization so average block hours per aircraft day and perhaps on a two-year basis or what that might look like but there are a lot of moving pieces as you just commented to andrew's question around headcount so if that were to happen and you know it feels lower and it's kind of a mid to high single digit 2027 could you walk us through what needs to be done i guess on the headcount piece getting uh folks into the network sounds like you're able to fill the classes now but um want to hear your thoughts on pilots and crew if if fuel does move lower and of course capacity um moves to the higher end thanks i'm happy to to start off here and we'll look to the others to help fill in you know through through most of the year i think we have the the slack in in the schedule right now to be able to react and again going back to those shoulder periods uh going back to off peak such that that oil drops um you know to that extent um yeah i think there's even still uh some slack in the midweek during the peak periods as we think about raising our peak day and peak period profile you know that's going to come back a little bit to aircraft it's going to come back to headcount there's a lot of pieces that need to go into that
to be able to support so I do I feel pretty good about you know the vast majority of the schedule being able to be filled in without significant headcount need but you know yeah I just add Chris kind of more of a high level comment and that's that as we mentioned earlier we're going to plan for fuel to be higher we have flexibility built into our model naturally and we're going to stay disciplined and if we're able to as drew said if fuel comes down and in the shoulder or off peak periods there's an opportunity to take up utilization a little bit more we're going to do that but where we sit today we would rather take a more disciplined conservative approach on fuel and then we'll we'll react accordingly which we've done and it's a hallmark of our our model that flex capacity approach okay great and then as a follow-up on the induction of the max aircraft could you help us think about what utilization or ASMs per gallon might look like next year based on the current capacity plan thanks yeah yeah I would say with so in 26 what are we trending to about 86 ASMs per gallon there about I would think next year we could get that up to 88 maybe even closer to 90 and just depending on how you know what we're talking about in terms of capacity where that's at and how much is flown by the max aircraft but that's a good story beyond as well as we continue to take more max aircraft we would expect that fuel burn efficiency to continue to go up throughout the system and maybe just think about utilization right I mean these almost to a tail these are the high
highest utilized aircraft in our network you're already teasing a little bit of what I plan to talk about at the analyst day in December so I probably won't go into too much detail but but the opportunity for high utilization lines within a low utilization carrier exists and that will continue I think through the deliveries we see in 27 as we turn over a few extra bases to make sure that these things are flying. Okay, thank you.
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Your next question comes from the line of Dan McKenzie with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Question · Seaport Research Partners
Dan McKenzieAnalyst · Seaport Research PartnersHey, good afternoon, guys.
Congrats on the quarter here and the outlook. It would be great to go back to the operational challenges at Minneapolis. And I dropped off the call a bit, so please skip this question if you've already talked about this. But did you or or can you put some brackets around what the earnings impact was in the third quarter and then the impact here in the fourth quarter as well? You know, there's a pretty sharp pull down and fine that I'm guessing cost a lot of revenue. I'm just trying to get a sense of what that. noise is that goes away next year.
- Gregory AndersonChief Executive Officer and Director
Hey, Dan, it's Greg.
I don't know that we're going to go into the depth of what the impact was specifically from pulling down that flying. What I would just reiterate, though, is that demand in the Twin Cities remains. Really strong. And it's we're focused on adding capacity at the pace we can. And what I talked about earlier on the call is that staffing levels with our with our Sun Country pilots are still below. Where we'd like. We're working through that. And it's just a matter of time, I think, before we get managed through it. And our goal is to restore and grow capacity when we can, as soon as we can in the Twin Cities. And we see a lot of opportunities.
Yeah. Okay. And then, you know, going back to the earlier conversation around the 30% discount to an average, industry average fare, is that level of Is the level of that discount a deliberate strategy that you're targeting? Or is it just a trough period discount? And then just setting aside the first class product on the way, which is going to narrow that, but what is that right discount? And the reason I ask is that we've seen other sort of ultra low cost carriers over the years target a 25% discount, but I'm not sure that that's the right discount either. I'm just curious how we can sort of think about that discount over time. Well, I'll hit it at a high level. Drew can add, and to compare it to other low cost carriers, I would just push back on the flexible capacity. I think our Trazm is over 14 cents fourth quarter. It's going to be, you know. A record as well. So we have a higher Trazm that I think a lot of the low cost or typical or the traditional high ULCCs had as well. But what the point that I'm trying to get across with that statement is, Dan, is that the value proposition that we offer our customers. is convenience, it's affordability, and it's a great service in terms of operations. And we have a loyal customer base. Seventy percent of our customers are repeat customers. They love our service. They love what we're doing and we do it. And we provide that at affordable fares. We're fortunate to have the best cost structure in the industry because we're allowed and that provides us an opportunity to pass those savings on to our customers.
But in terms of any, I wouldn't view it as discounting. We're maximizing. We're driving revenues to where we think they should be. And we're doing that at an affordable price relative to the industry.
Okay. Well, thanks for that, you guys.
We've reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Sherry for closing remarks.
- SherryManagement
Thank you all for joining today's call. We hope to see you December 7th at our Investor Day here in Las Vegas.
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